Asda is in the wrong place

CONSCIOUS that I have heard that Asda are promoting its London Road proposal with reference to 75 per cent of exhibition attendees stating that they supported Asda, I carried out my own semi-scientific survey.

Inspired by the Scottish independence question I proposed two questions: should Salisbury have an Asda superstore? (yes or no) and should the Asda superstore be off the St Thomas’ bridge roundabout and London Road? (yes or no).

These two questions were asked of pedestrians and residents of Hampton Park, Bishopdown Farm and London Road.

Two samples were taken, during the daytime and during the evening (male and female, young and old).

Here are the results: Should Salisbury have an Asda Superstore?

Yes: 72 per cent; No: 12 per cent; Don't know: four per cent; Wouldn’t say: 12 per cent.

Should the Asda Superstore be off the St Thomas' Bridge Roundabout and London Road?

Yes: 20 per cent; No: 52 per cent; Don't know: 20 per cent; Wouldn’t say: eight per cent.

So while it may be taken that roughly 75 per cent of people appear to be in favour of an Asda in Salisbury, more than half consulted in my survey did not want the superstore where it is currently proposed.

I didn't extend the survey by asking for reasons and justifications. I did not ask if they had been to the exhibition, or about their level of knowledge of the planning proposal. So my survey wasn't that scientific and probably has a wide margin of error, but then an arbitrary statement that 75 per cent of people are in favour of an Asda store is also a wildly misleading summary of opinion, and should not be accepted without significant consideration.

Richard Maguire, Salisbury

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12:52am Sun 11 May 14

karlmarx says...

This is exactly how these type of proposals succeed in getting planning permission Richard, 'wildly misleading summary of opinion'.

Take the Southampton Road 'Gateway Project' as another example of 'wildly misleading summary of opinion'. All based upon opinion, no facts, no figures and no evidence whatsoever.

Quote:
"Improving Southampton Road"

'Key changes have been made to the highways solution to ensure journey times along Southampton Road will not increase once the store is open. By adding a left hand entrance lane into the store carpark for traffic travelling into Salisbury we will be able to get shoppers cars off Southampton Road quicker.'

This is complete and total nonsense based upon nothing more than opinion. Again, no facts, figures or evidence to support this wildly inaccurate claim. The left hand entrance lane between the park and ride traffic lights and the Tesco roundabout still has to be reached and, the only way to do that in reality is to sit in the tailback along the Southampton Road which stretches to way beyond the Alderbury turn off even on good days.
The worst tailbacks have seen the traffic stacked up as far as Pepperbox hill and beyond. Ironically this is usually due to accidents on the Southampton road on the very stretch that this Salisbury Gateway proposal seeks to congest even further.

'The Bourne Way roundabout will also be enlarged as part of the proposals. Larger roundabouts encourage a better flow of traffic as the distance between junctions onto the roundabout is greater and and drivers have better visibility of the road.'

Again, more opinions and nonsense and, no facts, figures or evidence to back up this ridiculous claim. Making a larger roundabout will simply encourage even more drivers to force their way onto it and consequently block the roundabout entrances and exits.

'Vehicle numbers will not markedly increase because most customers will be either divert from other stores in the area or shop en route to a destination, such as enroute home or on the school run.'

More nonsense and opinions with no facts, figures or evidence. On the contrary, if a store was to open that didn't involve sitting in endless traffic jams then that would make more economic sense to shoppers as they wouldn't be wasting valuable fuel sitting there looking at the back of a truck or at other people blocking the roundabouts. I would venture a guess that nearly ALL people do their shopping en route to somewhere, be it school, the doctors or even the most obvious of this ridiculous claim, HOME!

'We have also pledged a continued committment to reducing cars on the road and have teamed up with local travel organisation SALTMO to achieve this. A number of suggestions have been made as to how SALTMO, using investment from Salisbury Gateway, may achieve this. These include better use of the Park & Rides as well as discounted travel across the city.'

So if the plan involves reducing the number of cars on Southampton road what exactly is the large car park next to the Supermarket for? For people to park their water buffalo? And who exactly is going to be paying for 'discounted travel across the city'? The owners of the superstore perhaps?

