Residents in petition over Salisbury sex shop

Salisbury Journal: Local residents with cllr Richard Clewer Local residents with cllr Richard Clewer

CONCERNED residents have launched a petition to protest against the window display at a Salisbury sex shop.

Amazing Fantasy, in Fisherton Street, has recently been refurbished and its new display has been branded “inappropriate” and “more obvious”, by people living nearby.

Nelly Bull, who lives in Dews Road, launched a petition that has been signed by more than 40 people in just a few days.

“It is very worrying,” she said.

“There are pictures of women in provocative poses displayed right at the eye level of a small child.

“There have also been slogans in the window, again at the eye level of children, which are not appropriate for them to read.

“I am truly appalled. We have a responsibility to protect our children.

“I am not heading any vendetta against this shop. They have freedom to trade, but as a community we have the right to strive for better standards and decency in our streets.”

Many of Mrs Bull’s neighbours and other traders have also signed the petition which was handed to Wiltshire councillor for the St Paul’s ward, Richard Clewer, on Tuesday.

“I am not at all surprised by the opposition to this display,” said cllr Clewer.

“Since the shop was refurbished it has become more noticeable and obvious.

“I am not sure what the position is with regards to enforcement action, but I will speak to the council’s licensing department for guidance.

“Businesses do have a right to trade but there must be a balance and consideration when there are people, especially children, living nearby.”

Jonathan Spencer, manager of Amazing Fantasy, which has been trading for 18 years, said: “There is nothing you would see in our window that you wouldn’t see in the window of other high street shops and their pictures are much bigger and more obvious.

“Why should we black out our windows which would make the shop seem seedy? That is not what we are about at all.

“We have simply had a lick of paint and changed our stock – it is mostly lingerie.

“People who have been into the shop have been impressed with how it looks and trade has been up 63 per cent since the refurbishment.

“We have reduced the amount of stock we need a licence to sell and everything is legal.

“There is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding. We are trying to change the image of this business.

“I run similar shops in other places and have won awards – I am surprised by this reaction.

“I am very happy to meet with the residents – either in the shop or outside – if they want to discuss their concerns

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3:41pm Thu 4 Jul 13

jonathanspencer says...

I welcome any comments and suggestions from anybody in the area.
These petitioners didn't contact me with their concerns. Before the refurbishment there was always lingerie in the window.
The shop has been restocked, repainted and is now more acceptable to shop in than before.
We have had only positive comments from all passers by and people coming into the store saying how nice it is now.
Everybody has sex and the products sold in-store prolong healthy and happy relationships.
Are these ladies also petitioning against Ann Summer and M & S (who sexualise their windows more than we would) or are they simply discriminating against us as we are a licensed law abiding store?
I welcome any comments and suggestions from anybody in the area. These petitioners didn't contact me with their concerns. Before the refurbishment there was always lingerie in the window. The shop has been restocked, repainted and is now more acceptable to shop in than before. We have had only positive comments from all passers by and people coming into the store saying how nice it is now. Everybody has sex and the products sold in-store prolong healthy and happy relationships. Are these ladies also petitioning against Ann Summer and M & S (who sexualise their windows more than we would) or are they simply discriminating against us as we are a licensed law abiding store? jonathanspencer

3:46pm Thu 4 Jul 13

someotherreader says...

Really? What will these people be protesting about next?
The butchers are displaying too much (lamb) leg?
The newsagents are displaying all the wrong types of newspapers?
Next thing is, they will be complaining that WHSmiths are selling pencils and sharpeners together! Heaven forbid that someone under 18 got the wrong idea about that...
I wonder if these local residents have actually been into Mr Spencer's shop to congratulate him on trying to change the image of the store and improve the local area. I bet they haven't!
Well Done Mr Spencer. I hope that your business continues to be a success and I wish you all the best.
Really? What will these people be protesting about next? The butchers are displaying too much (lamb) leg? The newsagents are displaying all the wrong types of newspapers? Next thing is, they will be complaining that WHSmiths are selling pencils and sharpeners together! Heaven forbid that someone under 18 got the wrong idea about that... I wonder if these local residents have actually been into Mr Spencer's shop to congratulate him on trying to change the image of the store and improve the local area. I bet they haven't! Well Done Mr Spencer. I hope that your business continues to be a success and I wish you all the best. someotherreader

4:02pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Rozzy_b says...

I've visited the new shop with my friends and we were really impressed. It looks professional and the staff were polite and friendly; which takes away the 'seedy' image that I used to relate with an adult shop.

I don't think we can avoid women in provocative poses in this day and age. (Just look at the Sun Newspaper or magazines such as FHM, Nuts etc that you find on child high shelves in WH Smiths and the Supermarkets!)

As for display models in underwear; there’s always been an Ann Summer’s shop in the centre that hasn’t cause any problems?
I've visited the new shop with my friends and we were really impressed. It looks professional and the staff were polite and friendly; which takes away the 'seedy' image that I used to relate with an adult shop. I don't think we can avoid women in provocative poses in this day and age. (Just look at the Sun Newspaper or magazines such as FHM, Nuts etc that you find on child high shelves in WH Smiths and the Supermarkets!) As for display models in underwear; there’s always been an Ann Summer’s shop in the centre that hasn’t cause any problems? Rozzy_b

4:03pm Thu 4 Jul 13

atttim says...

If they are trading legally, and displaying in the window in a legal manner, and are showing pictures, manakins or any other display no more "devilish" in appearance than any other high street shop, eg M&S and Ann Summer to name but two.....then I consider the people associated with this petition to be living in the past or possibly bigots.
I wish I had a lingerie and sex shop at my doorstep, but would have to put my foot down, in that they kept to "normal" opening times on a Sunday !!
If they are trading legally, and displaying in the window in a legal manner, and are showing pictures, manakins or any other display no more "devilish" in appearance than any other high street shop, eg M&S and Ann Summer to name but two.....then I consider the people associated with this petition to be living in the past or possibly bigots. I wish I had a lingerie and sex shop at my doorstep, but would have to put my foot down, in that they kept to "normal" opening times on a Sunday !! atttim

4:16pm Thu 4 Jul 13

cookie_monster says...

Are these women for real?
Fisherton Street needs some life bought back in to it!
If they don't like looking at lingerie then don't look in the mirror!
Do they protect their own children from seeing themselves in lingerie?
Do they blindfold their children's eyes when walking along the beach or on holiday?
The reporter forgot to mention nearly naked women are now seen in the clothes departments in supermarkets. Are they going to petition against Sainsburys, Tesco and Asda?
I think the shop looks very acceptable although I never saw it before.
Surely if these women discriminate and harass this shop then the police should get involved. I am sure their must be anti-discrimination laws?
Are these women for real? Fisherton Street needs some life bought back in to it! If they don't like looking at lingerie then don't look in the mirror! Do they protect their own children from seeing themselves in lingerie? Do they blindfold their children's eyes when walking along the beach or on holiday? The reporter forgot to mention nearly naked women are now seen in the clothes departments in supermarkets. Are they going to petition against Sainsburys, Tesco and Asda? I think the shop looks very acceptable although I never saw it before. Surely if these women discriminate and harass this shop then the police should get involved. I am sure their must be anti-discrimination laws? cookie_monster

4:23pm Thu 4 Jul 13

lilyolaly says...

This is absurd! I visited the shop last week and saw nothing that was remotely graphic in their window. I actually found it to be a pleasant change from the usual seedy places you see around.
I was actually impressed that they stocked a brand that I used to buy (the brand featured in the window), during my time in Germany, of which I happen to know all models have been air brushed to remove details such as nipples or genital definition, making the images that these people are petitioning about LESS graphic than those you see in the high street. I've seen far worse on billboards, magazine covers and high street windows than I have in this shop's window. To me, this is just living in the past and further encouraging negative behaviour towards body comfort and sexual acceptance. I have children myself and I am very strict on the images that I expose them to. This shop's window display is no more offensive than a Saturdays' music video. I can't see this truly being any more than a question of taste, which is as subjective as me petitioning against the local green grocer because I don't like cabbage.
This is absurd! I visited the shop last week and saw nothing that was remotely graphic in their window. I actually found it to be a pleasant change from the usual seedy places you see around. I was actually impressed that they stocked a brand that I used to buy (the brand featured in the window), during my time in Germany, of which I happen to know all models have been air brushed to remove details such as nipples or genital definition, making the images that these people are petitioning about LESS graphic than those you see in the high street. I've seen far worse on billboards, magazine covers and high street windows than I have in this shop's window. To me, this is just living in the past and further encouraging negative behaviour towards body comfort and sexual acceptance. I have children myself and I am very strict on the images that I expose them to. This shop's window display is no more offensive than a Saturdays' music video. I can't see this truly being any more than a question of taste, which is as subjective as me petitioning against the local green grocer because I don't like cabbage. lilyolaly

4:41pm Thu 4 Jul 13

LBryant says...

