Seventy school children without places in Southampton

Seventy school children without places

Seventy school children without places

First published in Education Salisbury Journal: Photograph of the Author by , Education Reporter

LESSONS return for thousands of Hampshire children today after the summer holidays – but 70 children in Southampton are starting the term without a place at school.

And an overcrowding crisis means more than 200 other Southampton children will this week begin their primary or secondary education at schools their parents did not choose.

Problems with the bursting-at-theseams system mean five per cent of the 2,900 city mums and dads who applied for reception places will be taking their little ones to schools that are further away or with worse reputations than the ones they wanted.

But council bosses say urgent work to create new school places around the city is having an impact, and has dramatically cut problems.

Last year, 75 Southampton children were left without a primary school to go to for up to two months after the start of term. A further 20 youngsters whose parents had submitted applications late had to wait until November to be allocated a spot.

This year, 42 reception age children have not got a place.

Some of their parents have said they will privately educate the youngsters, go outside the city, or have simply not responded to letters from the council.

Sixteen children whose parents turned down the council’s offer are in stalemate situation.

They were among the 145 applicants who were not allocated a reception spot at any of the three schools they asked for – but the rest accepted the council’s school choice.

Another 26 aged 5-7 have not yet got a place in Year 1 or 2 classes either, although Southampton City Council hopes places will quickly become available as term gets under way.

And two youngsters are still without a secondary school place because their parents rejected the Year 7 spots offered to them. They were among 57 parents unsuccessful with any of their three choices.

The council has increased the number of reception year places in the city to 3,030 for this term, as part of its work to create 3,000 new places at 20 primary schools in the next six years.

However, overcrowding meant just 82.1 per cent of applications in Southampton for this year saw parents given their first choice primary school.

That is compared to the situation in Hampshire, where 89.9 per cent of the more than 20,000 applicants were awarded first preferences. There are no children in the county who have not been allocated a place at all.

The county council has installed temporary classrooms at several schools to cope with increased pupil numbers, with the Department for Education last term reporting almost a quarter of county primaries – 101 of 426 – were running over capacity.

Hampshire’s education boss Cllr Roy Perry has demanded the Government gives more cash to help ease the crisis as more children reach school age.

Earlier this year, Hampshire County Council was handed £9.8m, and Southampton City Council £3.9m to spend adding classroom places.

Cllr Perry believes £200m is needed to create the equivalent of around 20 new primaries and two secondaries over the next decade to cope with demand from rising birth rates and people moving into the area.

Clive Webster, Director of Children’s Services and Learning, said: “For parents, few things are as important as securing a place for your child at a school of your choice.

“We work very hard with parents and schools to make this happen and, whilst guarantees are not possible, I am pleased that more parents than at any time previously receive a place of their choice.

“Given the unprecedented demand for places at Southampton schools, we are adding more primary places now, and this is not only in response to the growing number of children but also the increasingly high standards being delivered by schools in the city.

“The Cabinet is supporting the provision of extra places in order to satisfy demand for places in the cities increasingly excellent schools.”

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9:35am Mon 3 Sep 12

southy says...

One off the main problems that you see in a Americanise Education system, Want is needed is more smaller schools and zero super large schools.
One off the main problems that you see in a Americanise Education system, Want is needed is more smaller schools and zero super large schools. southy
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9:38am Mon 3 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?
Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..? Shoong
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10:04am Mon 3 Sep 12

tootle says...

Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.
Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes. tootle
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10:10am Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

tootle wrote:
Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.
I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess!
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.[/p][/quote]I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess! George4th
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10:22am Mon 3 Sep 12

Inform Al says...

George4th wrote:
tootle wrote:
Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.
I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess!
I can understand Cllr Thorpes wife's point of view now. The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton until recently so the shortage of places is down to them, not Labour who I do hold accountable for the increase in immigration nationally, but as C'moron will not consider a referendum on the EU the position would not have been better if we had a Tory gumment at that time. I wonder if it is possible to be 'inbred' into a political party?
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.[/p][/quote]I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess![/p][/quote]I can understand Cllr Thorpes wife's point of view now. The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton until recently so the shortage of places is down to them, not Labour who I do hold accountable for the increase in immigration nationally, but as C'moron will not consider a referendum on the EU the position would not have been better if we had a Tory gumment at that time. I wonder if it is possible to be 'inbred' into a political party? Inform Al
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10:27am Mon 3 Sep 12

sotonbusdriver says...

