Supermarket will 'improve' flooding, developers claim

A similar Sainsbury's store recently opened in Penzance

Recent flooding in Southampton Road

The proposed layout of the new development

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THE developers behind a supermarket planned for land off Southampton Road say the proposal will make flooding in the area better rather than worse, despite the concerns of people living nearby.

The multi-million pound Salisbury Gateway project aims to build a Sainsbury’s store opposite the Tesco supermarket as well as an eight-pump petrol station and a 12-acre wildlife and wetlands area.

There will also be changes to Southampton Road, including modifications to the College and Bourne Way roundabouts at either end of the stretch.

An initial planning application for the project, which will create 400 jobs, was submitted in June 2012 but withdrawn following public consultation.

Another round of consultation was undertaken last year, and the developers are now looking to submit a second proposal in the next few weeks, which they say will alleviate flooding in the nearby area, which has been underwater for several weeks following recent bad weather.

Ian Culverhouse, director of developer Salisbury Site LLP, said: “We have listened to the comments we have had from the public.

“It will be better for our neighbours in Southampton Road in terms of flooding and there is nothing that will make it worse.”

The plan is to level out a car park that was sloping on the previous plan, which Salisbury Site LLP says will create an increased water storage capacity equivalent to five-anda- half Olympic-sized swimming pools.

And drainage pools will be included in the wetlands area, filtering water gradually back into the River Avon.

The new proposal also includes a lefthand filter lane to take traffic coming from the Alderbury direction off the road before it reaches the Bourne Way r o u n d a b o u t , where there would be another exit added to help ease traffic congestion in the area.

A new bus stop would be put in close to the store entrance.

Public access to the nature area would be restricted, with a walkway being put in to protect the area while allowing maximum views towards the cathedral.

A presentation on the plans is due to be given at a meeting of Clarendon Parish Council at the Holy Family Chapel in Whaddon at 6pm tomorrow.

Anyone is welcome to attend.

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12:58pm Thu 27 Feb 14

karlmarx says...

Where are they going to put the ferry terminal?
Where are they going to put the ferry terminal? karlmarx
  • Score: 7

1:57pm Thu 27 Feb 14

RichA says...

We already have the "wetland wildlife park" it's been there for centuries - so that is nothing new. Another rank of fuel pumps - within 50 metres of Tesco's?? planning stupidity of some proportion. What is most concerning is the number of extra vehicles that will be attracted down the Southampton Road. It is already saturated for most of the day and will get (as usual) much worse in summer. It must be the most crowded piece of road in South Wiltshire. Tweaking the roundabouts won't help at all, that stretch of road needs a major overhaul in design to allow for the large number of exits and entrances onto the main carriageways. Salisbury City Council, the folks that brought you an industrial estate on the wrong side of the railway tracks and and the "road to nowhere" the edifice to planning ****-ups. Beware people, Sainsburys have already spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on this, they are not likely to go easily. Our voices need to be heard.
We already have the "wetland wildlife park" it's been there for centuries - so that is nothing new. Another rank of fuel pumps - within 50 metres of Tesco's?? planning stupidity of some proportion. What is most concerning is the number of extra vehicles that will be attracted down the Southampton Road. It is already saturated for most of the day and will get (as usual) much worse in summer. It must be the most crowded piece of road in South Wiltshire. Tweaking the roundabouts won't help at all, that stretch of road needs a major overhaul in design to allow for the large number of exits and entrances onto the main carriageways. Salisbury City Council, the folks that brought you an industrial estate on the wrong side of the railway tracks and and the "road to nowhere" the edifice to planning ****-ups. Beware people, Sainsburys have already spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on this, they are not likely to go easily. Our voices need to be heard. RichA
  • Score: 26

2:22pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BarryScot says...

This is one of funniest things I've read in sometime - thanks Sainsburys.

Recommend everyone who can travels to Whaddon tomorrow - beware of flooded roads on way though!

So they're planning on building on land which is already flooding, but cannot see how this will make matters worse? Really? Drainage pools are all very nice but they have to drain somewhere. At present, the meadows are overflowing not only across Salisbury but across entire South West. Modifying existing roundabouts will make very little difference, especially with increased traffic and freight for the site.

The idea of a wildlife and wetland site is a joke - there already is a very wetland site along there - is it going to be built on stilts to cope?

Hope as many people can attend Whaddon but afraid the late notice and obscure location may be purposefully difficult for many to attend.

