Move to hand Market Place over to city

Salisbury Journal: Salisbury Market Place Salisbury Market Place

WILTSHIRE Council has been asked to transfer ownership of Salisbury's Market Place to the city council.

Salisbury city councillor Atiqul Hoque has sent a letter to the county council formally requesting the area be handed over.

He said: It is time to do something about it and everybody I have spoken to is happy for me to move forward with this proposal.

“We are doing this for the people of the city, many of whom are surprised that it doesn't belong to the city. It will be a great thing for the communi¬ty.”

He said business owners have also been supportive of the move.”

At the moment Wiltshire Council is responsible for the cleaning and maintenance of the market and Guildhall squares while Salisbury City Council runs it.

There have previously been discussions about the possibility of trans¬ferring ownership but it was thought better to wait until after the recently completed renovation works had been completed.

Wiltshire councillor Richard Clewer said: “I was against it a few years ago because of the work that needed to be done - the city council wasn't really in a position to take it on then. It makes sense now to hand it back; the city council runs it, and it is outside the Guildhall.”

Cllr Clewer said he went out to speak to people in the square at the weekend and most supported the idea of the area being in the hands of the city council.

· To give your views on ownership of the Market Place go to surveymonkey.com/s/DHKQ9QB.

 

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9:35am Wed 26 Mar 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

Great idea, then just the Salisbury parish council precept taxpayers will pay ALL the costs of the market Square!
I'm so glad I live outside of the Parish Council area, and thus won't be paying any of the costs if this goes ahead.
Great idea, then just the Salisbury parish council precept taxpayers will pay ALL the costs of the market Square! I'm so glad I live outside of the Parish Council area, and thus won't be paying any of the costs if this goes ahead. Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 14

10:23am Wed 26 Mar 14

Richard Clewer says...

A fair point. At the moment the City Council get all the revenue from the square. Wiltshire Council have spent almost £3 million doing up the Market Place and New Canal Street. The surface is expected to last in excess of 50 years. The resin bonded gravel has an estimated life of 5 to 7 years and there will be a replacement cost in the low thousands of pounds there in around 5 years time.

The City Council are responsible for running all the events on the square and get all the revenue from it. The plan was always that the revenue from the square would pay for the maintenance (and a lot more besides, it is a profitable bit of land) of the squares. It makes sense if the City Council get the revenue that they also own the square, otherwise we will end up at some point with Wiltshire asking for some of that revenue to help with renewal of the gravel.

Also at the moment we have the strange situation where the City Council run events on the square but have to ask Wiltshire for permissions to carry out events on it. To have everything in one ownership will make that much more simple.

I suppose the alternative would be for Wiltshire to take over running the square as well but that does not strike me as the best thing for the city.
A fair point. At the moment the City Council get all the revenue from the square. Wiltshire Council have spent almost £3 million doing up the Market Place and New Canal Street. The surface is expected to last in excess of 50 years. The resin bonded gravel has an estimated life of 5 to 7 years and there will be a replacement cost in the low thousands of pounds there in around 5 years time. The City Council are responsible for running all the events on the square and get all the revenue from it. The plan was always that the revenue from the square would pay for the maintenance (and a lot more besides, it is a profitable bit of land) of the squares. It makes sense if the City Council get the revenue that they also own the square, otherwise we will end up at some point with Wiltshire asking for some of that revenue to help with renewal of the gravel. Also at the moment we have the strange situation where the City Council run events on the square but have to ask Wiltshire for permissions to carry out events on it. To have everything in one ownership will make that much more simple. I suppose the alternative would be for Wiltshire to take over running the square as well but that does not strike me as the best thing for the city. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 3

11:46am Wed 26 Mar 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

But it's not just maintaining the surface is it.
The trees will continue to eat up cash, (but maybe sense will prevail and they all will be pollarded every Autumn as they used to be, a short term cost for a longer term gain.)
All the street furniture requires maintenance as does the war memorial, the floral displays have a cost, and then there are the toilets, I am assured that no-one knows their current actual cost and thus what the ongoing costs into the future will be.
No doubt there is also an extra public liability insurance to be paid for each year.
The surface may last 50 years BUT it will require cleaning if it is to remain presentable and worthy of a City Centre, again another unknown cost into the future.
Plus there will no doubt be the costs of the court case if the right of way across the square is obstructed on a regular basis.
These are just a few of the obvious costs, I have no doubt there are many more.
Thus my comment above stands.

