Market Place refurb a waste of money

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HAVING watched with growing frustration the vast amount of taxpayers’ money wasted on the Market Place 'refurbishment', I was bemused to see that on every occasion I visited on market days the expensively marked Footpath 66 was obscured by several market stalls straddling the 'footlights'.

Nick Beeton, Salisbury

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10:29pm Wed 26 Feb 14

winterslow says...

Probably best if you got a life Nick.
Probably best if you got a life Nick. winterslow
  • Score: 0

9:08pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

If anyone is interested I have a copy of the court papers from the last time the council was taken to court over obstructing footpath 66 !
If anyone is interested I have a copy of the court papers from the last time the council was taken to court over obstructing footpath 66 ! Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 4

9:22pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Schoolmum999 says...

winterslow wrote:
Probably best if you got a life Nick.
Very poor show, resulting to insults.
[quote][p][bold]winterslow[/bold] wrote: Probably best if you got a life Nick.[/p][/quote]Very poor show, resulting to insults. Schoolmum999
  • Score: -2

7:14am Fri 28 Feb 14

Richard Clewer says...

I will make sure that the City Council (who run the market and events on the Market Place) are informed.
I will make sure that the City Council (who run the market and events on the Market Place) are informed. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 11

1:39pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Amesbury Fanatic says...

winterslow is right get a life. The market square looks alot better, if market holders dont like it get a proper job
winterslow is right get a life. The market square looks alot better, if market holders dont like it get a proper job Amesbury Fanatic
  • Score: 3

10:52pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Schoolmum999 says...

Amesbury Fanatic wrote:
winterslow is right get a life. The market square looks alot better, if market holders dont like it get a proper job
More insults and now insulting market traders too. Very very poor! You should show more respect and if you don't agree, make an argument to the contrary. If you are able that is.
[quote][p][bold]Amesbury Fanatic[/bold] wrote: winterslow is right get a life. The market square looks alot better, if market holders dont like it get a proper job[/p][/quote]More insults and now insulting market traders too. Very very poor! You should show more respect and if you don't agree, make an argument to the contrary. If you are able that is. Schoolmum999
  • Score: -10

11:39am Wed 5 Mar 14

DomImms says...

I personally have never noticed market traders infringing on the path across the square. I walk across it at least 4 times a day six days a week. Perhaps I'm not looking out for it though.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion and it great people share. I personally think the market square will prove to be a good investment in times to come. I also think in the grand scheme of things that it's a drop in the ocean in terms of tax payers money compared to other expenditure locally and nationally.

I note with interest that when improvements are offered to this city there ways seems to be a great deal of negativity. Recent examples such as leave Tesco's alone because it's just been refitted and what a waste of money the park and ride is, demonstrate a lack of vision. Locals may not directly feel the benefit of a new Tesco with a hotel attached, or a park and ride they don't want to use and even a smart looking market square that isn't a shrine to automobile parking, but visitors certainly will. The impact of which will be felt in the leisure and tourism industry which directly employs an awful lot of people in the area. With 80% of high street leases up for renewal by 2019 nationally, the high street and city centres will need to adapt rapidly. I personally believe this will involve a great deal of retail leisure as high street chains beat a retreat to out of town shopping parks. Without the vision to facilitate this new type of role for the high street through improvement of public spaces and investment by private companies in hotels etc the city centre will be facing grim times and Salisbury will suffer as a result. Just my view as a local and as a local businessman.
I personally have never noticed market traders infringing on the path across the square. I walk across it at least 4 times a day six days a week. Perhaps I'm not looking out for it though. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and it great people share. I personally think the market square will prove to be a good investment in times to come. I also think in the grand scheme of things that it's a drop in the ocean in terms of tax payers money compared to other expenditure locally and nationally. I note with interest that when improvements are offered to this city there ways seems to be a great deal of negativity. Recent examples such as leave Tesco's alone because it's just been refitted and what a waste of money the park and ride is, demonstrate a lack of vision. Locals may not directly feel the benefit of a new Tesco with a hotel attached, or a park and ride they don't want to use and even a smart looking market square that isn't a shrine to automobile parking, but visitors certainly will. The impact of which will be felt in the leisure and tourism industry which directly employs an awful lot of people in the area. With 80% of high street leases up for renewal by 2019 nationally, the high street and city centres will need to adapt rapidly. I personally believe this will involve a great deal of retail leisure as high street chains beat a retreat to out of town shopping parks. Without the vision to facilitate this new type of role for the high street through improvement of public spaces and investment by private companies in hotels etc the city centre will be facing grim times and Salisbury will suffer as a result. Just my view as a local and as a local businessman. DomImms
  • Score: 2

12:04pm Wed 5 Mar 14

karlmarx says...