Despite the 10 yearly Census, The facts and figures of school places is not getting through to the people that matter,,,
Short sightness of the Education Dept and Councils in closing school, making Academies have left too few spaces.
Previous Governments cope with the baby boom years of the 60's in creating school spaces, but nowadays a population explosion, and no-one seems to bother about what will be need before it's all to late
Despite the 10 yearly Census, The facts and figures of school places is not getting through to the people that matter,,, Short sightness of the Education Dept and Councils in closing school, making Academies have left too few spaces. Previous Governments cope with the baby boom years of the 60's in creating school spaces, but nowadays a population explosion, and no-one seems to bother about what will be need before it's all to late sotonbusdriver
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11:18am Mon 3 Sep 12

tootle says...

Oh, they didn't that well cope in the '60s either. Remember one new school being cancelled and a couple of years later the old school having temporary classrooms added on. Baby booms always seem to catch LEAs on the back foot. Main difference between now and then seems to be that the old school had more playground space and parents were more accepting of temporary classrooms as suitable for their precious child to be taught in. The fact that there appeared to be no limits on class sizes(provided you could fit everybody in the classroom) must have helped too..
Oh, they didn't that well cope in the '60s either. Remember one new school being cancelled and a couple of years later the old school having temporary classrooms added on. Baby booms always seem to catch LEAs on the back foot. Main difference between now and then seems to be that the old school had more playground space and parents were more accepting of temporary classrooms as suitable for their precious child to be taught in. The fact that there appeared to be no limits on class sizes(provided you could fit everybody in the classroom) must have helped too.. tootle
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11:41am Mon 3 Sep 12

Kiwisaints says...

The British education system needs a good shake-up. We moved to new Zealand 5 years ago and can't believe how different the state education system is here. Your school zone has to take students and they build new classes if necessary. My daughters school has added 6 new classrooms in the time we have been here and now has 750 pupils. They also promise that be entrant classes have 15 students to give them the best start in school life. Other classes sizes are on a par with the uk but nice that new entrants are kept small. It shows as well. The writing that my daughter achieved compared
to my son that spent 5 years in a uk school is amazing.
Come on England get your act together!
The British education system needs a good shake-up. We moved to new Zealand 5 years ago and can't believe how different the state education system is here. Your school zone has to take students and they build new classes if necessary. My daughters school has added 6 new classrooms in the time we have been here and now has 750 pupils. They also promise that be entrant classes have 15 students to give them the best start in school life. Other classes sizes are on a par with the uk but nice that new entrants are kept small. It shows as well. The writing that my daughter achieved compared to my son that spent 5 years in a uk school is amazing. Come on England get your act together! Kiwisaints
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12:45pm Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

Inform Al wrote:
George4th wrote:
tootle wrote:
Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.
I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess!
I can understand Cllr Thorpes wife's point of view now. The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton until recently so the shortage of places is down to them, not Labour who I do hold accountable for the increase in immigration nationally, but as C'moron will not consider a referendum on the EU the position would not have been better if we had a Tory gumment at that time. I wonder if it is possible to be 'inbred' into a political party?
"The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton"

What kind of reality are you talking about?

With the Tories we had, for the first time in at least 25 years, a council that got things done, planned for the future, and gave our young hope. All this under the worst set of economic circumstances ever seen ( Created by Labour I might add).

We now have a Labour council who are in chaos, organised chaos at that! This council will drive our entrepreneurs, business minded people and our young and educated to leave and set up in a place where their talents are appreciated. This City will never ever be worthwhile until you get rid of Labour completely. Have a look around you - where are the best places to live and work? None of the answers will be with Labour councils!
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.[/p][/quote]I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess![/p][/quote]I can understand Cllr Thorpes wife's point of view now. The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton until recently so the shortage of places is down to them, not Labour who I do hold accountable for the increase in immigration nationally, but as C'moron will not consider a referendum on the EU the position would not have been better if we had a Tory gumment at that time. I wonder if it is possible to be 'inbred' into a political party?[/p][/quote]"The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton" What kind of reality are you talking about? With the Tories we had, for the first time in at least 25 years, a council that got things done, planned for the future, and gave our young hope. All this under the worst set of economic circumstances ever seen ( Created by Labour I might add). We now have a Labour council who are in chaos, organised chaos at that! This council will drive our entrepreneurs, business minded people and our young and educated to leave and set up in a place where their talents are appreciated. This City will never ever be worthwhile until you get rid of Labour completely. Have a look around you - where are the best places to live and work? None of the answers will be with Labour councils! George4th
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12:53pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Taskforce 141 says...