PS. Lovely picture of the Square above good to see market day tradition of refuse bins being a focal point is being maintained with those unsightly eurobins between the toilet blocks!
But it's not just maintaining the surface is it. The trees will continue to eat up cash, (but maybe sense will prevail and they all will be pollarded every Autumn as they used to be, a short term cost for a longer term gain.) All the street furniture requires maintenance as does the war memorial, the floral displays have a cost, and then there are the toilets, I am assured that no-one knows their current actual cost and thus what the ongoing costs into the future will be. No doubt there is also an extra public liability insurance to be paid for each year. The surface may last 50 years BUT it will require cleaning if it is to remain presentable and worthy of a City Centre, again another unknown cost into the future. Plus there will no doubt be the costs of the court case if the right of way across the square is obstructed on a regular basis. These are just a few of the obvious costs, I have no doubt there are many more. Thus my comment above stands. PS. Lovely picture of the Square above good to see market day tradition of refuse bins being a focal point is being maintained with those unsightly eurobins between the toilet blocks! Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 16

1:41pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Richard Clewer says...

The floral displays are already paid for by the city council as is much of the cleaning and maintenance. Liability comes with the Market and is already also covered by the city council.

The benches will require repair at some stage, 20 years is the estimate we have been given and again the repair costs should come from the revenue from the square.

I would suggest that Wiltshire continue to deal with the trees and that they be pollarded as required (every year can harm trees from what I am told). The toilets do have a cost which again should come out of revenue from the market.

The issues around the right of way and the market already sit with the City Council as well.

Are you suggesting we don't have bins for the market and traders around the square. I would rather have bins than rubbish all over the place. There is no-where else to store them sadly.
The floral displays are already paid for by the city council as is much of the cleaning and maintenance. Liability comes with the Market and is already also covered by the city council. The benches will require repair at some stage, 20 years is the estimate we have been given and again the repair costs should come from the revenue from the square. I would suggest that Wiltshire continue to deal with the trees and that they be pollarded as required (every year can harm trees from what I am told). The toilets do have a cost which again should come out of revenue from the market. The issues around the right of way and the market already sit with the City Council as well. Are you suggesting we don't have bins for the market and traders around the square. I would rather have bins than rubbish all over the place. There is no-where else to store them sadly. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 3

1:46pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

If those huge bins are needed to be left in the centre of the Market square every day, surely they can be screened off, rather than being a focal point of attention, or at least get some that aren't bright blue and fenced in by bright orange barriers!
Spoiling the ship for a ha'peth of tar, typical Salisbury Council...once again.
If those huge bins are needed to be left in the centre of the Market square every day, surely they can be screened off, rather than being a focal point of attention, or at least get some that aren't bright blue and fenced in by bright orange barriers! Spoiling the ship for a ha'peth of tar, typical Salisbury Council...once again. Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 18

3:16pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Sustainer says...

I'm with Old Salisbury Boy and his implied suggestion to raise the precept so that we don't run out of tar!
I'm with Old Salisbury Boy and his implied suggestion to raise the precept so that we don't run out of tar! Sustainer
  • Score: 8

4:05pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Bournemouth Ohec says...

As has been mentioned already I am less than impressed that the focal points on this barren area of paving are toilet blocks and refuse bin storage.
As has been mentioned already I am less than impressed that the focal points on this barren area of paving are toilet blocks and refuse bin storage. Bournemouth Ohec
  • Score: 14

7:24pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Richard Clewer says...

The heritage trail should help add some more visual impact when it is put up in May.
The heritage trail should help add some more visual impact when it is put up in May. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 0

3:41pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Grampie says...

So nobody thought about where to put the waste bins or the toilet for the disabled. How much did the consultants get paid for that?

Perhaps if this project was organised by people from the business community, these issues would have been addressed.
So nobody thought about where to put the waste bins or the toilet for the disabled. How much did the consultants get paid for that? Perhaps if this project was organised by people from the business community, these issues would have been addressed. Grampie
  • Score: -3

7:18pm Thu 27 Mar 14

vcg507 says...

Perhaps we could retain the blue bins? The Police will need them come June this year when they have nowhere else to deposit drunken prisoners.
Perhaps we could retain the blue bins? The Police will need them come June this year when they have nowhere else to deposit drunken prisoners. vcg507
  • Score: 12

9:59pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Richard Clewer says...