Shame on you Sainsburys for your poor joke at this sensitive time when many are bailing water from their back door.
This is one of funniest things I've read in sometime - thanks Sainsburys. Recommend everyone who can travels to Whaddon tomorrow - beware of flooded roads on way though! So they're planning on building on land which is already flooding, but cannot see how this will make matters worse? Really? Drainage pools are all very nice but they have to drain somewhere. At present, the meadows are overflowing not only across Salisbury but across entire South West. Modifying existing roundabouts will make very little difference, especially with increased traffic and freight for the site. The idea of a wildlife and wetland site is a joke - there already is a very wetland site along there - is it going to be built on stilts to cope? Hope as many people can attend Whaddon but afraid the late notice and obscure location may be purposefully difficult for many to attend. Shame on you Sainsburys for your poor joke at this sensitive time when many are bailing water from their back door. BarryScot
  • Score: 25

3:02pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Morello says...

They'll get their planning permission by walking all over Wiltshire Council.

Please could we have a Section 106 attached stating that Sainsbury's CEO has to sit in the middle of the inevitable flood until it subsides.
They'll get their planning permission by walking all over Wiltshire Council. Please could we have a Section 106 attached stating that Sainsbury's CEO has to sit in the middle of the inevitable flood until it subsides. Morello
  • Score: 15

4:52pm Thu 27 Feb 14

gingin says...

I hope they are joking, it's a nonsense to even consider building on that land!
I hope they are joking, it's a nonsense to even consider building on that land! gingin
  • Score: 19

5:56pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Harnhamite says...

The only beneficiary of this application would be Sainsbury's; certainly not the poor people who will get the flood water they displace or the beleaguered drivers using the Southampton Road. We need a policy of no more building on our flood plains without exceptionally good reason and certainly not for a totally unnecessary supermarket.
The only beneficiary of this application would be Sainsbury's; certainly not the poor people who will get the flood water they displace or the beleaguered drivers using the Southampton Road. We need a policy of no more building on our flood plains without exceptionally good reason and certainly not for a totally unnecessary supermarket. Harnhamite
  • Score: 16

7:10pm Thu 27 Feb 14

doppelganger says...

I know many people feel it is such a ridiculous location that it will not get passed but unless everyone makes their objections known by objecting , it will get waived through when it reaches the final planning permission stages, which I believe happens in Swindon. (Sadly not in Salisbury, who I think would be on our side!!!) Apart from the flooding issues and the road problems, what is NOT taken in to account is all the extra traffic that will happen when all the new housing is built to the north/north west and west of Salisbury! Several thousand extra cars coming across Salisbury once or twice a week!! And no, they will not use bikes/buses or walk!!! The Southampton Road would benefit dramatically if people could shop on the other side of Salisbury. Also, the tinkering with the College Street roundabout will be largely ineffective as most of us know! The traffic will look for short cuts !! We can fight this but we need to make sure our voices are heard for the sake of our city and our future
I know many people feel it is such a ridiculous location that it will not get passed but unless everyone makes their objections known by objecting , it will get waived through when it reaches the final planning permission stages, which I believe happens in Swindon. (Sadly not in Salisbury, who I think would be on our side!!!) Apart from the flooding issues and the road problems, what is NOT taken in to account is all the extra traffic that will happen when all the new housing is built to the north/north west and west of Salisbury! Several thousand extra cars coming across Salisbury once or twice a week!! And no, they will not use bikes/buses or walk!!! The Southampton Road would benefit dramatically if people could shop on the other side of Salisbury. Also, the tinkering with the College Street roundabout will be largely ineffective as most of us know! The traffic will look for short cuts !! We can fight this but we need to make sure our voices are heard for the sake of our city and our future doppelganger
  • Score: 18

7:18pm Thu 27 Feb 14

RichA says...

Well said doppelganger, As you say words here are only the start, we need to petition our local planning team. Contact info here

http://cms.wiltshire
.gov.uk/mgCommitteeM
ailingList.aspx?EM=1
&ID=148
Well said doppelganger, As you say words here are only the start, we need to petition our local planning team. Contact info here http://cms.wiltshire .gov.uk/mgCommitteeM ailingList.aspx?EM=1 &ID=148 RichA
  • Score: 7

7:47pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Aethernet says...

I will be opposing this unbelievably stupid proposal, and encouraging others to do the same.
I will be opposing this unbelievably stupid proposal, and encouraging others to do the same. Aethernet
  • Score: 12

8:08pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Grampie says...

A presentation on the plans is due to be given at a meeting of Clarendon Parish Council at the Holy Family Chapel in Whaddon at 6pm tomorrow.

I hope that all those who oppose this attend.
A presentation on the plans is due to be given at a meeting of Clarendon Parish Council at the Holy Family Chapel in Whaddon at 6pm tomorrow. I hope that all those who oppose this attend. Grampie
  • Score: 7

8:21pm Thu 27 Feb 14

HappyChappie15 says...