I had to comment. I'm sick of the PC Brigade in this country.

The owner of the shop has numerous valid points with regard to the display of his shop window. Where does it stop? Small businesses such as these are being strangled by all sorts of red tape and bureaucracy. Starting a petition against the display of lingerie in shop window? These people petition just to petition.

Too much time on their hands. Yet i expect they shop at M & S with their kids and pay no attention to the lingerie sections in those types of stores.

ludicrus! How much is the taxpayer going to pay this councilor to investigate this?!
I had to comment. I'm sick of the PC Brigade in this country. The owner of the shop has numerous valid points with regard to the display of his shop window. Where does it stop? Small businesses such as these are being strangled by all sorts of red tape and bureaucracy. Starting a petition against the display of lingerie in shop window? These people petition just to petition. Too much time on their hands. Yet i expect they shop at M & S with their kids and pay no attention to the lingerie sections in those types of stores. ludicrus! How much is the taxpayer going to pay this councilor to investigate this?! LBryant

4:49pm Thu 4 Jul 13

cookie_monster says...

LBryant wrote:
I had to comment. I'm sick of the PC Brigade in this country.

The owner of the shop has numerous valid points with regard to the display of his shop window. Where does it stop? Small businesses such as these are being strangled by all sorts of red tape and bureaucracy. Starting a petition against the display of lingerie in shop window? These people petition just to petition.

Too much time on their hands. Yet i expect they shop at M & S with their kids and pay no attention to the lingerie sections in those types of stores.

ludicrus! How much is the taxpayer going to pay this councilor to investigate this?!
I agree a complete waste of taxpayers money which is soooo unnecessary the council should bill these women for the time the Councillors and council office workers who have to deal with this.
I am sure they would petition this shop even if the models in the windows were wearing burkas...
[quote][p][bold]LBryant[/bold] wrote: I had to comment. I'm sick of the PC Brigade in this country. The owner of the shop has numerous valid points with regard to the display of his shop window. Where does it stop? Small businesses such as these are being strangled by all sorts of red tape and bureaucracy. Starting a petition against the display of lingerie in shop window? These people petition just to petition. Too much time on their hands. Yet i expect they shop at M & S with their kids and pay no attention to the lingerie sections in those types of stores. ludicrus! How much is the taxpayer going to pay this councilor to investigate this?![/p][/quote]I agree a complete waste of taxpayers money which is soooo unnecessary the council should bill these women for the time the Councillors and council office workers who have to deal with this. I am sure they would petition this shop even if the models in the windows were wearing burkas... cookie_monster

4:54pm Thu 4 Jul 13

jonathanspencer says...

cookie_monster wrote:
LBryant wrote:
I had to comment. I'm sick of the PC Brigade in this country.

The owner of the shop has numerous valid points with regard to the display of his shop window. Where does it stop? Small businesses such as these are being strangled by all sorts of red tape and bureaucracy. Starting a petition against the display of lingerie in shop window? These people petition just to petition.

Too much time on their hands. Yet i expect they shop at M & S with their kids and pay no attention to the lingerie sections in those types of stores.

ludicrus! How much is the taxpayer going to pay this councilor to investigate this?!
I agree a complete waste of taxpayers money which is soooo unnecessary the council should bill these women for the time the Councillors and council office workers who have to deal with this.
I am sure they would petition this shop even if the models in the windows were wearing burkas...
If Miss Bull wants a Burka display on the models all she needed to do was ask. I am here to listen.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_monster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LBryant[/bold] wrote: I had to comment. I'm sick of the PC Brigade in this country. The owner of the shop has numerous valid points with regard to the display of his shop window. Where does it stop? Small businesses such as these are being strangled by all sorts of red tape and bureaucracy. Starting a petition against the display of lingerie in shop window? These people petition just to petition. Too much time on their hands. Yet i expect they shop at M & S with their kids and pay no attention to the lingerie sections in those types of stores. ludicrus! How much is the taxpayer going to pay this councilor to investigate this?![/p][/quote]I agree a complete waste of taxpayers money which is soooo unnecessary the council should bill these women for the time the Councillors and council office workers who have to deal with this. I am sure they would petition this shop even if the models in the windows were wearing burkas...[/p][/quote]If Miss Bull wants a Burka display on the models all she needed to do was ask. I am here to listen. jonathanspencer

5:11pm Thu 4 Jul 13

honeybee2 says...

I think this is disgusting, we need to be supporting local independent businesses. As already mentioned on other comments, you can go into M&S and other high street stores including supermarkets these days and see lingerie on display. Some people have to much time on their hands and need to find something to moan about.
I think this is disgusting, we need to be supporting local independent businesses. As already mentioned on other comments, you can go into M&S and other high street stores including supermarkets these days and see lingerie on display. Some people have to much time on their hands and need to find something to moan about. honeybee2

5:17pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Steward27 says...

I recently visited Salisbury and I can't be more shocked by this petition. The shop is tastefully done and I was in no way offended or felt it was inappropriate for others including children to see. Adult shops don't always carry the seedy image and I don't see any petitions about other mainstream sex shops just because they are bigger brands. I think these residents need to move along with the times and realise sex is no longer a taboo.
I recently visited Salisbury and I can't be more shocked by this petition. The shop is tastefully done and I was in no way offended or felt it was inappropriate for others including children to see. Adult shops don't always carry the seedy image and I don't see any petitions about other mainstream sex shops just because they are bigger brands. I think these residents need to move along with the times and realise sex is no longer a taboo. Steward27

5:30pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Dad of 2 says...

They obviously prefer a seedy shop they can sneak into for their sordid goodies rather than proudly walking into a fresh and honest adult store supplying quality products, living a healthy adult life.
They obviously prefer a seedy shop they can sneak into for their sordid goodies rather than proudly walking into a fresh and honest adult store supplying quality products, living a healthy adult life. Dad of 2

5:31pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Dad of 2 says...

Also I would have no worries about walking my children past their windows, there are a lot worse on the high street! If my children asked any questions I would give an appropriate answer of a grown ups shop for grown ups toys, why tell them anymore than that! An answer satisfies their curiosity, narrow mindedness only leads to more questions where they will get the answers from ill informed sources or in too much details!
Also I would have no worries about walking my children past their windows, there are a lot worse on the high street! If my children asked any questions I would give an appropriate answer of a grown ups shop for grown ups toys, why tell them anymore than that! An answer satisfies their curiosity, narrow mindedness only leads to more questions where they will get the answers from ill informed sources or in too much details! Dad of 2

5:31pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Melissa healy says...

Are these residents also complaining about displays of underware and swim ware in other shops because if not it would seem to me that their complaint is prejudiced. As a mother of four I am more than happy to engage in conversations and answer questions my children may have about sex and am confident that in adulthood they will be lacking thesexual hang ups that former generations have diplayed. If children are asking questions take the opportunity to educate them but not in narrow mindedness and bigotry.
Are these residents also complaining about displays of underware and swim ware in other shops because if not it would seem to me that their complaint is prejudiced. As a mother of four I am more than happy to engage in conversations and answer questions my children may have about sex and am confident that in adulthood they will be lacking thesexual hang ups that former generations have diplayed. If children are asking questions take the opportunity to educate them but not in narrow mindedness and bigotry. Melissa healy

6:23pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Neil R says...

It's little wonder these prudes didn't get delivered by the stork or picked from the cabbage patch.

If you child understands the phrase 'Keep Calm & Keep It Up' on the window, I'd have questions about how! To most, it will just be an innocuous phrase that they will not comprehend.

As stated above, we should be encouraging local businesses - just look at the state of Salisbury - so many empty units, it is little wonder people are not shopping in the city any more.

This old fashioned idea that sex shops, strip clubs and the like will attract miscreants of varying types is redundant. These objections are more often than not linked to religion. All religions cause conflict.

These protesters clearly need more sex in their lives.

Make love, not war.
Peace x
It's little wonder these prudes didn't get delivered by the stork or picked from the cabbage patch. If you child understands the phrase 'Keep Calm & Keep It Up' on the window, I'd have questions about how! To most, it will just be an innocuous phrase that they will not comprehend. As stated above, we should be encouraging local businesses - just look at the state of Salisbury - so many empty units, it is little wonder people are not shopping in the city any more. This old fashioned idea that sex shops, strip clubs and the like will attract miscreants of varying types is redundant. These objections are more often than not linked to religion. All religions cause conflict. These protesters clearly need more sex in their lives. Make love, not war. Peace x Neil R

6:51pm Thu 4 Jul 13

royeveleigh says...

I AM ASHAMED TO BE A CHRISTIAN
I AM ASHAMED TO BE A CHRISTIAN royeveleigh

6:53pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Livelifetothefull says...

I cant believe that time and money is being wasted on even giving this petition creedence.
This just feels like PC and religious britan gone crazy, living back in the dark victorian age.
I cannot see how anyone would find this window display offensive esp when compaired
against a M&S or Ann Summers shop window.