Sorry Grampie where on earth do you get that conclusion from?

The disabled toilet was the subject of a great deal of discussion and consultatoin. In the final analysis it was felt that it shoudl be near the existing toilets which complies with best practice nationally.

As for the bins there was a lot of suggestion about putting them else where and not in the square. None of those ideas worked because of the business community and their requirements.

It is amaxing the conclusions that people draw based on no information at all.
Sorry Grampie where on earth do you get that conclusion from? The disabled toilet was the subject of a great deal of discussion and consultatoin. In the final analysis it was felt that it shoudl be near the existing toilets which complies with best practice nationally. As for the bins there was a lot of suggestion about putting them else where and not in the square. None of those ideas worked because of the business community and their requirements. It is amaxing the conclusions that people draw based on no information at all. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 8

12:00am Fri 28 Mar 14

SaveTheCarParks says...

Outrageous for Grampie to say that the disabled toilets are equivalent to industrial waste bins and should be hidden away out of sight!

Try getting around in a wheelchair.

Despicable man!!!
Outrageous for Grampie to say that the disabled toilets are equivalent to industrial waste bins and should be hidden away out of sight! Try getting around in a wheelchair. Despicable man!!! SaveTheCarParks
  • Score: 2

10:23am Fri 28 Mar 14

Grampie says...

SaveTheCarParks wrote:
Outrageous for Grampie to say that the disabled toilets are equivalent to industrial waste bins and should be hidden away out of sight!

Try getting around in a wheelchair.

Despicable man!!!
I did not say that at all. All I was suggesting was that they have been put in the middle of the square. To suggest that I would want the disabled toilets placed by the rubbish bins or be hidden away out of sight is a despicable comment.

Although I am not in a wheelchair, I pushed my disabled mother around in hers to know the problems that those in wheelchairs have, especially when travelling over rough surfaces, looking for toilets, parking places, getting into and out of buildings, travelling on public transport and so on.

Perhaps the planners should have read this https://www.gov.uk/g
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ns/planning-and-acce
ss-for-disabled-peop
le-a-good-practice-g
uide a document I am very familiar with.
[quote][p][bold]SaveTheCarParks[/bold] wrote: Outrageous for Grampie to say that the disabled toilets are equivalent to industrial waste bins and should be hidden away out of sight! Try getting around in a wheelchair. Despicable man!!![/p][/quote]I did not say that at all. All I was suggesting was that they have been put in the middle of the square. To suggest that I would want the disabled toilets placed by the rubbish bins or be hidden away out of sight is a despicable comment. Although I am not in a wheelchair, I pushed my disabled mother around in hers to know the problems that those in wheelchairs have, especially when travelling over rough surfaces, looking for toilets, parking places, getting into and out of buildings, travelling on public transport and so on. Perhaps the planners should have read this https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/planning-and-acce ss-for-disabled-peop le-a-good-practice-g uide a document I am very familiar with. Grampie
  • Score: -5

11:10am Fri 28 Mar 14

karlmarx says...

These Chinese paving slabs are certainly being used to their full extent as something to distract the general public from what is actually happening. The public have had their say on issues like the state of the roads, the police station, the colleges, the traffic chaos, the tax increases, the council leaders wage and allowance hikes etc... All ignored!
Reminds me of the 18th century Royal Navy admirals able to buy off entire Pacific Countries with a wooden chest full of worthless glass beads and baubles.
These Chinese paving slabs are certainly being used to their full extent as something to distract the general public from what is actually happening. The public have had their say on issues like the state of the roads, the police station, the colleges, the traffic chaos, the tax increases, the council leaders wage and allowance hikes etc... All ignored! Reminds me of the 18th century Royal Navy admirals able to buy off entire Pacific Countries with a wooden chest full of worthless glass beads and baubles. karlmarx
  • Score: -12

12:51pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Richard Clewer says...

Grampie again you are assuming that we did not read guidance. The guidance and best practice suggests that disabled toilets be located, where possible, next to able toilets. They were used by officers and the working group.

The working group I lead on the Market Place was keen to be as inclusive as possible hence the location we chose, not around the corner and out of site as some people suggested.. Placing the toilets in the centre of the square would have had a major imapct on our ability to run events on it.