George4th wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
George4th wrote:
tootle wrote:
Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.
I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess!
I can understand Cllr Thorpes wife's point of view now. The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton until recently so the shortage of places is down to them, not Labour who I do hold accountable for the increase in immigration nationally, but as C'moron will not consider a referendum on the EU the position would not have been better if we had a Tory gumment at that time. I wonder if it is possible to be 'inbred' into a political party?
"The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton"

What kind of reality are you talking about?

With the Tories we had, for the first time in at least 25 years, a council that got things done, planned for the future, and gave our young hope. All this under the worst set of economic circumstances ever seen ( Created by Labour I might add).

We now have a Labour council who are in chaos, organised chaos at that! This council will drive our entrepreneurs, business minded people and our young and educated to leave and set up in a place where their talents are appreciated. This City will never ever be worthwhile until you get rid of Labour completely. Have a look around you - where are the best places to live and work? None of the answers will be with Labour councils!
Bahhhaahhaha.

I needed a good laugh, thanks for posting an utterly hilarious joke George 4th.

be careful what you write, some people may actually believe you mean what you are writing...
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.[/p][/quote]I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess![/p][/quote]I can understand Cllr Thorpes wife's point of view now. The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton until recently so the shortage of places is down to them, not Labour who I do hold accountable for the increase in immigration nationally, but as C'moron will not consider a referendum on the EU the position would not have been better if we had a Tory gumment at that time. I wonder if it is possible to be 'inbred' into a political party?[/p][/quote]"The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton" What kind of reality are you talking about? With the Tories we had, for the first time in at least 25 years, a council that got things done, planned for the future, and gave our young hope. All this under the worst set of economic circumstances ever seen ( Created by Labour I might add). We now have a Labour council who are in chaos, organised chaos at that! This council will drive our entrepreneurs, business minded people and our young and educated to leave and set up in a place where their talents are appreciated. This City will never ever be worthwhile until you get rid of Labour completely. Have a look around you - where are the best places to live and work? None of the answers will be with Labour councils![/p][/quote]Bahhhaahhaha. I needed a good laugh, thanks for posting an utterly hilarious joke George 4th. be careful what you write, some people may actually believe you mean what you are writing... Taskforce 141
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1:12pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Shoong says...

Taskforce 141 wrote:
George4th wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
George4th wrote:
tootle wrote:
Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.
I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess!
I can understand Cllr Thorpes wife's point of view now. The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton until recently so the shortage of places is down to them, not Labour who I do hold accountable for the increase in immigration nationally, but as C'moron will not consider a referendum on the EU the position would not have been better if we had a Tory gumment at that time. I wonder if it is possible to be 'inbred' into a political party?
"The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton"

What kind of reality are you talking about?

With the Tories we had, for the first time in at least 25 years, a council that got things done, planned for the future, and gave our young hope. All this under the worst set of economic circumstances ever seen ( Created by Labour I might add).

We now have a Labour council who are in chaos, organised chaos at that! This council will drive our entrepreneurs, business minded people and our young and educated to leave and set up in a place where their talents are appreciated. This City will never ever be worthwhile until you get rid of Labour completely. Have a look around you - where are the best places to live and work? None of the answers will be with Labour councils!
Bahhhaahhaha.

I needed a good laugh, thanks for posting an utterly hilarious joke George 4th.

be careful what you write, some people may actually believe you mean what you are writing...
A well thought out & insightful post, never mind, back to school on Wednesday is it?
[quote][p][bold]Taskforce 141[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Ah well, here we go again. It is not that long since the LEA was consulting on cutting primary school places, closing infant/junior and making smaller primaries because the pupil numbers had dramatically dropped and, cost-wise, keeping the spaces available was uneconomic. Well remember the profusion of portakabin classrooms when my brother went to school in the early '60s. School populations grow as they will and not always predictably. Not a lot changes.[/p][/quote]I think the last Labour government can accept total responsibility for the situation. Given the millions of people who came to this country during their tenure you would have thought that Labour would have planned for it! But hey, Labour's attitude is let's cause chaos while we're in power and then let the Tories pick our mess![/p][/quote]I can understand Cllr Thorpes wife's point of view now. The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton until recently so the shortage of places is down to them, not Labour who I do hold accountable for the increase in immigration nationally, but as C'moron will not consider a referendum on the EU the position would not have been better if we had a Tory gumment at that time. I wonder if it is possible to be 'inbred' into a political party?[/p][/quote]"The reality is that the Tories were ruining Southampton" What kind of reality are you talking about? With the Tories we had, for the first time in at least 25 years, a council that got things done, planned for the future, and gave our young hope. All this under the worst set of economic circumstances ever seen ( Created by Labour I might add). We now have a Labour council who are in chaos, organised chaos at that! This council will drive our entrepreneurs, business minded people and our young and educated to leave and set up in a place where their talents are appreciated. This City will never ever be worthwhile until you get rid of Labour completely. Have a look around you - where are the best places to live and work? None of the answers will be with Labour councils![/p][/quote]Bahhhaahhaha. I needed a good laugh, thanks for posting an utterly hilarious joke George 4th. be careful what you write, some people may actually believe you mean what you are writing...[/p][/quote]A well thought out & insightful post, never mind, back to school on Wednesday is it? Shoong
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1:25pm Mon 3 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?
Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?[/p][/quote]Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983. southy
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1:30pm Mon 3 Sep 12