The shop in question is bright, a pleasure to visit and the staff are amazing to deal with, even the inside is far from offensive.
I cant believe that time and money is being wasted on even giving this petition creedence. This just feels like PC and religious britan gone crazy, living back in the dark victorian age. I cannot see how anyone would find this window display offensive esp when compaired against a M&S or Ann Summers shop window. The shop in question is bright, a pleasure to visit and the staff are amazing to deal with, even the inside is far from offensive. Livelifetothefull

7:31pm Thu 4 Jul 13

wolowizard says...

I think the shop front looks really nice now it's had a coat of paint. It looked dated before. If these people want to find something to complain about, then perhaps it should be the fact that Dews Road looks a complete mess! At least amazing fantasy have tried to make an effort to improve the look of the area. Some people need to get a grip, there's far worse things about this city to worry about!
I think the shop front looks really nice now it's had a coat of paint. It looked dated before. If these people want to find something to complain about, then perhaps it should be the fact that Dews Road looks a complete mess! At least amazing fantasy have tried to make an effort to improve the look of the area. Some people need to get a grip, there's far worse things about this city to worry about! wolowizard

9:23pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Emma Royde says...

As for the shop owners comments that "Everyone has sex" - I would like to assure him that I absolutely do not partake in this filthy act and nor will my children. I would assume that the petition organisers haven't in a while either! I highly recommend not having sex for a while, it gives you a heightened irrational awareness when it comes to what others are doing, which is particularly useful at times like this.

Perhaps we could have a nice tea shop here instead.
As for the shop owners comments that "Everyone has sex" - I would like to assure him that I absolutely do not partake in this filthy act and nor will my children. I would assume that the petition organisers haven't in a while either! I highly recommend not having sex for a while, it gives you a heightened irrational awareness when it comes to what others are doing, which is particularly useful at times like this. Perhaps we could have a nice tea shop here instead. Emma Royde

9:28pm Thu 4 Jul 13

FreeBornJohn says...

There is nothing wrong with the shop display. It is appriopriate and low key.

The shop is operating within the law and is obvioursly in demand.

What is the issue?
There is nothing wrong with the shop display. It is appriopriate and low key. The shop is operating within the law and is obvioursly in demand. What is the issue? FreeBornJohn

9:42pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Richard Clewer says...

I am not sure I dare comment here but I will try.

If residents get a petition together, as Councillors we have a duty to accept it. Also if residents raise issues with Councillors I think we have a responsibilty to look into them if we do not know the answers already.

I am not an expert on the licensing of Sex Shops. I have spoken to the residents and shop owner and have asked licensing for advice to clarify and resolve the issue.

I do not expect that licensing will have any concerns but it is reasonable to ask the question. I have had issues raised with my about this by two separate residents with differing issues. I think the point about the pictures being similar to those you will find in clothing shops is a pertinent one. The 'joke' is a question of context I guess and I understand the point being made even if I am not sure I agree with the concern.

I do want to make it clear that I think that politicans should have nothing to do with what goes on in other peoples bedrooms.
I am not sure I dare comment here but I will try. If residents get a petition together, as Councillors we have a duty to accept it. Also if residents raise issues with Councillors I think we have a responsibilty to look into them if we do not know the answers already. I am not an expert on the licensing of Sex Shops. I have spoken to the residents and shop owner and have asked licensing for advice to clarify and resolve the issue. I do not expect that licensing will have any concerns but it is reasonable to ask the question. I have had issues raised with my about this by two separate residents with differing issues. I think the point about the pictures being similar to those you will find in clothing shops is a pertinent one. The 'joke' is a question of context I guess and I understand the point being made even if I am not sure I agree with the concern. I do want to make it clear that I think that politicans should have nothing to do with what goes on in other peoples bedrooms. Richard Clewer

9:51pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Steve6666 says...

So this councillor bloke says, "“I am not sure what the position is with regards to enforcement action, but I will speak to the council’s licensing department for guidance."

Did he not think it might have been a good idea to find out what the position is with regards to enforcement before opening his big mouth and talking a load of nonsense? Better still he could have told these daft petitioners to belt up and get a life and stop moaning about trivialities. I have seen more offensive things than that window display lying on their backs at the bottom of a pond.

An excellent argument for taking a very large axe to the local government system.
So this councillor bloke says, "“I am not sure what the position is with regards to enforcement action, but I will speak to the council’s licensing department for guidance." Did he not think it might have been a good idea to find out what the position is with regards to enforcement before opening his big mouth and talking a load of nonsense? Better still he could have told these daft petitioners to belt up and get a life and stop moaning about trivialities. I have seen more offensive things than that window display lying on their backs at the bottom of a pond. An excellent argument for taking a very large axe to the local government system. Steve6666

10:17pm Thu 4 Jul 13

atttim says...

Emma Royde.....I have to tell you that I have just read your comments and found them so funny that I fell off my computer chair laughing and my eyes are still watering !!
So so funny....wish I could write like you...lol
Am just off to have that cuppa you mentioned...and maybe get my toys out after......I collect dinkys....(a type of toy I collected as a child!)
Emma Royde.....I have to tell you that I have just read your comments and found them so funny that I fell off my computer chair laughing and my eyes are still watering !! So so funny....wish I could write like you...lol Am just off to have that cuppa you mentioned...and maybe get my toys out after......I collect dinkys....(a type of toy I collected as a child!) atttim

10:56pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Lady Victoria Clark says...

40 people on a petition! To me that doesn't sound like a lot?
I have seen less fuss made out of petitions with over 100,000 signatories on.
40 people on a petition! To me that doesn't sound like a lot? I have seen less fuss made out of petitions with over 100,000 signatories on. Lady Victoria Clark

11:10pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Lady Victoria Clark says...

These women have seen an easy target and an easy way to get publicity.
It is a crusade to disperse their sexual frustrations and attempt to deny others a healthy enjoyable sex life.
I would much rather be looking at a a nice clean amusing shop window like this. I find it more offensive looking in a butchers windows.
Would they prefer an empty shop so that they can have all the drug users in these streets they live in using it as a abandoned meeting point?
Everyone has a choice they either go in or not.
In the bars in the city women are in hoops spinning around in the window in a provocative manner with only knickers and tape on their breasts. No petition from these women and that's only 400 yards from the shop.
This is the world we live in. Barbie dolls get supplied naked with lingerie to dress them. Their bodies are perfectly formed and with an image that very few people can live up to.
Would these women prefer a non liberated country where they would have to cover up and do what the man tells them to do.
I popped into debenhams yesterday and they have giant men in underwear in the mens dept. showing the outline of a appendage.
And what about the Littlewoods, Next, Freemans and such catalogue which are scattered around the home?
I am sure that if we took a look in these petitioners homes and you will soon see sexualisation.
Hypocrites with a capital H!
These women have seen an easy target and an easy way to get publicity. It is a crusade to disperse their sexual frustrations and attempt to deny others a healthy enjoyable sex life. I would much rather be looking at a a nice clean amusing shop window like this. I find it more offensive looking in a butchers windows. Would they prefer an empty shop so that they can have all the drug users in these streets they live in using it as a abandoned meeting point? Everyone has a choice they either go in or not. In the bars in the city women are in hoops spinning around in the window in a provocative manner with only knickers and tape on their breasts. No petition from these women and that's only 400 yards from the shop. This is the world we live in. Barbie dolls get supplied naked with lingerie to dress them. Their bodies are perfectly formed and with an image that very few people can live up to. Would these women prefer a non liberated country where they would have to cover up and do what the man tells them to do. I popped into debenhams yesterday and they have giant men in underwear in the mens dept. showing the outline of a appendage. And what about the Littlewoods, Next, Freemans and such catalogue which are scattered around the home? I am sure that if we took a look in these petitioners homes and you will soon see sexualisation. Hypocrites with a capital H! Lady Victoria Clark

11:12pm Thu 4 Jul 13

tilly trotter says...

Scantily clad women,and all within a stones throw of our cathedral,this is pure filth,broken britain at its worst,i may have to frequent this shop to see what all the fuss is about.i shall then take it up with the local mp.what next,raves in wilton.....
Scantily clad women,and all within a stones throw of our cathedral,this is pure filth,broken britain at its worst,i may have to frequent this shop to see what all the fuss is about.i shall then take it up with the local mp.what next,raves in wilton..... tilly trotter

11:14pm Thu 4 Jul 13

Lady Victoria Clark says...

Yesterday on Lorraine during GMTV we had a full lingerie and swimming costume section at a time pre school when children are watching.
This was far more exposing of flesh and this show would have had to meet broadcasting guidelines which means that lingerie in society is acceptable at all hours of the day.
Yesterday on Lorraine during GMTV we had a full lingerie and swimming costume section at a time pre school when children are watching. This was far more exposing of flesh and this show would have had to meet broadcasting guidelines which means that lingerie in society is acceptable at all hours of the day. Lady Victoria Clark

11:23pm Thu 4 Jul 13

sylvialane says...