Karl, you are yet again attacking the granite because it is Chinese. I would yet again re-iterate that I think that is too close to racism for comfort. We used the best material for the requirements we had and sourced it from the best provider we could find.
Grampie again you are assuming that we did not read guidance. The guidance and best practice suggests that disabled toilets be located, where possible, next to able toilets. They were used by officers and the working group. The working group I lead on the Market Place was keen to be as inclusive as possible hence the location we chose, not around the corner and out of site as some people suggested.. Placing the toilets in the centre of the square would have had a major imapct on our ability to run events on it. Karl, you are yet again attacking the granite because it is Chinese. I would yet again re-iterate that I think that is too close to racism for comfort. We used the best material for the requirements we had and sourced it from the best provider we could find. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 4

12:59am Sat 29 Mar 14

Grampie says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
Grampie again you are assuming that we did not read guidance. The guidance and best practice suggests that disabled toilets be located, where possible, next to able toilets. They were used by officers and the working group.

The working group I lead on the Market Place was keen to be as inclusive as possible hence the location we chose, not around the corner and out of site as some people suggested.. Placing the toilets in the centre of the square would have had a major imapct on our ability to run events on it.

Karl, you are yet again attacking the granite because it is Chinese. I would yet again re-iterate that I think that is too close to racism for comfort. We used the best material for the requirements we had and sourced it from the best provider we could find.
Nobody is suggesting having the toilets in the middle of the market square, but it does stick out a bit where it is.

As for your comment about racism, shows you know nothing about racism, but Conservatives have never campaigned against racism, so how would they know.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: Grampie again you are assuming that we did not read guidance. The guidance and best practice suggests that disabled toilets be located, where possible, next to able toilets. They were used by officers and the working group. The working group I lead on the Market Place was keen to be as inclusive as possible hence the location we chose, not around the corner and out of site as some people suggested.. Placing the toilets in the centre of the square would have had a major imapct on our ability to run events on it. Karl, you are yet again attacking the granite because it is Chinese. I would yet again re-iterate that I think that is too close to racism for comfort. We used the best material for the requirements we had and sourced it from the best provider we could find.[/p][/quote]Nobody is suggesting having the toilets in the middle of the market square, but it does stick out a bit where it is. As for your comment about racism, shows you know nothing about racism, but Conservatives have never campaigned against racism, so how would they know. Grampie
  • Score: -6

9:13am Sat 29 Mar 14

karlmarx says...

"Karl, you are yet again attacking the granite because it is Chinese. I would yet again re-iterate that I think that is too close to racism for comfort. We used the best material for the requirements we had and sourced it from the best provider we could find."

Don't be so ridiculous. Are the Chinese paving slabs from China or not? If they are then calling them Chinese paving slabs is correct. Don't try to imply something which doesn't exist simply to try to and score pathetic Brownie points.
By the way, having driven around Bemerton Heath this morning you should hang your head in shame regarding the utterly atrocious and appalling condition of the roads. Four years of underfunding and budget cuts have certainly taken there toll on these roads and yet you constantly prattle on about a wretched Market square as if it was the only place in Salisbury.
"Karl, you are yet again attacking the granite because it is Chinese. I would yet again re-iterate that I think that is too close to racism for comfort. We used the best material for the requirements we had and sourced it from the best provider we could find." Don't be so ridiculous. Are the Chinese paving slabs from China or not? If they are then calling them Chinese paving slabs is correct. Don't try to imply something which doesn't exist simply to try to and score pathetic Brownie points. By the way, having driven around Bemerton Heath this morning you should hang your head in shame regarding the utterly atrocious and appalling condition of the roads. Four years of underfunding and budget cuts have certainly taken there toll on these roads and yet you constantly prattle on about a wretched Market square as if it was the only place in Salisbury. karlmarx
  • Score: -7

9:22am Sat 29 Mar 14

karlmarx says...

I think you will not have to look too far afield to find the real racists, why even the Tory party's own candidates states this fact in February 2014...

"The Conservative Party is still viewed as a "racist party" by a large number ethnic minority voters, one of the party's Asian parliamentary candidates has said.
Afzal Amin, the Conservative parliamentary candidate for Dudley North, told The Huffington Post UK that securing the support of non-White Britons was "critical" to ensuring the party won a majority in 2015."