elvisimo says...

Quite amazing that anyone really think there is any major difference between Labour and the conservatives.

Personalities may be different - Eaton v's Flat caps and whippets but they all follow the same route as there is not really any other choice. Britian is no longer a significant power and resources are finite.

The left and right died a death many years ago.

Now just chose what personality you like - do you go for, "just call me Dave" or some wet guy called "Ed" who looks like he was bullied when at school (probably by the other "Ed").

Alternatively, keep the blinkered views whilst throwing rocks at past conservative and labour governments -It would appear to be a popular way of filling some peoples day.

just saying......
Quite amazing that anyone really think there is any major difference between Labour and the conservatives. Personalities may be different - Eaton v's Flat caps and whippets but they all follow the same route as there is not really any other choice. Britian is no longer a significant power and resources are finite. The left and right died a death many years ago. Now just chose what personality you like - do you go for, "just call me Dave" or some wet guy called "Ed" who looks like he was bullied when at school (probably by the other "Ed"). Alternatively, keep the blinkered views whilst throwing rocks at past conservative and labour governments -It would appear to be a popular way of filling some peoples day. just saying...... elvisimo
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1:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?
Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983.
Hows about use your brain and explain exactly what you mean, otherwise we'll have to assume you've just been hovering over the DE homepage repeatedly hitting the F5 key just waiting for a new story to post some crud you believe to be true?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?[/p][/quote]Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983.[/p][/quote]Hows about use your brain and explain exactly what you mean, otherwise we'll have to assume you've just been hovering over the DE homepage repeatedly hitting the F5 key just waiting for a new story to post some crud you believe to be true? Shoong
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1:48pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?
Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983.
Hows about use your brain and explain exactly what you mean, otherwise we'll have to assume you've just been hovering over the DE homepage repeatedly hitting the F5 key just waiting for a new story to post some crud you believe to be true?
Rahit Maryada himself has quite clearly stated, in his document the Rahed Maryada, that UK schools are Americanise. Maybe you missed it, since you don't speak Sikh.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?[/p][/quote]Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983.[/p][/quote]Hows about use your brain and explain exactly what you mean, otherwise we'll have to assume you've just been hovering over the DE homepage repeatedly hitting the F5 key just waiting for a new story to post some crud you believe to be true?[/p][/quote]Rahit Maryada himself has quite clearly stated, in his document the Rahed Maryada, that UK schools are Americanise. Maybe you missed it, since you don't speak Sikh. Georgem
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1:52pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools. Paramjit Bahia
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1:59pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?
Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983.
Hows about use your brain and explain exactly what you mean, otherwise we'll have to assume you've just been hovering over the DE homepage repeatedly hitting the F5 key just waiting for a new story to post some crud you believe to be true?
Rahit Maryada himself has quite clearly stated, in his document the Rahed Maryada, that UK schools are Americanise. Maybe you missed it, since you don't speak Sikh.
That is the best comment...few more please
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?[/p][/quote]Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983.[/p][/quote]Hows about use your brain and explain exactly what you mean, otherwise we'll have to assume you've just been hovering over the DE homepage repeatedly hitting the F5 key just waiting for a new story to post some crud you believe to be true?[/p][/quote]Rahit Maryada himself has quite clearly stated, in his document the Rahed Maryada, that UK schools are Americanise. Maybe you missed it, since you don't speak Sikh.[/p][/quote]That is the best comment...few more please Paramjit Bahia
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2:03pm Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

"some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe" :-)