My husband signed the petition. He was told that there was an exploitation of women at the shop.
We were mislead by this women, they put thoughts into our heads of debauchery and sin.
If they made it clear that it was only lingerie in the window then my husband wouldn't have signed and I am sure several others wouldn't have either.
Shameful
Apologies to our councillor for wasting his time.
My husband signed the petition. He was told that there was an exploitation of women at the shop. We were mislead by this women, they put thoughts into our heads of debauchery and sin. If they made it clear that it was only lingerie in the window then my husband wouldn't have signed and I am sure several others wouldn't have either. Shameful Apologies to our councillor for wasting his time. sylvialane

12:53am Fri 5 Jul 13

Emma Royde says...

We could call the tea shop "Amazing Flan and Tea"

Kumbayah my Lord, kumbayah......
We could call the tea shop "Amazing Flan and Tea" Kumbayah my Lord, kumbayah...... Emma Royde

8:02am Fri 5 Jul 13

hairy poppins says...

Maybe JonathanSpencer should set up a petition of his own. Given the support on here, i'm sure he'd get a good few signatures. Seeing as Mr Clewer is all for representing the views of his residents, local businesses and employers, I'm sure he'd be all for another Journal photo op of him doing his duty and accepting the petition from another band of concerned residents.

Personally, as a father of two pre-school children, I'm not in the least bit concerned about this bright, fresh approachable shop. I'd rather that than the traditional grubby, dirty, papered over windows affair with old men shuffling in in trench coats. Ann Summers is equally as 'guilty' and in a worse position for little'uns eyes than tucked away down Fisherton street. I personally commend Mr Spencer for brightening up his shop - I'd not have a problem with having more like his. As a father, I'm more concerned by the roads, the policing situation, the jobs market, the language my kids hear when walking down the street. Do these people not have better things to worry about?
Maybe JonathanSpencer should set up a petition of his own. Given the support on here, i'm sure he'd get a good few signatures. Seeing as Mr Clewer is all for representing the views of his residents, local businesses and employers, I'm sure he'd be all for another Journal photo op of him doing his duty and accepting the petition from another band of concerned residents. Personally, as a father of two pre-school children, I'm not in the least bit concerned about this bright, fresh approachable shop. I'd rather that than the traditional grubby, dirty, papered over windows affair with old men shuffling in in trench coats. Ann Summers is equally as 'guilty' and in a worse position for little'uns eyes than tucked away down Fisherton street. I personally commend Mr Spencer for brightening up his shop - I'd not have a problem with having more like his. As a father, I'm more concerned by the roads, the policing situation, the jobs market, the language my kids hear when walking down the street. Do these people not have better things to worry about? hairy poppins

9:53am Fri 5 Jul 13

Richard Clewer says...

I am happy to accept a petition from anyone.

I had contacted licensing before I heard the petition was comming to me (after another resident had mentioned the issue).

I do think in all this we need to consider that different people have different views and they all have an equal right to express them. It is good to hear both sides of the debate.
I am happy to accept a petition from anyone. I had contacted licensing before I heard the petition was comming to me (after another resident had mentioned the issue). I do think in all this we need to consider that different people have different views and they all have an equal right to express them. It is good to hear both sides of the debate. Richard Clewer

10:20am Fri 5 Jul 13

Grampie says...

What does our MP think about all this?

I overheard somebody say the shop was "seedy", went in and asked for some marigold seeds and they sold me a set of rubber gloves.

Older age has its challenges
What does our MP think about all this? I overheard somebody say the shop was "seedy", went in and asked for some marigold seeds and they sold me a set of rubber gloves. Older age has its challenges Grampie

10:25am Fri 5 Jul 13

Grampie says...

There is an exercise in backtracking going on.

“I am not at all surprised by the opposition to this display,” said cllr Clewer.

“Since the shop was refurbished it has become more noticeable and obvious. "

It appears that he agreed with the protesters at the time.

His comments on here are less strident since the postings made on here are supportive of the shop.

Sitting on the fence now, Richard?
There is an exercise in backtracking going on. “I am not at all surprised by the opposition to this display,” said cllr Clewer. “Since the shop was refurbished it has become more noticeable and obvious. " It appears that he agreed with the protesters at the time. His comments on here are less strident since the postings made on here are supportive of the shop. Sitting on the fence now, Richard? Grampie

10:40am Fri 5 Jul 13

jonathanspencer says...

hairy poppins wrote:
Maybe JonathanSpencer should set up a petition of his own. Given the support on here, i'm sure he'd get a good few signatures. Seeing as Mr Clewer is all for representing the views of his residents, local businesses and employers, I'm sure he'd be all for another Journal photo op of him doing his duty and accepting the petition from another band of concerned residents.

Personally, as a father of two pre-school children, I'm not in the least bit concerned about this bright, fresh approachable shop. I'd rather that than the traditional grubby, dirty, papered over windows affair with old men shuffling in in trench coats. Ann Summers is equally as 'guilty' and in a worse position for little'uns eyes than tucked away down Fisherton street. I personally commend Mr Spencer for brightening up his shop - I'd not have a problem with having more like his. As a father, I'm more concerned by the roads, the policing situation, the jobs market, the language my kids hear when walking down the street. Do these people not have better things to worry about?
I do have a petition in the shop if anybody wants to sign it.?
We already have 99% of the businesses supporting us and signed up.
I am at the store until 6 today if anybody wants to talk to me about the shop?
[quote][p][bold]hairy poppins[/bold] wrote: Maybe JonathanSpencer should set up a petition of his own. Given the support on here, i'm sure he'd get a good few signatures. Seeing as Mr Clewer is all for representing the views of his residents, local businesses and employers, I'm sure he'd be all for another Journal photo op of him doing his duty and accepting the petition from another band of concerned residents. Personally, as a father of two pre-school children, I'm not in the least bit concerned about this bright, fresh approachable shop. I'd rather that than the traditional grubby, dirty, papered over windows affair with old men shuffling in in trench coats. Ann Summers is equally as 'guilty' and in a worse position for little'uns eyes than tucked away down Fisherton street. I personally commend Mr Spencer for brightening up his shop - I'd not have a problem with having more like his. As a father, I'm more concerned by the roads, the policing situation, the jobs market, the language my kids hear when walking down the street. Do these people not have better things to worry about?[/p][/quote]I do have a petition in the shop if anybody wants to sign it.? We already have 99% of the businesses supporting us and signed up. I am at the store until 6 today if anybody wants to talk to me about the shop? jonathanspencer

11:58am Fri 5 Jul 13

KeithMandemant says...

Amazing! What Fantastical publicity for this local business. I like the new sign and design, much more appropriate.
Amazing! What Fantastical publicity for this local business. I like the new sign and design, much more appropriate. KeithMandemant

1:54pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Richard Clewer says...

Not at all Grampie,

I had been contacted already by a resident and as you can see here there are people who have strong views about issues like this. As a result I was not at all surprised when I heard there was a petition.

This is an issue around licensing and Councillors personal views are not relevant here to my mind. The job of a Councillor includes listening to and representing everyone as far as you can.
Not at all Grampie, I had been contacted already by a resident and as you can see here there are people who have strong views about issues like this. As a result I was not at all surprised when I heard there was a petition. This is an issue around licensing and Councillors personal views are not relevant here to my mind. The job of a Councillor includes listening to and representing everyone as far as you can. Richard Clewer

3:07pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Grampie says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
Not at all Grampie,

I had been contacted already by a resident and as you can see here there are people who have strong views about issues like this. As a result I was not at all surprised when I heard there was a petition.

This is an issue around licensing and Councillors personal views are not relevant here to my mind. The job of a Councillor includes listening to and representing everyone as far as you can.
I suppose it was a coincidence that a press camera man was there at the time that the petition was handed over.

I remind you again that you said "I am not at all surprised by the opposition to this display,” said cllr Clewer.

obviously agreeing with the sentiments of the petition, then you have back tracked on that position.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: Not at all Grampie, I had been contacted already by a resident and as you can see here there are people who have strong views about issues like this. As a result I was not at all surprised when I heard there was a petition. This is an issue around licensing and Councillors personal views are not relevant here to my mind. The job of a Councillor includes listening to and representing everyone as far as you can.[/p][/quote]I suppose it was a coincidence that a press camera man was there at the time that the petition was handed over. I remind you again that you said "I am not at all surprised by the opposition to this display,” said cllr Clewer. obviously agreeing with the sentiments of the petition, then you have back tracked on that position. Grampie

4:47pm Fri 5 Jul 13

karlmarx says...

Having seen all the fuss being made I couldn't resist a look (wife didn't buy that story either)
Can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. The shop looks bright and tidy, displays not offensive/suggestive
, same as in M and S I guess (experience of bring dragged around their smalls section)
Keep up the good work Mr Spencer your shop stands out well, you have done a good job there, well done!