Given the Tory party stance of blaming everything on immigrants I can't see a civilised person voting for them based on these facts.
I think you will not have to look too far afield to find the real racists, why even the Tory party's own candidates states this fact in February 2014... "The Conservative Party is still viewed as a "racist party" by a large number ethnic minority voters, one of the party's Asian parliamentary candidates has said. Afzal Amin, the Conservative parliamentary candidate for Dudley North, told The Huffington Post UK that securing the support of non-White Britons was "critical" to ensuring the party won a majority in 2015." Given the Tory party stance of blaming everything on immigrants I can't see a civilised person voting for them based on these facts. karlmarx
  • Score: -12

10:12am Sat 29 Mar 14

Richard Clewer says...

And we are back into the world of blinked party bigotry.

Racism is among other definitions the attachment of negative attributes based on a race (race seems to be a hard thing for academics to define which I do find odd). Every time you mention Chinese granite Karl you do so in a negative context. That is too close to racism for my comfort.

I can't tell you what the Conservative Party, or any other party (the 1930;s and 40's had some poor behaviour across the board for example) has done regarding racism. I can tell you that I will oppose it whenever I find it, including the assumption that Granite must be bad because it is Chinese.

Karl, have you reported the roads on the Heath? I have reported some up there a couple of weeks ago and will see what is planned. Which ones in particular do you think are bad?

We have just come out of the worst winter on record for rain and road damage. We (the Conservatives) have increased spending on highways every year since Wiltshire Council was created including an extra 8 million a year for 5 years starting this financial year. Our teams are getting out sorting roads (we are constantly breaking new records for potholes filled per week and are also back in progress with a re-surfacing program) after the weather.
And we are back into the world of blinked party bigotry. Racism is among other definitions the attachment of negative attributes based on a race (race seems to be a hard thing for academics to define which I do find odd). Every time you mention Chinese granite Karl you do so in a negative context. That is too close to racism for my comfort. I can't tell you what the Conservative Party, or any other party (the 1930;s and 40's had some poor behaviour across the board for example) has done regarding racism. I can tell you that I will oppose it whenever I find it, including the assumption that Granite must be bad because it is Chinese. Karl, have you reported the roads on the Heath? I have reported some up there a couple of weeks ago and will see what is planned. Which ones in particular do you think are bad? We have just come out of the worst winter on record for rain and road damage. We (the Conservatives) have increased spending on highways every year since Wiltshire Council was created including an extra 8 million a year for 5 years starting this financial year. Our teams are getting out sorting roads (we are constantly breaking new records for potholes filled per week and are also back in progress with a re-surfacing program) after the weather. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 4

7:57pm Sat 29 Mar 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

Richard, sorry but that's just political ****, Brown st has been a disgrace for at least 6 months now, I have reported severe pot holes in Tidworth 6 weeks ago and they are now worse! Where is that mega expensive pot hole filling lorry that Wiltshire Council bought last year? Presumable smoothing out any blemish in Trowbridge as soon as it appears?
Roads will be a major factor at the ballot box,if you enjoy being a councillor you and your colleagues should be very very worried!
Richard, sorry but that's just political ****, Brown st has been a disgrace for at least 6 months now, I have reported severe pot holes in Tidworth 6 weeks ago and they are now worse! Where is that mega expensive pot hole filling lorry that Wiltshire Council bought last year? Presumable smoothing out any blemish in Trowbridge as soon as it appears? Roads will be a major factor at the ballot box,if you enjoy being a councillor you and your colleagues should be very very worried! Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 6

2:15pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Grampie says...

Several weeks ago I mentioned the potholes in Ashley Road. You said on here that they had been repaired. I have no idea which had been repaired, but the road, in your ward, is awful.
As for your comment about Chinese slabs being racist is silly and suggests that you are trying to score points.
Several weeks ago I mentioned the potholes in Ashley Road. You said on here that they had been repaired. I have no idea which had been repaired, but the road, in your ward, is awful. As for your comment about Chinese slabs being racist is silly and suggests that you are trying to score points. Grampie
  • Score: -2

5:51pm Sun 30 Mar 14

Richard Clewer says...

Some of the potholes on Ashley Road have been repaired. There are still lots to sort and honestly the whole road needs a re-surface.

I am trying to push every button I can to help with that. Strangely neither the police nor the fire service have any concerns about the road despite my asking them to request it be fixed asap.