If Cllr Thorpe is an example of our Labout Councillors then heaven help us!
"some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe" :-) If Cllr Thorpe is an example of our Labout Councillors then heaven help us! George4th
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2:05pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Georgem says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?
Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983.
Hows about use your brain and explain exactly what you mean, otherwise we'll have to assume you've just been hovering over the DE homepage repeatedly hitting the F5 key just waiting for a new story to post some crud you believe to be true?
Rahit Maryada himself has quite clearly stated, in his document the Rahed Maryada, that UK schools are Americanise. Maybe you missed it, since you don't speak Sikh.
That is the best comment...few more please
I wouldn't want to spoil you, PB :)
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: Disregarding the fact your probably talking complete roll0cks for a moment, please explain who our education system is 'Americanised' and then explain how to achieve smaller schools and zero 'super' schools..?[/p][/quote]Try and use your brain for once, Academies are American type super large schools, this country as slowly been americanise since the 1983.[/p][/quote]Hows about use your brain and explain exactly what you mean, otherwise we'll have to assume you've just been hovering over the DE homepage repeatedly hitting the F5 key just waiting for a new story to post some crud you believe to be true?[/p][/quote]Rahit Maryada himself has quite clearly stated, in his document the Rahed Maryada, that UK schools are Americanise. Maybe you missed it, since you don't speak Sikh.[/p][/quote]That is the best comment...few more please[/p][/quote]I wouldn't want to spoil you, PB :) Georgem
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2:06pm Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies.
One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum.

I think this might have something to do with the problem!
2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies. One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum. I think this might have something to do with the problem! George4th
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2:06pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs. Des Olated
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2:07pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

elvisimo wrote:
Quite amazing that anyone really think there is any major difference between Labour and the conservatives.

Personalities may be different - Eaton v's Flat caps and whippets but they all follow the same route as there is not really any other choice. Britian is no longer a significant power and resources are finite.

The left and right died a death many years ago.

Now just chose what personality you like - do you go for, "just call me Dave" or some wet guy called "Ed" who looks like he was bullied when at school (probably by the other "Ed").

Alternatively, keep the blinkered views whilst throwing rocks at past conservative and labour governments -It would appear to be a popular way of filling some peoples day.

just saying......
Hope you won't mind bit of correction.

There was difference between 'LABOUR' and Conservatives, but 'New Labour' and Tories are two sides of the same coin.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: Quite amazing that anyone really think there is any major difference between Labour and the conservatives. Personalities may be different - Eaton v's Flat caps and whippets but they all follow the same route as there is not really any other choice. Britian is no longer a significant power and resources are finite. The left and right died a death many years ago. Now just chose what personality you like - do you go for, "just call me Dave" or some wet guy called "Ed" who looks like he was bullied when at school (probably by the other "Ed"). Alternatively, keep the blinkered views whilst throwing rocks at past conservative and labour governments -It would appear to be a popular way of filling some peoples day. just saying......[/p][/quote]Hope you won't mind bit of correction. There was difference between 'LABOUR' and Conservatives, but 'New Labour' and Tories are two sides of the same coin. Paramjit Bahia
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2:17pm Mon 3 Sep 12

MGRA says...

there are free places in nearby Hampshire LEA schools... there... solved !
there are free places in nearby Hampshire LEA schools... there... solved ! MGRA
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2:17pm Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
[quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us................. George4th
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2:31pm Mon 3 Sep 12

sarfhamton says...

If you want to know what turns people off from politics then look no further than the mudslinging on here.

As for the earlier post about Eastern European's, then if they are are paying tax and council tax then they deserve a place in a local school for their kids.
If you want to know what turns people off from politics then look no further than the mudslinging on here. As for the earlier post about Eastern European's, then if they are are paying tax and council tax then they deserve a place in a local school for their kids. sarfhamton
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2:34pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Des Olated says...

George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
I agree, although a government with ba!!s and perseverance could have made the changes, none have, hence we are where we are.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]I agree, although a government with ba!!s and perseverance could have made the changes, none have, hence we are where we are. Des Olated
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2:49pm Mon 3 Sep 12

southy says...

George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing. southy
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2:49pm Mon 3 Sep 12

mtdiablo says...

2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies.
One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum.

I think this might have something to do with the problem!”


What, George4th, is the problem?
2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies. One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum. I think this might have something to do with the problem!” What, George4th, is the problem? mtdiablo
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2:57pm Mon 3 Sep 12

southy says...

mtdiablo wrote:
2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies.
One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum.

I think this might have something to do with the problem!”


What, George4th, is the problem?
Also George4th Gramma schools was still going up till the 80's, that was till Thatcher made big changes.
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: 2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies. One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum. I think this might have something to do with the problem!” What, George4th, is the problem?[/p][/quote]Also George4th Gramma schools was still going up till the 80's, that was till Thatcher made big changes. southy
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2:59pm Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

mtdiablo wrote:
2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies.
One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum.

I think this might have something to do with the problem!”