This is nonsense. There is no need for another supermarket on Southampton Road. The volume of traffic and congestion is horrific now.
New supermarket is probably needed on London Road/ Devizes Road areas.
So why persist with a planning application for Southampton Road?
And this development will reduce flooding problem? Really?What engineering explanation has been put forward for this argument? An underground water storage facility by levelling off a car park?
This is nonsense. There is no need for another supermarket on Southampton Road. The volume of traffic and congestion is horrific now. New supermarket is probably needed on London Road/ Devizes Road areas. So why persist with a planning application for Southampton Road? And this development will reduce flooding problem? Really?What engineering explanation has been put forward for this argument? An underground water storage facility by levelling off a car park? HappyChappie15
  • Score: 11

9:09pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Schoolmum999 says...

I'd love to be able to come and support the campaign against this ridiculous plan, but 24 hours notice is just not enough for me to arrange a child sitter. I imagine this will be Sainsbury's excuse for local consultation. They should be ashamed.

No sight of a councillor above. Come on councillors, time for you to step up and fight this proposal for the good of Salisbury. Please let us know how many turn up tomorrow.
I'd love to be able to come and support the campaign against this ridiculous plan, but 24 hours notice is just not enough for me to arrange a child sitter. I imagine this will be Sainsbury's excuse for local consultation. They should be ashamed. No sight of a councillor above. Come on councillors, time for you to step up and fight this proposal for the good of Salisbury. Please let us know how many turn up tomorrow. Schoolmum999
  • Score: 11

10:04pm Thu 27 Feb 14

journalist1 says...

Councillors have to be careful what they say. If they are on the planning committee and they speak out against something in advance they can be held to be prejudiced. They might agree that it's ridiculous, they just can't say so yet.
Councillors have to be careful what they say. If they are on the planning committee and they speak out against something in advance they can be held to be prejudiced. They might agree that it's ridiculous, they just can't say so yet. journalist1
  • Score: 2

10:19pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Aethernet says...

I won't be able to get to Whaddon for 6pm. I'll be stuck in traffic. On the Southampton Road. Morons.
I won't be able to get to Whaddon for 6pm. I'll be stuck in traffic. On the Southampton Road. Morons. Aethernet
  • Score: 14

5:17am Fri 28 Feb 14

karlmarx says...

"And drainage pools will be included in the wetlands area, filtering water gradually back into the River Avon."?

Really?, I think you will find that nature takes its own course and the River Avon will be 'filtering' water into your drainage pools, car park, store, ark...
"And drainage pools will be included in the wetlands area, filtering water gradually back into the River Avon."? Really?, I think you will find that nature takes its own course and the River Avon will be 'filtering' water into your drainage pools, car park, store, ark... karlmarx
  • Score: 11

9:25am Fri 28 Feb 14

AuraTodd says...

I think Sainsburys are detirmined to do it anyway, no matter what we say!
I think Sainsburys are detirmined to do it anyway, no matter what we say! AuraTodd
  • Score: 7

9:56am Fri 28 Feb 14

RichA says...

They are going to try because they are in business, but it is our civil responsibility to keep our city as free and open as we can. If we all stand back they will tread all over us. We must all speak up and object, tell our local elected representatives why we don't want this monster making the Southampton Road even worse than it is. This is our only chance to move it somewhere else. A new Sainsburys is fine in Salisbury but not at the end of the most congested road in the area and impinging on part of our beautiful water meadows. Don't be fooled by the wetlands wildlife park - we already have one - right there where they want to build.
They are going to try because they are in business, but it is our civil responsibility to keep our city as free and open as we can. If we all stand back they will tread all over us. We must all speak up and object, tell our local elected representatives why we don't want this monster making the Southampton Road even worse than it is. This is our only chance to move it somewhere else. A new Sainsburys is fine in Salisbury but not at the end of the most congested road in the area and impinging on part of our beautiful water meadows. Don't be fooled by the wetlands wildlife park - we already have one - right there where they want to build. RichA
  • Score: 12

10:02am Fri 28 Feb 14

AuraTodd says...

They don't care about the poor wildlife do they?
They don't care about the poor wildlife do they? AuraTodd
  • Score: 3

7:46pm Fri 28 Feb 14

nesspah says...

Looks like Sainsbury are serious about this project. It's big enough that the Strategic Planning Committee will judge it & we already know that there's only one Salisbury councillor on that panel.

If people really want to object, they'll need some proper "material planning considerations" so Google it and swot up on the facts. Saying we'd prefer Morrisons or a shop on the other side of the city carries no weight.

A really rare snail in the water meadows could stop it dead though.
Looks like Sainsbury are serious about this project. It's big enough that the Strategic Planning Committee will judge it & we already know that there's only one Salisbury councillor on that panel. If people really want to object, they'll need some proper "material planning considerations" so Google it and swot up on the facts. Saying we'd prefer Morrisons or a shop on the other side of the city carries no weight. A really rare snail in the water meadows could stop it dead though. nesspah
  • Score: 10

10:46pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Schoolmum999 says...