What's that councillor petitioning for?
Save our police station? You know, something important!
Having seen all the fuss being made I couldn't resist a look (wife didn't buy that story either) Can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. The shop looks bright and tidy, displays not offensive/suggestive , same as in M and S I guess (experience of bring dragged around their smalls section) Keep up the good work Mr Spencer your shop stands out well, you have done a good job there, well done! What's that councillor petitioning for? Save our police station? You know, something important! karlmarx

5:47pm Fri 5 Jul 13

jonathanspencer says...

Unfortunately - even though the majority of opinion is supporting the change. I have had the licensing officer serve me a notice to turn it back to how it was.
Blacked out windows and overly large breasted mannequins it is then and the residents of Dell Road think their city is class!!!!.
If you didn't see it before have a look at google street view 105 fisherton street SP2 7SP
Please post your comments to the local Councillor if you agree with the licensing officers subjective opinion that it was better before the lick of paint and professional windows.
I have offered to meet with the head of licensing instead I get the licensing officer come into the store and in front of customers demand the changes immediately. The licensing officer continues to say there are complaints but refuses to substantiate or show me the hear say complaints.
Unfortunately - even though the majority of opinion is supporting the change. I have had the licensing officer serve me a notice to turn it back to how it was. Blacked out windows and overly large breasted mannequins it is then and the residents of Dell Road think their city is class!!!!. If you didn't see it before have a look at google street view 105 fisherton street SP2 7SP Please post your comments to the local Councillor if you agree with the licensing officers subjective opinion that it was better before the lick of paint and professional windows. I have offered to meet with the head of licensing instead I get the licensing officer come into the store and in front of customers demand the changes immediately. The licensing officer continues to say there are complaints but refuses to substantiate or show me the hear say complaints. jonathanspencer

6:25pm Fri 5 Jul 13

karlmarx says...

That's a shame Jonathan as it looked much more classier than the previous display. Not surprised though at the reaction from the council and their stormtroopers. Typical of them to discourage any real improvements to our city like your much improved shop and display.
I'll write to the idiots on your behalf
but, don't hold your breath, they ignore most of the citys residents.
Oh well, back to the 'classy' Chinese paving slabs, spot on!
That's a shame Jonathan as it looked much more classier than the previous display. Not surprised though at the reaction from the council and their stormtroopers. Typical of them to discourage any real improvements to our city like your much improved shop and display. I'll write to the idiots on your behalf but, don't hold your breath, they ignore most of the citys residents. Oh well, back to the 'classy' Chinese paving slabs, spot on! karlmarx

7:45pm Fri 5 Jul 13

jonathanspencer says...

Thank you to all those who phoned the shop and came in to sign the petition on support of our windows and the way the shop looks.
Unfortunately this council officers interpretation of the act that governs adult shops is unlike any I have ever occurred in the 12 years I have had shops. I have never had problems in the past.
The funny thing is is that if I got rid of the DVDs in the shop I could stock a full fetish shop without restriction with the windows wide open. And then put what I wanted in the window.
I try and make it nice and they screw you over because they simply do not like the shop.
The licensing officer said to me on meeting me for the first time 'i hate coming into these places' I think that says it all.
Thank you to all those who phoned the shop and came in to sign the petition on support of our windows and the way the shop looks. Unfortunately this council officers interpretation of the act that governs adult shops is unlike any I have ever occurred in the 12 years I have had shops. I have never had problems in the past. The funny thing is is that if I got rid of the DVDs in the shop I could stock a full fetish shop without restriction with the windows wide open. And then put what I wanted in the window. I try and make it nice and they screw you over because they simply do not like the shop. The licensing officer said to me on meeting me for the first time 'i hate coming into these places' I think that says it all. jonathanspencer

8:42pm Fri 5 Jul 13

clivem says...

"Keep calm n keep it up" are you talking about the British stiff upper lip. What does that mean mum/dad.If these people have a problem in replying to the children,
I dont see it as provocative or rood. I thought the pictures/posters would be 6feet hi, like in the chain stores... Please people, find a better cause to fight... Help local businesses they find it hard enough to stay open in this current climate... Good luck to the owner and his employies
"Keep calm n keep it up" are you talking about the British stiff upper lip. What does that mean mum/dad.If these people have a problem in replying to the children, I dont see it as provocative or rood. I thought the pictures/posters would be 6feet hi, like in the chain stores... Please people, find a better cause to fight... Help local businesses they find it hard enough to stay open in this current climate... Good luck to the owner and his employies clivem

9:11pm Fri 5 Jul 13

wolowizard says...

I'm surprised that those women haven't noticed the word 'tit' in petition?! perhaps they'll start a pointless campaign to have that changed too?
I'm surprised that those women haven't noticed the word 'tit' in petition?! perhaps they'll start a pointless campaign to have that changed too? wolowizard

10:16pm Fri 5 Jul 13

jonathanspencer says...

karlmarx wrote:
That's a shame Jonathan as it looked much more classier than the previous display. Not surprised though at the reaction from the council and their stormtroopers. Typical of them to discourage any real improvements to our city like your much improved shop and display.
I'll write to the idiots on your behalf
but, don't hold your breath, they ignore most of the citys residents.
Oh well, back to the 'classy' Chinese paving slabs, spot on!
Please email your comments directly to the senior licensing officer debbie.mulvey@wiltsh
ire.gov.uk they are required to respond within 14 days.
[quote][p][bold]karlmarx[/bold] wrote: That's a shame Jonathan as it looked much more classier than the previous display. Not surprised though at the reaction from the council and their stormtroopers. Typical of them to discourage any real improvements to our city like your much improved shop and display. I'll write to the idiots on your behalf but, don't hold your breath, they ignore most of the citys residents. Oh well, back to the 'classy' Chinese paving slabs, spot on![/p][/quote]Please email your comments directly to the senior licensing officer debbie.mulvey@wiltsh ire.gov.uk they are required to respond within 14 days. jonathanspencer

10:18pm Fri 5 Jul 13

karlmarx says...

It's hard enough already to keep a business solvent in Salisbury as we have seen recently with the latest redundancies and shop closures. When someone does take the time and effort to make their business more efficient they get kicked in the n**ts.
I thought the policy of the local council was to support local business?
It's hard enough already to keep a business solvent in Salisbury as we have seen recently with the latest redundancies and shop closures. When someone does take the time and effort to make their business more efficient they get kicked in the n**ts. I thought the policy of the local council was to support local business? karlmarx

10:21pm Fri 5 Jul 13

jonathanspencer says...

And please do as or there will be one more empty shop on Fisherton Steet, four employees on the dole, less business rates being paid, less VAT to the exchequer, less corporation tax paid and no annual license fee being paid to the council!
And please do as or there will be one more empty shop on Fisherton Steet, four employees on the dole, less business rates being paid, less VAT to the exchequer, less corporation tax paid and no annual license fee being paid to the council! jonathanspencer

11:14pm Fri 5 Jul 13

Simonleak says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
I am happy to accept a petition from anyone.

I had contacted licensing before I heard the petition was comming to me (after another resident had mentioned the issue).

I do think in all this we need to consider that different people have different views and they all have an equal right to express them. It is good to hear both sides of the debate.
Dear Councillor,
I have refrained from commenting on this until I have read the Act.
As a retired Magistrate I am intrigued to know how a council can single out this shop in such a way just because it pays a license fee. We have laws to protect people but this is an Act and not a Law.
If the local authority classes Lingerie as a sex related article then they have a duty to the public to enforce this. This means that they must enforce all retailers selling Lingerie and this would include Anne Summers, Marks and Spencer and such.
If the Licensing Department in Wiltshire have stated to the owner of this shop that Lingerie is a sex related article and then does not enforce other retailers their decision is unlawful.
Being a public body making unlawful decisions and/or actions would warrant a Judicial review.
In my eyes if any items for sale in Amazing Fantasy are restricted by the local authority and said items are available to buy elsewhere on the 'High Street' (within the area that this authority governs) then any enforcements of this nature would be subject to a Judicial review.
I have to ask myself if it is truly in the public interest to interpret this Act in such a way and I ask you as the local Councillor to oversee the 'right' course and avert a Judicial review.
I would recommend the owner to seek legal representation and advice on this matter. Wilson Barca in London are specialists in licensing law and I have noticed that they have won Judicial reviews against Westminster City Council relating to the Local Government Miscellaneous Act.
If they were displaying pornographic licensable goods in the window then it would be a different matter and I would support the petition and any license officers decision.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: I am happy to accept a petition from anyone. I had contacted licensing before I heard the petition was comming to me (after another resident had mentioned the issue). I do think in all this we need to consider that different people have different views and they all have an equal right to express them. It is good to hear both sides of the debate.[/p][/quote]Dear Councillor, I have refrained from commenting on this until I have read the Act. As a retired Magistrate I am intrigued to know how a council can single out this shop in such a way just because it pays a license fee. We have laws to protect people but this is an Act and not a Law. If the local authority classes Lingerie as a sex related article then they have a duty to the public to enforce this. This means that they must enforce all retailers selling Lingerie and this would include Anne Summers, Marks and Spencer and such. If the Licensing Department in Wiltshire have stated to the owner of this shop that Lingerie is a sex related article and then does not enforce other retailers their decision is unlawful. Being a public body making unlawful decisions and/or actions would warrant a Judicial review. In my eyes if any items for sale in Amazing Fantasy are restricted by the local authority and said items are available to buy elsewhere on the 'High Street' (within the area that this authority governs) then any enforcements of this nature would be subject to a Judicial review. I have to ask myself if it is truly in the public interest to interpret this Act in such a way and I ask you as the local Councillor to oversee the 'right' course and avert a Judicial review. I would recommend the owner to seek legal representation and advice on this matter. Wilson Barca in London are specialists in licensing law and I have noticed that they have won Judicial reviews against Westminster City Council relating to the Local Government Miscellaneous Act. If they were displaying pornographic licensable goods in the window then it would be a different matter and I would support the petition and any license officers decision. Simonleak

1:11am Sat 6 Jul 13

karlmarx says...