So you see Richard, what is put forward as a 'plan' is rarely anything remotely resembling a plan at all and, I suspect the London road superstore 'plan' will also be based purely upon opinion and speculation. For further details regarding 'plans' and how they fail to deliver anything in Salisbury except expensive fiascos see 9 jobs Macpherson and his 'plan' to improve policing in Salisbury.
This is exactly how these type of proposals succeed in getting planning permission Richard, 'wildly misleading summary of opinion'. Take the Southampton Road 'Gateway Project' as another example of 'wildly misleading summary of opinion'. All based upon opinion, no facts, no figures and no evidence whatsoever. Quote: "Improving Southampton Road" 'Key changes have been made to the highways solution to ensure journey times along Southampton Road will not increase once the store is open. By adding a left hand entrance lane into the store carpark for traffic travelling into Salisbury we will be able to get shoppers cars off Southampton Road quicker.' This is complete and total nonsense based upon nothing more than opinion. Again, no facts, figures or evidence to support this wildly inaccurate claim. The left hand entrance lane between the park and ride traffic lights and the Tesco roundabout still has to be reached and, the only way to do that in reality is to sit in the tailback along the Southampton Road which stretches to way beyond the Alderbury turn off even on good days. The worst tailbacks have seen the traffic stacked up as far as Pepperbox hill and beyond. Ironically this is usually due to accidents on the Southampton road on the very stretch that this Salisbury Gateway proposal seeks to congest even further. 'The Bourne Way roundabout will also be enlarged as part of the proposals. Larger roundabouts encourage a better flow of traffic as the distance between junctions onto the roundabout is greater and and drivers have better visibility of the road.' Again, more opinions and nonsense and, no facts, figures or evidence to back up this ridiculous claim. Making a larger roundabout will simply encourage even more drivers to force their way onto it and consequently block the roundabout entrances and exits. 'Vehicle numbers will not markedly increase because most customers will be either divert from other stores in the area or shop en route to a destination, such as enroute home or on the school run.' More nonsense and opinions with no facts, figures or evidence. On the contrary, if a store was to open that didn't involve sitting in endless traffic jams then that would make more economic sense to shoppers as they wouldn't be wasting valuable fuel sitting there looking at the back of a truck or at other people blocking the roundabouts. I would venture a guess that nearly ALL people do their shopping en route to somewhere, be it school, the doctors or even the most obvious of this ridiculous claim, HOME! 'We have also pledged a continued committment to reducing cars on the road and have teamed up with local travel organisation SALTMO to achieve this. A number of suggestions have been made as to how SALTMO, using investment from Salisbury Gateway, may achieve this. These include better use of the Park & Rides as well as discounted travel across the city.' So if the plan involves reducing the number of cars on Southampton road what exactly is the large car park next to the Supermarket for? For people to park their water buffalo? And who exactly is going to be paying for 'discounted travel across the city'? The owners of the superstore perhaps? So you see Richard, what is put forward as a 'plan' is rarely anything remotely resembling a plan at all and, I suspect the London road superstore 'plan' will also be based purely upon opinion and speculation. For further details regarding 'plans' and how they fail to deliver anything in Salisbury except expensive fiascos see 9 jobs Macpherson and his 'plan' to improve policing in Salisbury. karlmarx
  • Score: 7

7:44am Tue 13 May 14

simontalking says...

A new supermarket on the north side of the City seems inspired in comparison with the proposed Sainsbury's next door to Tesco! It would seem to me that if there is going to be any new supermarket development then this should be near the Beehive P&Ride. Busses are already there and it would also cater for all of the new housing development at FugRed, Archers Gate and the expanding Army garrisons.
A new supermarket on the north side of the City seems inspired in comparison with the proposed Sainsbury's next door to Tesco! It would seem to me that if there is going to be any new supermarket development then this should be near the Beehive P&Ride. Busses are already there and it would also cater for all of the new housing development at FugRed, Archers Gate and the expanding Army garrisons. simontalking
  • Score: 3

12:50pm Tue 13 May 14

IanMcL says...

There was a planning applovcatiomn for a supermarket at Longhedge (next to p&r). Sadly, it got deleted by WC Strategic Planning, although requested by the locals.
There was a planning applovcatiomn for a supermarket at Longhedge (next to p&r). Sadly, it got deleted by WC Strategic Planning, although requested by the locals. IanMcL
  • Score: 2

9:20am Wed 14 May 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

karlmarx wrote:
This is exactly how these type of proposals succeed in getting planning permission Richard, 'wildly misleading summary of opinion'.

Take the Southampton Road 'Gateway Project' as another example of 'wildly misleading summary of opinion'. All based upon opinion, no facts, no figures and no evidence whatsoever.

Quote:
"Improving Southampton Road"

'Key changes have been made to the highways solution to ensure journey times along Southampton Road will not increase once the store is open. By adding a left hand entrance lane into the store carpark for traffic travelling into Salisbury we will be able to get shoppers cars off Southampton Road quicker.'

This is complete and total nonsense based upon nothing more than opinion. Again, no facts, figures or evidence to support this wildly inaccurate claim. The left hand entrance lane between the park and ride traffic lights and the Tesco roundabout still has to be reached and, the only way to do that in reality is to sit in the tailback along the Southampton Road which stretches to way beyond the Alderbury turn off even on good days.
The worst tailbacks have seen the traffic stacked up as far as Pepperbox hill and beyond. Ironically this is usually due to accidents on the Southampton road on the very stretch that this Salisbury Gateway proposal seeks to congest even further.

'The Bourne Way roundabout will also be enlarged as part of the proposals. Larger roundabouts encourage a better flow of traffic as the distance between junctions onto the roundabout is greater and and drivers have better visibility of the road.'

Again, more opinions and nonsense and, no facts, figures or evidence to back up this ridiculous claim. Making a larger roundabout will simply encourage even more drivers to force their way onto it and consequently block the roundabout entrances and exits.