What, George4th, is the problem?
Children without places..............
..........
[quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: 2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies. One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum. I think this might have something to do with the problem!” What, George4th, is the problem?[/p][/quote]Children without places.............. .......... George4th
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3:01pm Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.
So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.[/p][/quote]So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!! George4th
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3:01pm Mon 3 Sep 12

southy says...

George4th wrote:
mtdiablo wrote:
2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies.
One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum.

I think this might have something to do with the problem!”


What, George4th, is the problem?
Children without places..............

..........
Well George4th its what you wanted and who you put in power that cause the damage
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: 2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies. One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum. I think this might have something to do with the problem!” What, George4th, is the problem?[/p][/quote]Children without places.............. ..........[/p][/quote]Well George4th its what you wanted and who you put in power that cause the damage southy
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3:04pm Mon 3 Sep 12

southy says...

George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.
So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!!
Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national.
Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.[/p][/quote]So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!![/p][/quote]Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national. Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing. southy
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3:07pm Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

southy wrote:
mtdiablo wrote:
2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies.
One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum.

I think this might have something to do with the problem!”


What, George4th, is the problem?
Also George4th Gramma schools was still going up till the 80's, that was till Thatcher made big changes.
"Gramma schools was still going up till the 80's, that was till Thatcher made big changes."
Don't you just love leaving things in the air! That statement is as meaningful as that of Cllr Thorpe's wife!
>
The thing that baffles me is that you can see that Private Schools produce the right results with the methods that they use so why don't the State schools mirror the methods?!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: 2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies. One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum. I think this might have something to do with the problem!” What, George4th, is the problem?[/p][/quote]Also George4th Gramma schools was still going up till the 80's, that was till Thatcher made big changes.[/p][/quote]"Gramma schools was still going up till the 80's, that was till Thatcher made big changes." Don't you just love leaving things in the air! That statement is as meaningful as that of Cllr Thorpe's wife! > The thing that baffles me is that you can see that Private Schools produce the right results with the methods that they use so why don't the State schools mirror the methods?! George4th
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3:12pm Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.
So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!!
Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national.
Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.
Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied..............

Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.[/p][/quote]So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!![/p][/quote]Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national. Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.[/p][/quote]Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied.............. Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance. George4th
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3:12pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
mtdiablo wrote:
2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies.
One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum.

I think this might have something to do with the problem!”


What, George4th, is the problem?
Also George4th Gramma schools was still going up till the 80's, that was till Thatcher made big changes.
Wasn't the 1945 Education Act responsible for the 'Tripartite System' which began the funding for state grammar schools, written by a Conservative and endorsed by Winston Churchill himself?

Was it not Anthony Crosland who became Secretary of State for Labour after they had won the 1965 election who said '"If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every last ******* grammar school in England. And Wales. And Northern Ireland."

Was it not one of the new 1974 Labour governments first few acts to introduce Circular 4/74, reiterating Labour's intention to continue with Comprehensivisation.
.?

Hmmm...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mtdiablo[/bold] wrote: 2.1million people came to the UK from abroad between 2001 and 2011 due to Labour’s disastrous migration policies. One in four babies now has a non-UK born mum. I think this might have something to do with the problem!” What, George4th, is the problem?[/p][/quote]Also George4th Gramma schools was still going up till the 80's, that was till Thatcher made big changes.[/p][/quote]Wasn't the 1945 Education Act responsible for the 'Tripartite System' which began the funding for state grammar schools, written by a Conservative and endorsed by Winston Churchill himself? Was it not Anthony Crosland who became Secretary of State for Labour after they had won the 1965 election who said '"If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every last ******* grammar school in England. And Wales. And Northern Ireland." Was it not one of the new 1974 Labour governments first few acts to introduce Circular 4/74, reiterating Labour's intention to continue with Comprehensivisation. .? Hmmm... Shoong
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3:35pm Mon 3 Sep 12

southy says...

George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.
So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!!
Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national.
Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.
Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied..............

Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.
Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools.

Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's.
If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.[/p][/quote]So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!![/p][/quote]Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national. Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.[/p][/quote]Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied.............. Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.[/p][/quote]Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools. Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's. If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school. southy
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3:39pm Mon 3 Sep 12

George4th says...

southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.
So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!!
Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national.
Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.
Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied..............

Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.
Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools.

Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's.
If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school.
What a load of baloney! I give up!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.[/p][/quote]So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!![/p][/quote]Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national. Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.[/p][/quote]Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied.............. Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.[/p][/quote]Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools. Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's. If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school.[/p][/quote]What a load of baloney! I give up! George4th
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3:40pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.
So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!!
Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national.
Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.
Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied..............

Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.
Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools.

Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's.
If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school.
Southy, at some point you're going to have to explain what "American style school" means.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.[/p][/quote]So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!![/p][/quote]Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national. Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.[/p][/quote]Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied.............. Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.[/p][/quote]Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools. Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's. If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school.[/p][/quote]Southy, at some point you're going to have to explain what "American style school" means. Georgem
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3:41pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.
So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!!
Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national.
Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.
Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied..............

Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.
Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools.

Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's.
If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school.
Utter tripe.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.[/p][/quote]So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!![/p][/quote]Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national. Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.[/p][/quote]Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied.............. Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.[/p][/quote]Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools. Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's. If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school.[/p][/quote]Utter tripe. Shoong
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1:50am Tue 4 Sep 12

Poppy22 says...

Surely, with all the reported truancy of even primary school children, schools could just oversubscribe then see which pupils turn up each day .....
Or, more seriously, why are our local councils continuing to bring in more people from outside the area by planning for even more buildings of both homes and businesses when we dont have the infrastructures to support existing numbers????
Surely, with all the reported truancy of even primary school children, schools could just oversubscribe then see which pupils turn up each day ..... Or, more seriously, why are our local councils continuing to bring in more people from outside the area by planning for even more buildings of both homes and businesses when we dont have the infrastructures to support existing numbers???? Poppy22
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11:52am Tue 4 Sep 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
Des Olated wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers.

Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little.

Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government.

So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education.

Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.
Good post Paramjit.
Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK.
Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.
The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy!
>
The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children.
>
Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................
Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.
So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!!
Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national.
Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.
Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied..............

Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.
Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools.

Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's.
If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school.
Utter tripe.
Not tripe at all that what was happening in the 60's and 70's
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Des Olated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: It is difficult to blame any single political party for the state of our schools or for shortage of places. Main problem is attitude of most of our political class and power of over paid pen pushers. Over decades most politicians have delivered plenty of nice sounding sound bites about education BUT at best have done very little. Rather than applying their own brains (Yes whatever some of us may think, there actually are few around with properly working brains in all parties, some may be arrogant and thick like the wife of Cllr. Thorpe but not all are similar) they listen too much to over paid under worked fat cats in local government. So hardly surprising priorities are wrong. Over the years many schools were sold for asset striping. Then last NuLabour government encouraged implementation of Tory ideas of academies or super schools. Encouraging commercialisation of education. Rather than wasting money on wars, bailing out failed enterprises, keep on donating to corrupt EU and slush funds covered under seductive sounding heading 'foreign aid' etc etc our governments should learn from places like New Zealand and start building local authority run schools.[/p][/quote]Good post Paramjit. Bearing in mind the children are the future not investing sufficient money in their schooling at all levels is a disgrace and to the detriment of the UK. Still, while folk continually blame the other political party for the mess inaction triumphs.[/p][/quote]The Left Wing has controlled Education since the 60s! No political party had a hope of implementing their own Education Policy! > The worst crime ever committed in Education was to take away the opportunity for the poor to better themselves with a Grammar School education. In one foul swoop they killed off the aspirations of many poor children. > Education will continue to decline while controlled outside of government. The Rest of the World is racing ahead of us.................[/p][/quote]Left wing had no say in matters since mid 80's, The Right Wing have been dictating to us since then and have controlled every thing.[/p][/quote]So, you're telling me that all the Teaching Unions are now Right Wing?!![/p][/quote]Teaching Union do not have a say in how and what is taught in schools that is down to the government local and national. Also Teachers unions are more likely to be middle of the road to being right wing.[/p][/quote]Input by the Education establishment is still Left Wing biased (Originates from Liverpool University in the 60s) and is backed up by Left Wing Union input - the government has its hands tied.............. Education in this country has been in decline for 40 years. It is the poor and the less gifted who pay the price of poor Educational Methods, Policy and Guidance.[/p][/quote]Your wrong Education as been in the hands of Right wing for a good 25 years there abouts. and its only been the right wing thats being having the say, if left wing had any say in the matter you would not get cuts nore would you get these big american stlye schools. Is that why that the USA was coming over to the UK back in the 60's and 70's looking for col/uni school leavers to go to the states and work there in all fields that sort of came to an end in the early 90's. If you had good in standard or queen english then you tend to go to grammar school, if you was good at the sciences you tend to go to comperhensive school.[/p][/quote]Utter tripe.[/p][/quote]Not tripe at all that what was happening in the 60's and 70's southy
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12:15pm Tue 4 Sep 12

southy says...