Thank you for your sensible and rational comment Simonleak.
Thank you for your sensible and rational comment Simonleak. karlmarx

2:10am Sat 6 Jul 13

IanMcL says...

"“I am not at all surprised by the opposition to this display,” said cllr Clewer.

New Headline....Councill
or gets Knickers in Twist
"“I am not at all surprised by the opposition to this display,” said cllr Clewer. New Headline....Councill or gets Knickers in Twist IanMcL

9:50am Sat 6 Jul 13

UKD003 says...

Based on his comments written by him to inferr he is neutral and believes people have equal right to express their views, then the Salisbury Journal needs to do an exact same photo op of Richard Klwer accepting the petition from the owner of AF, and also publish it on the front page.

Then this law firm from London can come down, review the legislation, and determine if what is going on is fair or not fair. If it is determined AF is not in compliance, ok, and then Kelwer must agree to also enfore it onto Ann Summers and M&S.

We must all live our lives fair and unbiased
Based on his comments written by him to inferr he is neutral and believes people have equal right to express their views, then the Salisbury Journal needs to do an exact same photo op of Richard Klwer accepting the petition from the owner of AF, and also publish it on the front page. Then this law firm from London can come down, review the legislation, and determine if what is going on is fair or not fair. If it is determined AF is not in compliance, ok, and then Kelwer must agree to also enfore it onto Ann Summers and M&S. We must all live our lives fair and unbiased UKD003

9:54am Sat 6 Jul 13

UKD003 says...

I just realised, I spelt Richard Clewer's name incorrectly, my mistake and my apology to him.
I just realised, I spelt Richard Clewer's name incorrectly, my mistake and my apology to him. UKD003

10:23am Sat 6 Jul 13

Neil R says...

I am very surprised that the licensing officer has interpreted the law in this manner.

Scanning through the act itself (http://www.wiltshir
e.gov.uk/sex_establi
shment_policy_and_re
gulations-2.pdf) - seems incredibly archaic.

A lot of the act is over 35 years old and pertains to language and terminology no longer used. It is clearly in need of an update and Wiltshire Council should pull their finger out and modernise it.

They are interpreting devolved powers at local level based on late 1970's mentality. Absolutely ridiculous.

Councillor Clewer - seeing as you like mugging in the Journal so much, perhaps you could pose for a photo with Mr Spencer in this week's edition, calling for licensing officers to revoke their decision and his petition in FAVOUR of the new look shop.

As local, (and more importantly) modern-thinking, residents - we ought to rally behind this and say 'no' to antiquated interpretations of the law and officers with clearly biased mindsets.
I am very surprised that the licensing officer has interpreted the law in this manner. Scanning through the act itself (http://www.wiltshir e.gov.uk/sex_establi shment_policy_and_re gulations-2.pdf) - seems incredibly archaic. A lot of the act is over 35 years old and pertains to language and terminology no longer used. It is clearly in need of an update and Wiltshire Council should pull their finger out and modernise it. They are interpreting devolved powers at local level based on late 1970's mentality. Absolutely ridiculous. Councillor Clewer - seeing as you like mugging in the Journal so much, perhaps you could pose for a photo with Mr Spencer in this week's edition, calling for licensing officers to revoke their decision and his petition in FAVOUR of the new look shop. As local, (and more importantly) modern-thinking, residents - we ought to rally behind this and say 'no' to antiquated interpretations of the law and officers with clearly biased mindsets. Neil R

1:38pm Sat 6 Jul 13

Grampie says...

IanMcL wrote:
"“I am not at all surprised by the opposition to this display,” said cllr Clewer.

New Headline....Councill

or gets Knickers in Twist
I would still like to know who asked for a camera operator to be there. Was it Mr Clewer or one of the residents? If it was Mr Clewer, he was not adopting a neutral view of the subject and was usong the petition as a publicity stunt.
[quote][p][bold]IanMcL[/bold] wrote: "“I am not at all surprised by the opposition to this display,” said cllr Clewer. New Headline....Councill or gets Knickers in Twist[/p][/quote]I would still like to know who asked for a camera operator to be there. Was it Mr Clewer or one of the residents? If it was Mr Clewer, he was not adopting a neutral view of the subject and was usong the petition as a publicity stunt. Grampie

8:28pm Sat 6 Jul 13

sarumpete47 says...

You just don't understand, Mr Clewer is a very busy man whose responsibilities appear to range from brown road signs, community campuses, ninja knitters and sex shops!

I am not in the least surprised that he has photographers following him around.

This must be a fast moving portfolio with a headline every day. Are the other Councillors keeping up? They seem to be very quiet on everything including closure of the Salisbury Police Station.
You just don't understand, Mr Clewer is a very busy man whose responsibilities appear to range from brown road signs, community campuses, ninja knitters and sex shops! I am not in the least surprised that he has photographers following him around. This must be a fast moving portfolio with a headline every day. Are the other Councillors keeping up? They seem to be very quiet on everything including closure of the Salisbury Police Station. sarumpete47

4:25pm Sun 7 Jul 13

Schoolmum999 says...

I walked past this shop with my husband and children on Saturday and have to say I can't see what all of the fuss is about. If the signage is legal, there can be no argument. It is the responsibility of local parents to teach their children that sex is perfectly natural and not something that we pretend doesn't happen. To politicize the argument by accepting the petition on camera, is a poor decision.
I walked past this shop with my husband and children on Saturday and have to say I can't see what all of the fuss is about. If the signage is legal, there can be no argument. It is the responsibility of local parents to teach their children that sex is perfectly natural and not something that we pretend doesn't happen. To politicize the argument by accepting the petition on camera, is a poor decision. Schoolmum999

4:28pm Sun 7 Jul 13

nesspah says...

Start a new petition atttim .......... Emma Royde to take over the comments ........... Karl and Gramps to be locked in the shop until they lighten up ...
Start a new petition atttim .......... Emma Royde to take over the comments ........... Karl and Gramps to be locked in the shop until they lighten up ... nesspah

5:10pm Sun 7 Jul 13

Grampie says...

nesspah wrote:
Start a new petition atttim .......... Emma Royde to take over the comments ........... Karl and Gramps to be locked in the shop until they lighten up ...
I have lightened up. Lost half a stone last month having a good old fashioned worry over nothing
[quote][p][bold]nesspah[/bold] wrote: Start a new petition atttim .......... Emma Royde to take over the comments ........... Karl and Gramps to be locked in the shop until they lighten up ...[/p][/quote]I have lightened up. Lost half a stone last month having a good old fashioned worry over nothing Grampie

10:36am Mon 8 Jul 13

KeithMandemant says...

Ok then we must all email to the following address if we really care about this.

Please email your comments directly to the senior licensing officer debbie.mulvey@wiltsh

ire.gov.uk they are required to respond within 14 days.
Ok then we must all email to the following address if we really care about this. Please email your comments directly to the senior licensing officer debbie.mulvey@wiltsh ire.gov.uk they are required to respond within 14 days. KeithMandemant

3:56pm Mon 8 Jul 13

jonathanspencer says...

Simonleak wrote:
Richard Clewer wrote:
I am happy to accept a petition from anyone.

I had contacted licensing before I heard the petition was comming to me (after another resident had mentioned the issue).