The Area Board will be prioritising some roads to be fixed with the extra 8 million a year this year shortly. I will be pushing Ashley Road and Fisherton Street.
Some of the potholes on Ashley Road have been repaired. There are still lots to sort and honestly the whole road needs a re-surface. I am trying to push every button I can to help with that. Strangely neither the police nor the fire service have any concerns about the road despite my asking them to request it be fixed asap. The Area Board will be prioritising some roads to be fixed with the extra 8 million a year this year shortly. I will be pushing Ashley Road and Fisherton Street. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 1

6:19pm Mon 31 Mar 14

karlmarx says...

It's not 'an extra £8 million'! Over the past 4 years there has been a short fall of £21 million. The roads are still owed £13 million!
I have published the figures supplied by Wiltshire Council twice before!
It's not 'an extra £8 million'! Over the past 4 years there has been a short fall of £21 million. The roads are still owed £13 million! I have published the figures supplied by Wiltshire Council twice before! karlmarx
  • Score: -6

6:24pm Mon 31 Mar 14

karlmarx says...

"We have just come out of the worst winter on record for rain and road damage. We (the Conservatives) have increased spending on highways every year since Wiltshire Council was created including an extra 8 million a year for 5 years starting this financial year. "

Complete nonsense. I urge you to check the accounts of Wiltshire Council, then enrol on a mathematics course at one of the new sixth form colleges.
"We have just come out of the worst winter on record for rain and road damage. We (the Conservatives) have increased spending on highways every year since Wiltshire Council was created including an extra 8 million a year for 5 years starting this financial year. " Complete nonsense. I urge you to check the accounts of Wiltshire Council, then enrol on a mathematics course at one of the new sixth form colleges. karlmarx
  • Score: -9

6:42pm Mon 31 Mar 14

karlmarx says...

"Racism is among other definitions the attachment of negative attributes based on a race (race seems to be a hard thing for academics to define which I do find odd). Every time you mention Chinese granite Karl you do so in a negative context. That is too close to racism for my comfort."

So where do you buy your take away curries and sweet and sours from? Thats right, go on say it. Calling paving slabs that are made in China Chinese paving slabs is logical. If you watch any international sporting event you might hear the commentators mention which country the competitors are from. Racism is rampant in the Tory party, they are well known for it, as one of their own candidates mentions. Attacks on immigrants, anti- Europe, anti-Islam, anti-Scottish independence etc...very 1930's Germany indeed or haven't you noticed.
"Racism is among other definitions the attachment of negative attributes based on a race (race seems to be a hard thing for academics to define which I do find odd). Every time you mention Chinese granite Karl you do so in a negative context. That is too close to racism for my comfort." So where do you buy your take away curries and sweet and sours from? Thats right, go on say it. Calling paving slabs that are made in China Chinese paving slabs is logical. If you watch any international sporting event you might hear the commentators mention which country the competitors are from. Racism is rampant in the Tory party, they are well known for it, as one of their own candidates mentions. Attacks on immigrants, anti- Europe, anti-Islam, anti-Scottish independence etc...very 1930's Germany indeed or haven't you noticed. karlmarx
  • Score: -10

7:51pm Mon 31 Mar 14

Grampie says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
Some of the potholes on Ashley Road have been repaired. There are still lots to sort and honestly the whole road needs a re-surface.

I am trying to push every button I can to help with that. Strangely neither the police nor the fire service have any concerns about the road despite my asking them to request it be fixed asap.

The Area Board will be prioritising some roads to be fixed with the extra 8 million a year this year shortly. I will be pushing Ashley Road and Fisherton Street.
As far as I am aware, the fire service does not ride to fires on bikes. I may be wrong as there have been cutbacks, so you never know.

You will agree that you said that the holes had been filled in, but they haven't.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: Some of the potholes on Ashley Road have been repaired. There are still lots to sort and honestly the whole road needs a re-surface. I am trying to push every button I can to help with that. Strangely neither the police nor the fire service have any concerns about the road despite my asking them to request it be fixed asap. The Area Board will be prioritising some roads to be fixed with the extra 8 million a year this year shortly. I will be pushing Ashley Road and Fisherton Street.[/p][/quote]As far as I am aware, the fire service does not ride to fires on bikes. I may be wrong as there have been cutbacks, so you never know. You will agree that you said that the holes had been filled in, but they haven't. Grampie
  • Score: -6

6:00am Tue 1 Apr 14

karlmarx says...