The park and ride gets a negative image due to the fact that it is costing the local taxpayer on average £1 million a year to prop it up. This £1 million could be put to good use instead of cutting services.
The £3 million it has cost to resurface the Market square came from the UK taxpayer as well (unless the 'coalition' have a secret orchard of money trees somewhere) Again, I feel uneasy about large sums of money that could be put to good use instead of cutting services.
Question? What are the gouges, grooves and scratch marks on the surface of the Chinese paving slabs for? They weren't there when the slabs were first laid and, they're certainly not caused by rubber tyres. That said the square looks great when full but, like a giant DIY store patio prairie when empty, devoid of any character or features.
The park and ride gets a negative image due to the fact that it is costing the local taxpayer on average £1 million a year to prop it up. This £1 million could be put to good use instead of cutting services. The £3 million it has cost to resurface the Market square came from the UK taxpayer as well (unless the 'coalition' have a secret orchard of money trees somewhere) Again, I feel uneasy about large sums of money that could be put to good use instead of cutting services. Question? What are the gouges, grooves and scratch marks on the surface of the Chinese paving slabs for? They weren't there when the slabs were first laid and, they're certainly not caused by rubber tyres. That said the square looks great when full but, like a giant DIY store patio prairie when empty, devoid of any character or features. karlmarx
  • Score: -2

12:27pm Wed 5 Mar 14

karlmarx says...

The majority of local residents do not need to stay in local hotels in Salisbury and, due to the high cost of parking, will in fact shop at out of town stores, again due to the free parking. If they can reach them that is, traffic, roads and flooding problems are having a an impact as all the cuts in highway maintenance and flood defences over the past four years are eventually taking their toll on Salisbury. If you don't invest in the infrastructure and instead spend money on decorations then this is what happens, simple. Good transport links and local infrastructure are probably higher up the list of priorities than the type of surface the local Market square has when business makes decisions. The new proposals for the Southampton road Sainsbury store being the exception due to the total insanity of....
a) building on a flood plain (which is flooded as we speak)
b) building next to a sewage treatment works (cream cake anyone? No, thought not)
c) building on a traffic bottle neck and major through route (thus increasing the traffic and therefore, logically, the bottle neck)
d) motorists slow down and queue to get in and out of the various turnings and commercial premises along the Southampton road, plus the traffic lights and blocked roundabouts don't help. (So, let's hinder through traffic more by making the area even more congested.)
The majority of local residents do not need to stay in local hotels in Salisbury and, due to the high cost of parking, will in fact shop at out of town stores, again due to the free parking. If they can reach them that is, traffic, roads and flooding problems are having a an impact as all the cuts in highway maintenance and flood defences over the past four years are eventually taking their toll on Salisbury. If you don't invest in the infrastructure and instead spend money on decorations then this is what happens, simple. Good transport links and local infrastructure are probably higher up the list of priorities than the type of surface the local Market square has when business makes decisions. The new proposals for the Southampton road Sainsbury store being the exception due to the total insanity of.... a) building on a flood plain (which is flooded as we speak) b) building next to a sewage treatment works (cream cake anyone? No, thought not) c) building on a traffic bottle neck and major through route (thus increasing the traffic and therefore, logically, the bottle neck) d) motorists slow down and queue to get in and out of the various turnings and commercial premises along the Southampton road, plus the traffic lights and blocked roundabouts don't help. (So, let's hinder through traffic more by making the area even more congested.) karlmarx
  • Score: -2

1:22pm Wed 5 Mar 14

DomImms says...

Parking charges are certainly an issue from my point of view as too, although in my expereince of talking to customers its not the biggest motivator in why people may not wish to visit the city center. If it were though for arguments sake the main reason, I supose the only conclusion to draw from that is there would need to be more of a draw to get people to shopping in the center. As I have already mentioned, myself and many other retailers believe that the highstreet will have to adapt rapidly in the near future with a shift towards people coming into to town for the social and lesiure side of it, rather than because they specifically need something. This is why I think 'decoration' as you put it is actually quite important if there is to be a future for the highstreet. If not then there won't be one. That's ok if that's what people want, i'll sell my wares somewhere else.

In terms of the overall look of the square, I would have done things differently but then many would probably disagree with what I would have done. I am just glad its not a car park anymore.

Of course the majority of locals dont need a hotel. But the tourist economy is big, four million tourits vist Salisbury every year. How many of them stay? A fraction of that number. More Tourists = more money spent in the local economy and with local businesses who pay local people. £5 spent in a local business per week per person visiting Salisbury would amount to alot of extra income in the local economy, which if managed properly should lead to better facilities and a nicer place for us all to live. It could even pay for the park and ride :)
Parking charges are certainly an issue from my point of view as too, although in my expereince of talking to customers its not the biggest motivator in why people may not wish to visit the city center. If it were though for arguments sake the main reason, I supose the only conclusion to draw from that is there would need to be more of a draw to get people to shopping in the center. As I have already mentioned, myself and many other retailers believe that the highstreet will have to adapt rapidly in the near future with a shift towards people coming into to town for the social and lesiure side of it, rather than because they specifically need something. This is why I think 'decoration' as you put it is actually quite important if there is to be a future for the highstreet. If not then there won't be one. That's ok if that's what people want, i'll sell my wares somewhere else. In terms of the overall look of the square, I would have done things differently but then many would probably disagree with what I would have done. I am just glad its not a car park anymore. Of course the majority of locals dont need a hotel. But the tourist economy is big, four million tourits vist Salisbury every year. How many of them stay? A fraction of that number. More Tourists = more money spent in the local economy and with local businesses who pay local people. £5 spent in a local business per week per person visiting Salisbury would amount to alot of extra income in the local economy, which if managed properly should lead to better facilities and a nicer place for us all to live. It could even pay for the park and ride :) DomImms
  • Score: 5

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