I do think in all this we need to consider that different people have different views and they all have an equal right to express them. It is good to hear both sides of the debate.
Dear Councillor,
I have refrained from commenting on this until I have read the Act.
As a retired Magistrate I am intrigued to know how a council can single out this shop in such a way just because it pays a license fee. We have laws to protect people but this is an Act and not a Law.
If the local authority classes Lingerie as a sex related article then they have a duty to the public to enforce this. This means that they must enforce all retailers selling Lingerie and this would include Anne Summers, Marks and Spencer and such.
If the Licensing Department in Wiltshire have stated to the owner of this shop that Lingerie is a sex related article and then does not enforce other retailers their decision is unlawful.
Being a public body making unlawful decisions and/or actions would warrant a Judicial review.
In my eyes if any items for sale in Amazing Fantasy are restricted by the local authority and said items are available to buy elsewhere on the 'High Street' (within the area that this authority governs) then any enforcements of this nature would be subject to a Judicial review.
I have to ask myself if it is truly in the public interest to interpret this Act in such a way and I ask you as the local Councillor to oversee the 'right' course and avert a Judicial review.
I would recommend the owner to seek legal representation and advice on this matter. Wilson Barca in London are specialists in licensing law and I have noticed that they have won Judicial reviews against Westminster City Council relating to the Local Government Miscellaneous Act.
If they were displaying pornographic licensable goods in the window then it would be a different matter and I would support the petition and any license officers decision.
Unfortunately I don't think I have the finances to fund a big law firm. But if they continue to restrict the shop then I have had advise to go the human rights court in Brussels as there are human rights laws that give you the right to 'earn an honest living'. There is no charge if you represent yourself.
We have a huge amount of support and signatory's on our petition and all of the businesses in the area have signed the petition. I will arrange to meet Councillor Clewer in the next week to present it to him but doubt very much the journal will be there to photograph the event!
Thank you for the advise.
[quote][p][bold]Simonleak[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: I am happy to accept a petition from anyone. I had contacted licensing before I heard the petition was comming to me (after another resident had mentioned the issue). I do think in all this we need to consider that different people have different views and they all have an equal right to express them. It is good to hear both sides of the debate.[/p][/quote]Dear Councillor, I have refrained from commenting on this until I have read the Act. As a retired Magistrate I am intrigued to know how a council can single out this shop in such a way just because it pays a license fee. We have laws to protect people but this is an Act and not a Law. If the local authority classes Lingerie as a sex related article then they have a duty to the public to enforce this. This means that they must enforce all retailers selling Lingerie and this would include Anne Summers, Marks and Spencer and such. If the Licensing Department in Wiltshire have stated to the owner of this shop that Lingerie is a sex related article and then does not enforce other retailers their decision is unlawful. Being a public body making unlawful decisions and/or actions would warrant a Judicial review. In my eyes if any items for sale in Amazing Fantasy are restricted by the local authority and said items are available to buy elsewhere on the 'High Street' (within the area that this authority governs) then any enforcements of this nature would be subject to a Judicial review. I have to ask myself if it is truly in the public interest to interpret this Act in such a way and I ask you as the local Councillor to oversee the 'right' course and avert a Judicial review. I would recommend the owner to seek legal representation and advice on this matter. Wilson Barca in London are specialists in licensing law and I have noticed that they have won Judicial reviews against Westminster City Council relating to the Local Government Miscellaneous Act. If they were displaying pornographic licensable goods in the window then it would be a different matter and I would support the petition and any license officers decision.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I don't think I have the finances to fund a big law firm. But if they continue to restrict the shop then I have had advise to go the human rights court in Brussels as there are human rights laws that give you the right to 'earn an honest living'. There is no charge if you represent yourself. We have a huge amount of support and signatory's on our petition and all of the businesses in the area have signed the petition. I will arrange to meet Councillor Clewer in the next week to present it to him but doubt very much the journal will be there to photograph the event! Thank you for the advise. jonathanspencer

4:09pm Mon 8 Jul 13

Simonleak says...

jonathanspencer wrote:
Simonleak wrote:
Richard Clewer wrote:
I am happy to accept a petition from anyone.

I had contacted licensing before I heard the petition was comming to me (after another resident had mentioned the issue).

I do think in all this we need to consider that different people have different views and they all have an equal right to express them. It is good to hear both sides of the debate.
Dear Councillor,
I have refrained from commenting on this until I have read the Act.
As a retired Magistrate I am intrigued to know how a council can single out this shop in such a way just because it pays a license fee. We have laws to protect people but this is an Act and not a Law.
If the local authority classes Lingerie as a sex related article then they have a duty to the public to enforce this. This means that they must enforce all retailers selling Lingerie and this would include Anne Summers, Marks and Spencer and such.
If the Licensing Department in Wiltshire have stated to the owner of this shop that Lingerie is a sex related article and then does not enforce other retailers their decision is unlawful.
Being a public body making unlawful decisions and/or actions would warrant a Judicial review.
In my eyes if any items for sale in Amazing Fantasy are restricted by the local authority and said items are available to buy elsewhere on the 'High Street' (within the area that this authority governs) then any enforcements of this nature would be subject to a Judicial review.
I have to ask myself if it is truly in the public interest to interpret this Act in such a way and I ask you as the local Councillor to oversee the 'right' course and avert a Judicial review.
I would recommend the owner to seek legal representation and advice on this matter. Wilson Barca in London are specialists in licensing law and I have noticed that they have won Judicial reviews against Westminster City Council relating to the Local Government Miscellaneous Act.
If they were displaying pornographic licensable goods in the window then it would be a different matter and I would support the petition and any license officers decision.
Unfortunately I don't think I have the finances to fund a big law firm. But if they continue to restrict the shop then I have had advise to go the human rights court in Brussels as there are human rights laws that give you the right to 'earn an honest living'. There is no charge if you represent yourself.
We have a huge amount of support and signatory's on our petition and all of the businesses in the area have signed the petition. I will arrange to meet Councillor Clewer in the next week to present it to him but doubt very much the journal will be there to photograph the event!
Thank you for the advise.
It would be worth calling Wilson Barca Solicitors. They may look into the case and if they strongly agree that unlawful decisions are made by the council officer or discriminatory actions against the shop (because it is licensed) they may offer a 'no win no fee'.
A Judicial review would be highly profitable for a law firm as (if the case is won) all costs are awarded immediately back to the claimant and representatives.
It's worth a phone call at least.
I gather from your message that Councillor Clewer hasn't been in contact to mediate at this stage?
I came to have a good look at your window on Sunday and there is nothing I can see that is offensive or in breach of a license in any way.
Good luck and may common sense prevail!
[quote][p][bold]jonathanspencer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simonleak[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: I am happy to accept a petition from anyone. I had contacted licensing before I heard the petition was comming to me (after another resident had mentioned the issue). I do think in all this we need to consider that different people have different views and they all have an equal right to express them. It is good to hear both sides of the debate.[/p][/quote]Dear Councillor, I have refrained from commenting on this until I have read the Act. As a retired Magistrate I am intrigued to know how a council can single out this shop in such a way just because it pays a license fee. We have laws to protect people but this is an Act and not a Law. If the local authority classes Lingerie as a sex related article then they have a duty to the public to enforce this. This means that they must enforce all retailers selling Lingerie and this would include Anne Summers, Marks and Spencer and such. If the Licensing Department in Wiltshire have stated to the owner of this shop that Lingerie is a sex related article and then does not enforce other retailers their decision is unlawful. Being a public body making unlawful decisions and/or actions would warrant a Judicial review. In my eyes if any items for sale in Amazing Fantasy are restricted by the local authority and said items are available to buy elsewhere on the 'High Street' (within the area that this authority governs) then any enforcements of this nature would be subject to a Judicial review. I have to ask myself if it is truly in the public interest to interpret this Act in such a way and I ask you as the local Councillor to oversee the 'right' course and avert a Judicial review. I would recommend the owner to seek legal representation and advice on this matter. Wilson Barca in London are specialists in licensing law and I have noticed that they have won Judicial reviews against Westminster City Council relating to the Local Government Miscellaneous Act. If they were displaying pornographic licensable goods in the window then it would be a different matter and I would support the petition and any license officers decision.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately I don't think I have the finances to fund a big law firm. But if they continue to restrict the shop then I have had advise to go the human rights court in Brussels as there are human rights laws that give you the right to 'earn an honest living'. There is no charge if you represent yourself. We have a huge amount of support and signatory's on our petition and all of the businesses in the area have signed the petition. I will arrange to meet Councillor Clewer in the next week to present it to him but doubt very much the journal will be there to photograph the event! Thank you for the advise.[/p][/quote]It would be worth calling Wilson Barca Solicitors. They may look into the case and if they strongly agree that unlawful decisions are made by the council officer or discriminatory actions against the shop (because it is licensed) they may offer a 'no win no fee'. A Judicial review would be highly profitable for a law firm as (if the case is won) all costs are awarded immediately back to the claimant and representatives. It's worth a phone call at least. I gather from your message that Councillor Clewer hasn't been in contact to mediate at this stage? I came to have a good look at your window on Sunday and there is nothing I can see that is offensive or in breach of a license in any way. Good luck and may common sense prevail! Simonleak

4:51pm Mon 8 Jul 13

AuraTodd says...

It's to be expected from a religious city, some churchy people even protested against Ann Summers.
It's to be expected from a religious city, some churchy people even protested against Ann Summers. AuraTodd

5:16pm Mon 8 Jul 13

jonathanspencer says...