Georgem
Academies are an Americanise Schools.
Larger schools and fewer smaller schools. you will end up for a city the size of Southampton with 3 or 4 Schools only.
Sports will suffer because of these Americanise schools, less kids will be able to take part in school teams, and there will be less competion in sports, all so have you though about when a busines go's bust, or not making any gains from it or decides to pull out of education, what happens to the school or the kids education
Georgem Academies are an Americanise Schools. Larger schools and fewer smaller schools. you will end up for a city the size of Southampton with 3 or 4 Schools only. Sports will suffer because of these Americanise schools, less kids will be able to take part in school teams, and there will be less competion in sports, all so have you though about when a busines go's bust, or not making any gains from it or decides to pull out of education, what happens to the school or the kids education southy
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3:48pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Georgem
Academies are an Americanise Schools.
Larger schools and fewer smaller schools. you will end up for a city the size of Southampton with 3 or 4 Schools only.
Sports will suffer because of these Americanise schools, less kids will be able to take part in school teams, and there will be less competion in sports, all so have you though about when a busines go's bust, or not making any gains from it or decides to pull out of education, what happens to the school or the kids education
Still going back to older articles just to get the last word in then..? Oh dear.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Georgem Academies are an Americanise Schools. Larger schools and fewer smaller schools. you will end up for a city the size of Southampton with 3 or 4 Schools only. Sports will suffer because of these Americanise schools, less kids will be able to take part in school teams, and there will be less competion in sports, all so have you though about when a busines go's bust, or not making any gains from it or decides to pull out of education, what happens to the school or the kids education[/p][/quote]Still going back to older articles just to get the last word in then..? Oh dear. Shoong
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7:23pm Tue 4 Sep 12

wilson castaway says...

I am in this situation at the moment.My local school is full and the nearest primary school with space is over 2 miles away.School allocation dept at the council are a complete shambles.They have lost records of my children and when I phone to query something the person taking the call does not know anything and has to go find someone with knowledge.In the end im told to email my question or query.I was told on the phone that Southampton has had an influx of people,be they eastern europeans or somalians, whoever with children 5 and 6 years old.It seems that they get priority with allocation of school places over people who have.lived in the community for years.Thats not racism, its true.
I am in this situation at the moment.My local school is full and the nearest primary school with space is over 2 miles away.School allocation dept at the council are a complete shambles.They have lost records of my children and when I phone to query something the person taking the call does not know anything and has to go find someone with knowledge.In the end im told to email my question or query.I was told on the phone that Southampton has had an influx of people,be they eastern europeans or somalians, whoever with children 5 and 6 years old.It seems that they get priority with allocation of school places over people who have.lived in the community for years.Thats not racism, its true. wilson castaway
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11:39pm Tue 4 Sep 12

BillyTheKid says...

My opinion is that the problem with education is that it is managed by government. A party is voted into power, and they pull the existing system bits, and begin new initiatives. So many years later, just as the new system is beginning to work, a different party is voted in, and they pull the system apart again. And so it goes on and on, with no fully working system ever getting established, before it is thrown out and something new started.

Take education away from the politicians. Let the universities manage it, where a solid foundation can be established that has a longterm future.
My opinion is that the problem with education is that it is managed by government. A party is voted into power, and they pull the existing system bits, and begin new initiatives. So many years later, just as the new system is beginning to work, a different party is voted in, and they pull the system apart again. And so it goes on and on, with no fully working system ever getting established, before it is thrown out and something new started. Take education away from the politicians. Let the universities manage it, where a solid foundation can be established that has a longterm future. BillyTheKid
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9:09am Wed 5 Sep 12

tootle says...

The problem here is lack of school places. Sometime ago a long standing council member was noticed musing in public(either Echo or TV I can't remember) about whether anybody had thought about where the children would go to school when new homes were built on the OS site. I felt that maybe, just maybe she, as a longstanding councillor, should have thought and queried this before the site was given over to housing.
The problem here is lack of school places. Sometime ago a long standing council member was noticed musing in public(either Echo or TV I can't remember) about whether anybody had thought about where the children would go to school when new homes were built on the OS site. I felt that maybe, just maybe she, as a longstanding councillor, should have thought and queried this before the site was given over to housing. tootle
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8:59pm Thu 6 Sep 12

AD1974 says...

I'm assuming the government expected all the Eastern Europeans to leave in the recession. But they stayed!
Also it doesn't matter what nationality you are or how new to an area you are. What matters is where you live. Admission starts at the school gate and moves out until the school is full.
I'm assuming the government expected all the Eastern Europeans to leave in the recession. But they stayed! Also it doesn't matter what nationality you are or how new to an area you are. What matters is where you live. Admission starts at the school gate and moves out until the school is full. AD1974
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