Review of boundaries

First published in Letters

I HAVE worked with Cllr Ian McLennan for many years on local issues and he has proved to be a most able and hard working county councillor.

It is therefore unfortunate that my statement to SCC Full Council has been taken out of context (Postbag, February 6).

If he had been at the meeting he would have heard the budgetary discussion during which there was no mention of 'rob the neighbours' nor indeed any indication of inflicting 'the city budgetary dilemmas on the surrounding villages' among other misleading suggestions he made.

Cllr McLennan is a unitary councillor but wrote as if he was a Laverstock & Ford Parish councillor.

As a Wiltshire councillor he will be well aware that last year Wiltshire Council commenced a community governance review for five major Wiltshire towns including the city of Salisbury; there is a WC meeting on this very subject on February 25.

The review will determine whether the parish boundaries are still fit for purpose, taking into account major housing growth in Wiltshire – in particular the boundary of Laverstock & Ford Parish which was laid down at the end of the 19th century.

My own city ward is cut by this archaic parish boundary with the result that, although I live in Salisbury, I pay my precept to Laverstock & Ford.

Coming to the end of my first year as a city councillor I now have a much better understanding of Salisbury and what the city council provides for local residents.

I can also see that it is unfair that I am paying the 'village' precept although getting all the benefits of the city that my neighbours are actually paying for.

The governance review will take an independent view of the parish boundaries and invite informed comment. I look forward to the debate in the proper forum in due course.

Cllr Colin Froude, Salisbury City Councillor, St Mark’s and Bishopdown

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12:18pm Thu 20 Feb 14

gingin says...

Village residents who surround the City in other parishes pay whatever their precept is. Does that mean all other parishes should either pay the same as Salisbury City, shop elsewhere so they don't use the facilities or be consumed into the City boundary and give up their own parish status?

Those who live in Laverstock and other villages choose to do so and do not wish to live in a city. When they shop in Salisbury they contribute to the city economy. The City owns the Guildhall, the Crematorium and a couple of car parks the rest is either owned or managed by Wiltshire Council. It was stated that if the Guildhall was used it is payed for with a hire fee and when the Crematorium is used the fee is also payed for. If any SCC car parks are used they are also payed for at that moment.

People choose where to shop, where to visit be thankful Salisbury has plenty of tourists using the facilities. It's not up to one Parish Council to try and make decisions for other Parishes and to think they can engulf it and dictate how much council tax they should pay.

SCC are in debt the suggestion is put your own house in order first before trying to tell others what to do! When the fireworks and Christmas proceedings are taking place does the City Parish Council think that everyone visiting Salisbury at that time should then belong to the City as after all they have just enjoyed the spectacle. Lots of people enjoy events in other Towns and Cities but are not expected to pay as they enter the place and pay towards it.

The one thing that is forgotten here is that Salisbury is now run by a Parish Council not a District Council anymore and has no more influence or power than any other parish you would do well to remember that fact.
Village residents who surround the City in other parishes pay whatever their precept is. Does that mean all other parishes should either pay the same as Salisbury City, shop elsewhere so they don't use the facilities or be consumed into the City boundary and give up their own parish status? Those who live in Laverstock and other villages choose to do so and do not wish to live in a city. When they shop in Salisbury they contribute to the city economy. The City owns the Guildhall, the Crematorium and a couple of car parks the rest is either owned or managed by Wiltshire Council. It was stated that if the Guildhall was used it is payed for with a hire fee and when the Crematorium is used the fee is also payed for. If any SCC car parks are used they are also payed for at that moment. People choose where to shop, where to visit be thankful Salisbury has plenty of tourists using the facilities. It's not up to one Parish Council to try and make decisions for other Parishes and to think they can engulf it and dictate how much council tax they should pay. SCC are in debt the suggestion is put your own house in order first before trying to tell others what to do! When the fireworks and Christmas proceedings are taking place does the City Parish Council think that everyone visiting Salisbury at that time should then belong to the City as after all they have just enjoyed the spectacle. Lots of people enjoy events in other Towns and Cities but are not expected to pay as they enter the place and pay towards it. The one thing that is forgotten here is that Salisbury is now run by a Parish Council not a District Council anymore and has no more influence or power than any other parish you would do well to remember that fact. gingin
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1:22pm Thu 20 Feb 14

IanMcL says...

Colin - appreciate the response. However, you appear to have lost your way - or live in the wrong home!

You do not live in Salisbury....you live near Salisbury on land which was a farm, outside of Salisbury.

I state that because you are lucky enough to have a non political parish Council unlike Salisbury. They worked hard to communicate with all residents and produced a validated Parish Plan.