'Vehicle numbers will not markedly increase because most customers will be either divert from other stores in the area or shop en route to a destination, such as enroute home or on the school run.'

More nonsense and opinions with no facts, figures or evidence. On the contrary, if a store was to open that didn't involve sitting in endless traffic jams then that would make more economic sense to shoppers as they wouldn't be wasting valuable fuel sitting there looking at the back of a truck or at other people blocking the roundabouts. I would venture a guess that nearly ALL people do their shopping en route to somewhere, be it school, the doctors or even the most obvious of this ridiculous claim, HOME!

'We have also pledged a continued committment to reducing cars on the road and have teamed up with local travel organisation SALTMO to achieve this. A number of suggestions have been made as to how SALTMO, using investment from Salisbury Gateway, may achieve this. These include better use of the Park & Rides as well as discounted travel across the city.'

So if the plan involves reducing the number of cars on Southampton road what exactly is the large car park next to the Supermarket for? For people to park their water buffalo? And who exactly is going to be paying for 'discounted travel across the city'? The owners of the superstore perhaps?

So you see Richard, what is put forward as a 'plan' is rarely anything remotely resembling a plan at all and, I suspect the London road superstore 'plan' will also be based purely upon opinion and speculation. For further details regarding 'plans' and how they fail to deliver anything in Salisbury except expensive fiascos see 9 jobs Macpherson and his 'plan' to improve policing in Salisbury.
I hope you have put all that in a written objection to the planning application!
[quote][p][bold]karlmarx[/bold] wrote: This is exactly how these type of proposals succeed in getting planning permission Richard, 'wildly misleading summary of opinion'. Take the Southampton Road 'Gateway Project' as another example of 'wildly misleading summary of opinion'. All based upon opinion, no facts, no figures and no evidence whatsoever. Quote: "Improving Southampton Road" 'Key changes have been made to the highways solution to ensure journey times along Southampton Road will not increase once the store is open. By adding a left hand entrance lane into the store carpark for traffic travelling into Salisbury we will be able to get shoppers cars off Southampton Road quicker.' This is complete and total nonsense based upon nothing more than opinion. Again, no facts, figures or evidence to support this wildly inaccurate claim. The left hand entrance lane between the park and ride traffic lights and the Tesco roundabout still has to be reached and, the only way to do that in reality is to sit in the tailback along the Southampton Road which stretches to way beyond the Alderbury turn off even on good days. The worst tailbacks have seen the traffic stacked up as far as Pepperbox hill and beyond. Ironically this is usually due to accidents on the Southampton road on the very stretch that this Salisbury Gateway proposal seeks to congest even further. 'The Bourne Way roundabout will also be enlarged as part of the proposals. Larger roundabouts encourage a better flow of traffic as the distance between junctions onto the roundabout is greater and and drivers have better visibility of the road.' Again, more opinions and nonsense and, no facts, figures or evidence to back up this ridiculous claim. Making a larger roundabout will simply encourage even more drivers to force their way onto it and consequently block the roundabout entrances and exits. 'Vehicle numbers will not markedly increase because most customers will be either divert from other stores in the area or shop en route to a destination, such as enroute home or on the school run.' More nonsense and opinions with no facts, figures or evidence. On the contrary, if a store was to open that didn't involve sitting in endless traffic jams then that would make more economic sense to shoppers as they wouldn't be wasting valuable fuel sitting there looking at the back of a truck or at other people blocking the roundabouts. I would venture a guess that nearly ALL people do their shopping en route to somewhere, be it school, the doctors or even the most obvious of this ridiculous claim, HOME! 'We have also pledged a continued committment to reducing cars on the road and have teamed up with local travel organisation SALTMO to achieve this. A number of suggestions have been made as to how SALTMO, using investment from Salisbury Gateway, may achieve this. These include better use of the Park & Rides as well as discounted travel across the city.' So if the plan involves reducing the number of cars on Southampton road what exactly is the large car park next to the Supermarket for? For people to park their water buffalo? And who exactly is going to be paying for 'discounted travel across the city'? The owners of the superstore perhaps? So you see Richard, what is put forward as a 'plan' is rarely anything remotely resembling a plan at all and, I suspect the London road superstore 'plan' will also be based purely upon opinion and speculation. For further details regarding 'plans' and how they fail to deliver anything in Salisbury except expensive fiascos see 9 jobs Macpherson and his 'plan' to improve policing in Salisbury.[/p][/quote]I hope you have put all that in a written objection to the planning application! Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 2

1:59pm Wed 14 May 14

karlmarx says...

I have but, I suspect common sense will not prevail as profits tend to over-ride common sense. We shall see.
I have but, I suspect common sense will not prevail as profits tend to over-ride common sense. We shall see. karlmarx
  • Score: 1

9:08pm Thu 15 May 14

Schoolmum999 says...

I have to say that I think the Asda proposal is a great idea and in exactly the right place. It will stop me having to fight my way across town to get stuck in Tesco's car park!
I have to say that I think the Asda proposal is a great idea and in exactly the right place. It will stop me having to fight my way across town to get stuck in Tesco's car park! Schoolmum999
  • Score: 1

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