AuraTodd wrote:
It's to be expected from a religious city, some churchy people even protested against Ann Summers.
Because Ann Summers is a multimillion pound business no council has the balls to take them on and challenge them on their sex shop status.
We pay councils a license fee to operate our shops.
We have the same window graphics in all of our shops and no body has ever complained.
The Keep Calm and Keep It Up is our brand and we have vending machines in family pubs with it on and have never had a complaint.
Bournemouth is one of the most conservative towns in the UK and you would think the shop there would have a complaint but nothing at all is said.
It's just strange that when asked why it's not acceptable the answer was 'because it's Salisbury' and 'people in Salisbury do not like things like that' I am sure 'they' would still be burning at the stake pharmacists and doctors as witches or castration or imprisonment for all homosexuals if they had there way.
[quote][p][bold]AuraTodd[/bold] wrote: It's to be expected from a religious city, some churchy people even protested against Ann Summers.[/p][/quote]Because Ann Summers is a multimillion pound business no council has the balls to take them on and challenge them on their sex shop status. We pay councils a license fee to operate our shops. We have the same window graphics in all of our shops and no body has ever complained. The Keep Calm and Keep It Up is our brand and we have vending machines in family pubs with it on and have never had a complaint. Bournemouth is one of the most conservative towns in the UK and you would think the shop there would have a complaint but nothing at all is said. It's just strange that when asked why it's not acceptable the answer was 'because it's Salisbury' and 'people in Salisbury do not like things like that' I am sure 'they' would still be burning at the stake pharmacists and doctors as witches or castration or imprisonment for all homosexuals if they had there way. jonathanspencer

6:10pm Mon 8 Jul 13

gingin says...

For goodness sake hasn't this gone far enough? If the majority of comments are truthful then this is no worse than M&S or Anne Summers. Why does Salisbury have to live in the past? If you don't like it then don't look and don't make children your excuse for trying to fire up hatred.

Go and protest against a cause worthy of your efforts for example why is there such an increase in families needing help from food banks. I suggest you ask Cllr. Clewer to take that up via the MP as it is happening on his watch!!

As in a previous issue we do seem to have Richard Clewer having an awful amount of space in the Journal for his comments. Salisbury Area Board has a new chairman and a different mix of coincillors since the election so it would be prudent to obtain comments from other members.

Note to the Journal - do your job properly and stop being so politically biased!
For goodness sake hasn't this gone far enough? If the majority of comments are truthful then this is no worse than M&S or Anne Summers. Why does Salisbury have to live in the past? If you don't like it then don't look and don't make children your excuse for trying to fire up hatred. Go and protest against a cause worthy of your efforts for example why is there such an increase in families needing help from food banks. I suggest you ask Cllr. Clewer to take that up via the MP as it is happening on his watch!! As in a previous issue we do seem to have Richard Clewer having an awful amount of space in the Journal for his comments. Salisbury Area Board has a new chairman and a different mix of coincillors since the election so it would be prudent to obtain comments from other members. Note to the Journal - do your job properly and stop being so politically biased! gingin

12:29pm Tue 9 Jul 13

Dr S Brule says...

I agree with the sentiments expressed. Personally I think shops should be allowed to disply whatever they like on the front, provided the landlord is ok with it.

re: Gingin. To be fair to the journal, Clewer posts here off his own back.

Perhaps a salisbury journal - sponsored online question time would be good?
I agree with the sentiments expressed. Personally I think shops should be allowed to disply whatever they like on the front, provided the landlord is ok with it. re: Gingin. To be fair to the journal, Clewer posts here off his own back. Perhaps a salisbury journal - sponsored online question time would be good? Dr S Brule

2:51pm Tue 9 Jul 13

Blackandred says...

More small-minded people and do-gooders wasting everybodies time. If you want to 'protect' your children from the display in the shop window, then perhaps you shouldn't hang around outside with them quite so much.
More small-minded people and do-gooders wasting everybodies time. If you want to 'protect' your children from the display in the shop window, then perhaps you shouldn't hang around outside with them quite so much. Blackandred

10:14am Wed 10 Jul 13

geoffp says...

You have to wonder what is more likely to corrupt childrens minds - being denied knowledge about sex, one of the most basic human functions, or having it as just another natural part of everyday life.

I expect many of the people opposing it are Christians who would indoctrinate their children with insidious lies about heaven and hell - something I would consider child abuse.
You have to wonder what is more likely to corrupt childrens minds - being denied knowledge about sex, one of the most basic human functions, or having it as just another natural part of everyday life. I expect many of the people opposing it are Christians who would indoctrinate their children with insidious lies about heaven and hell - something I would consider child abuse. geoffp

10:34am Wed 10 Jul 13

hittyprebel says...

I think we also have a duty to protect chubby people so I'm starting a petition to remove all cakes and pastries from the display in Greggs and Reeves. Actually I also hate DIY so I'm having B&Q & Homebase knocked down and replaced with a garden of remembrance..and what about our precious youngsters getting the urge to put all their pocket money on the 2:15 at Sandown..close the bookies I say! My neighbour Albert lost a foot in the war and he can't walk past the shoe shop without being reminded about feet so I'm painting over all the shoe shop windows later..he also thinks Boots are taking the mick & should be renamed Boot so the new sign is ordered for them as well. Anyone on benefits will be protected from looking at expensive jewellery so those windows can be boarded up too with a sign saying poor people bog off and citizens with a fear of flying can expect curtains drawn at the travel agents with a video screen showing kittens playing with a cotton reel...the worlds gone mad
I think we also have a duty to protect chubby people so I'm starting a petition to remove all cakes and pastries from the display in Greggs and Reeves. Actually I also hate DIY so I'm having B&Q & Homebase knocked down and replaced with a garden of remembrance..and what about our precious youngsters getting the urge to put all their pocket money on the 2:15 at Sandown..close the bookies I say! My neighbour Albert lost a foot in the war and he can't walk past the shoe shop without being reminded about feet so I'm painting over all the shoe shop windows later..he also thinks Boots are taking the mick & should be renamed Boot so the new sign is ordered for them as well. Anyone on benefits will be protected from looking at expensive jewellery so those windows can be boarded up too with a sign saying poor people bog off and citizens with a fear of flying can expect curtains drawn at the travel agents with a video screen showing kittens playing with a cotton reel...the worlds gone mad hittyprebel

10:54am Wed 10 Jul 13

hittyprebel says...

so let's get this straight the new shop front with it's fresh new 'corporate' logo and clean look displaying ladies frilly undergarments is NOT allowed, it's forbidden by Richard..he hates it...it's banned...ok we get it...but...

..a darkened and may we say slightly dingy? window with massive letters saying "LICENSED SEX SHOP" "ADULT TOYS" etc is the preferred option? .

It could be argued that the 'after' has the appearance of a major retailing chain breathing new life into the local economy and the 'before' looks like something tucked away down a urine soaked alleyway in Soho attracting seedy fellows in overcoats.

Who would have thought this shop would have attracted knockers?
so let's get this straight [no pun intended insert your own saucy postcard here] the new shop front with it's fresh new 'corporate' logo and clean look displaying ladies frilly undergarments is NOT allowed, it's forbidden by Richard..he hates it...it's banned...ok we get it...but... ..a darkened and may we say slightly dingy? window with massive letters saying "LICENSED SEX SHOP" "ADULT TOYS" etc is the preferred option? [google maps]. It could be argued that the 'after' has the appearance of a major retailing chain breathing new life into the local economy and the 'before' looks like something tucked away down a urine soaked alleyway in Soho attracting seedy fellows in overcoats. Who would have thought this shop would have attracted knockers? hittyprebel

12:14pm Wed 10 Jul 13

Grampie says...

Well said hittyprebel
Well said hittyprebel Grampie

4:03am Fri 12 Jul 13

IanMcL says...

"re: Gingin. To be fair to the journal, Clewer posts here off his own back."

The Journal seems obsessed with taking pictures of the same councillor pointing at pot holes, waving a 40 signature petition and numerous other weekly happenings. When the world of comment ignites is when the responses come in.

Most councillors report pot holes, accept petitions or take up licensing or any other issues quietly, without recourse to the Journal, unless they seek you out.

Perhaps there is a bet on...can you get pictured in the journal more than the mayor of Salisbury?

He's winning by the length of his petition.

Come on Mayor - come on on the railings.

(Not those pictured with knitting last week though!)
"re: Gingin. To be fair to the journal, Clewer posts here off his own back." The Journal seems obsessed with taking pictures of the same councillor pointing at pot holes, waving a 40 signature petition and numerous other weekly happenings. When the world of comment ignites is when the responses come in. Most councillors report pot holes, accept petitions or take up licensing or any other issues quietly, without recourse to the Journal, unless they seek you out. Perhaps there is a bet on...can you get pictured in the journal more than the mayor of Salisbury? He's winning by the length of his petition. Come on Mayor - come on on the railings. (Not those pictured with knitting last week though!) IanMcL

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