Anyone got any really rare snails for sale?
Anyone got any really rare snails for sale? Schoolmum999
  • Score: 9

10:53pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Schoolmum999 says...

How did the meeting go?
How did the meeting go? Schoolmum999
  • Score: 6

10:38am Sat 1 Mar 14

doppelganger says...

nesspah wrote:
Looks like Sainsbury are serious about this project. It's big enough that the Strategic Planning Committee will judge it & we already know that there's only one Salisbury councillor on that panel.

If people really want to object, they'll need some proper "material planning considerations" so Google it and swot up on the facts. Saying we'd prefer Morrisons or a shop on the other side of the city carries no weight.

A really rare snail in the water meadows could stop it dead though.
Thanks for that advice Nesspah! When the planning application is submitted, we need to make sure that this info is well advertised for for those who wish to object so that they ensure they object for valid reasons. Personally, I would say the traffic issues are massive (particularly as it does not take into account all the extra traffic that will be brought on to the Southampton Road when the new houses are built on the other side of town and they have to drive over to the opposite side to shop and the flood issues. I am sure the people downstream will be extremely worried! I would love to know what happened at the meeting as well!
[quote][p][bold]nesspah[/bold] wrote: Looks like Sainsbury are serious about this project. It's big enough that the Strategic Planning Committee will judge it & we already know that there's only one Salisbury councillor on that panel. If people really want to object, they'll need some proper "material planning considerations" so Google it and swot up on the facts. Saying we'd prefer Morrisons or a shop on the other side of the city carries no weight. A really rare snail in the water meadows could stop it dead though.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that advice Nesspah! When the planning application is submitted, we need to make sure that this info is well advertised for for those who wish to object so that they ensure they object for valid reasons. Personally, I would say the traffic issues are massive (particularly as it does not take into account all the extra traffic that will be brought on to the Southampton Road when the new houses are built on the other side of town and they have to drive over to the opposite side to shop and the flood issues. I am sure the people downstream will be extremely worried! I would love to know what happened at the meeting as well! doppelganger
  • Score: 4

12:06pm Sat 1 Mar 14

virage says...

Time for the Northern Bypass!!!
Time for the Northern Bypass!!! virage
  • Score: 3

10:12pm Sat 1 Mar 14

LBSmith says...

virage wrote:
Time for the Northern Bypass!!!
Sorry, the route of the northern by-pass presently has Barratts building 500 houses on it.
[quote][p][bold]virage[/bold] wrote: Time for the Northern Bypass!!![/p][/quote]Sorry, the route of the northern by-pass presently has Barratts building 500 houses on it. LBSmith
  • Score: 5

2:47pm Tue 4 Mar 14

doppelganger says...

I have just seen that the Sainsbury planners are doing a presentation on Thursday 13th March at 6.30 (doors open at 6) at South Wilts Grammar School as part of the Salisbury Area Board meeting.
I have just seen that the Sainsbury planners are doing a presentation on Thursday 13th March at 6.30 (doors open at 6) at South Wilts Grammar School as part of the Salisbury Area Board meeting. doppelganger
  • Score: 2

7:50pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Schoolmum999 says...

Thanks for the heads up. The more people who attend and let the developers know what we think, the better!
Thanks for the heads up. The more people who attend and let the developers know what we think, the better! Schoolmum999
  • Score: 4

12:32pm Wed 5 Mar 14

karlmarx says...

virage wrote:
Time for the Northern Bypass!!!
Plus the Avon Valley is currently underwater so a ferry crossing would also be needed or a very high and long flyover spanning the valley, nice.
[quote][p][bold]virage[/bold] wrote: Time for the Northern Bypass!!![/p][/quote]Plus the Avon Valley is currently underwater so a ferry crossing would also be needed or a very high and long flyover spanning the valley, nice. karlmarx
  • Score: 1

12:59pm Wed 5 Mar 14

RichA says...

Absolutely schoolmum999, but it is also very important and more effective if we write to our local elected member and/or the planning committee to formally object. Sainsburys will take any amount of flak, they've invested tens of thousands in this already, they won't be affected by a bit of argy bargy at the meeting. However the people who make the decision on our behalf about whether Sainsburys get permission or not need to be told.
Absolutely schoolmum999, but it is also very important and more effective if we write to our local elected member and/or the planning committee to formally object. Sainsburys will take any amount of flak, they've invested tens of thousands in this already, they won't be affected by a bit of argy bargy at the meeting. However the people who make the decision on our behalf about whether Sainsburys get permission or not need to be told. RichA
  • Score: 0

8:19pm Wed 5 Mar 14

wood2burn says...

The grounds for objection are that this development is not in the Local Plan which sets out the strategic development for Wiltshire.
The grounds for objection are that this development is not in the Local Plan which sets out the strategic development for Wiltshire. wood2burn
  • Score: 0

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