Residents number one 'like' was having their own parish council. They also like the parish newsletter, which gets delivered to every household six times a year and is full of local goings on - as you know, because you write in it.

I have been a District Councillor and now Wiltshire Unitary Councillor. Throughout, I reflect the views of the residents. These are overwhelmingly, "Create a green buffer between us and Salisbury". "Near not in" and "acquire land for public green space".

These are the rural aims of our parish. As a result, the city residents flock to our ever increasing green spaces and enjoy them. It's worked since 1894, just leave it alone and be grateful the parish exists.
Colin - appreciate the response. However, you appear to have lost your way - or live in the wrong home! You do not live in Salisbury....you live near Salisbury on land which was a farm, outside of Salisbury. I state that because you are lucky enough to have a non political parish Council unlike Salisbury. They worked hard to communicate with all residents and produced a validated Parish Plan. Residents number one 'like' was having their own parish council. They also like the parish newsletter, which gets delivered to every household six times a year and is full of local goings on - as you know, because you write in it. I have been a District Councillor and now Wiltshire Unitary Councillor. Throughout, I reflect the views of the residents. These are overwhelmingly, "Create a green buffer between us and Salisbury". "Near not in" and "acquire land for public green space". These are the rural aims of our parish. As a result, the city residents flock to our ever increasing green spaces and enjoy them. It's worked since 1894, just leave it alone and be grateful the parish exists. IanMcL
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3:48pm Thu 20 Feb 14

karlmarx says...

Excuse me?
"The review will determine whether the parish boundaries are still fit for purpose, taking into account major housing growth in Wiltshire – in particular the boundary of Laverstock & Ford Parish which was laid down at the end of the 19th century."

'Whether the parish boundaries are still fit for purpose, taking into account major housing growth in Wiltshire'

I had to read that a number of times to make certain I hadn't misread it. I would have thought that in the 21st century, taking into account the major housing growth in Wiltshire one of the main priorities would be the transport infrastructure which must include roads that are fit for purpose, instead of debating whether boundary lines drawn on maps are still 'fit for purpose'. Hands up all those who think the roads in Salisbury are fit for purpose... any one? Anybody at all?
Excuse me? "The review will determine whether the parish boundaries are still fit for purpose, taking into account major housing growth in Wiltshire – in particular the boundary of Laverstock & Ford Parish which was laid down at the end of the 19th century." 'Whether the parish boundaries are still fit for purpose, taking into account major housing growth in Wiltshire' I had to read that a number of times to make certain I hadn't misread it. I would have thought that in the 21st century, taking into account the major housing growth in Wiltshire one of the main priorities would be the transport infrastructure which must include roads that are fit for purpose, instead of debating whether boundary lines drawn on maps are still 'fit for purpose'. Hands up all those who think the roads in Salisbury are fit for purpose... any one? Anybody at all? karlmarx
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5:12pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Sustainer says...

This issue will rightly generate a huge amount of debate and consultation which will, I would hope, be conducted in an honest and informed manner.
Why have a review, how it is to be conducted and what happens to the recommendations is laid out in the Guidance Paper at:

https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/uploads/sy
stem/uploads/attachm
ent_data/file/8312/1
527635.pdf

Gingin is right when he says “It's not up to one Parish Council to try and make decisions for other Parishes and to think they can engulf it and dictate how much council tax they should pay.” But as I read it that is not what Cllr Froude is advocating because he says quite clearly “The governance review will take an independent view of the parish boundaries and invite informed comment. I look forward to the debate in the proper forum in due course.” He has certainly not said Salisbury City Council will decide.
Perhaps I may also be allowed to debunk another statement on this thread. SCC is NOT in debt and it never has been. To suggest otherwise is simply not true.
This issue will rightly generate a huge amount of debate and consultation which will, I would hope, be conducted in an honest and informed manner. Why have a review, how it is to be conducted and what happens to the recommendations is laid out in the Guidance Paper at: https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/uploads/sy stem/uploads/attachm ent_data/file/8312/1 527635.pdf Gingin is right when he says “It's not up to one Parish Council to try and make decisions for other Parishes and to think they can engulf it and dictate how much council tax they should pay.” But as I read it that is not what Cllr Froude is advocating because he says quite clearly “The governance review will take an independent view of the parish boundaries and invite informed comment. I look forward to the debate in the proper forum in due course.” He has certainly not said Salisbury City Council will decide. Perhaps I may also be allowed to debunk another statement on this thread. SCC is NOT in debt and it never has been. To suggest otherwise is simply not true. Sustainer
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