"I am trying to push every button I can to help with that. Strangely neither the police nor the fire service have any concerns about the road despite my asking them to request it be fixed asap."

Not really strange. The police and fire service are provided with publicly funded vehicles for doing their work, fire engines police cars and vans. They don't have to personally pay for the damage caused to these vehicles by the disgraceful condition of the roads in and around Salisbury like the general public have to for their vehicles. Four years of underfunding and cuts by the Tory Wiltshire council on road maintenance and guess what? Twelve months away from the election and they are NOW going to rebuild the roads, well try to anyway, looks like twelve months won't even scratch the surface (no pun intended)
"I am trying to push every button I can to help with that. Strangely neither the police nor the fire service have any concerns about the road despite my asking them to request it be fixed asap." Not really strange. The police and fire service are provided with publicly funded vehicles for doing their work, fire engines police cars and vans. They don't have to personally pay for the damage caused to these vehicles by the disgraceful condition of the roads in and around Salisbury like the general public have to for their vehicles. Four years of underfunding and cuts by the Tory Wiltshire council on road maintenance and guess what? Twelve months away from the election and they are NOW going to rebuild the roads, well try to anyway, looks like twelve months won't even scratch the surface (no pun intended) karlmarx
  • Score: -8

9:28am Tue 1 Apr 14

Sustainer says...

Let us all ignore the inane ramblings of KM for the moment and get back to the article. Has anyone got a view whether the Market square should pass to city ownership which after all is what this article is about.
Let us all ignore the inane ramblings of KM for the moment and get back to the article. Has anyone got a view whether the Market square should pass to city ownership which after all is what this article is about. Sustainer
  • Score: 13

1:08pm Tue 1 Apr 14

gingin says...

Pass ownership to the City Council and let them have control rather than asking permission every time they wish to host an event. It's our City so why allow a remote WC to have any control.

As for the trees allow the experts to pollard when they see fit, there seems to be so much moaning about the cost of everything for goodness sake we can't have a City that doesn't spend any money and if ownership stays with WC does anyone believe the council tax won't rise to help pay for the Market Square or anything else in the future?

Queue negative ticks, but from where I sit if you wish for a vibrant City then you have to pay towards it!
Pass ownership to the City Council and let them have control rather than asking permission every time they wish to host an event. It's our City so why allow a remote WC to have any control. As for the trees allow the experts to pollard when they see fit, there seems to be so much moaning about the cost of everything for goodness sake we can't have a City that doesn't spend any money and if ownership stays with WC does anyone believe the council tax won't rise to help pay for the Market Square or anything else in the future? Queue negative ticks, but from where I sit if you wish for a vibrant City then you have to pay towards it! gingin
  • Score: 12

9:22pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Petera says...

Only the centre of Salisbury has its roads repaired.It is pointless reporting potholes on the Heath, when someone is killed by the dangerous roads up here something may be done.It is pointless reporting potholes. They just pour a barrow load of coldpour into about one in ten of them and leave the rest,
Only the centre of Salisbury has its roads repaired.It is pointless reporting potholes on the Heath, when someone is killed by the dangerous roads up here something may be done.It is pointless reporting potholes. They just pour a barrow load of coldpour into about one in ten of them and leave the rest, Petera
  • Score: 0

9:48pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Schoolmum999 says...

I have no idea whether passing ownership to the City Council is a good move. I'm sceptical of anything WCC have a hand in.

However, we recently had some visitors from London to stay and took them into the city centre for a guided tour. I took the opportunity to ask them what they thought of the market square and I quote "It looks nice, but has it been emptied in readiness for something? It looks like something is missing".
I have no idea whether passing ownership to the City Council is a good move. I'm sceptical of anything WCC have a hand in. However, we recently had some visitors from London to stay and took them into the city centre for a guided tour. I took the opportunity to ask them what they thought of the market square and I quote "It looks nice, but has it been emptied in readiness for something? It looks like something is missing". Schoolmum999
  • Score: 2

10:06pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Richard Clewer says...

Karl, you are making the numbers up now about highways expenditure.

We (Wiltshire Council) have increased spending on road maintenance every year since we were first elected. We have also just increased funding by an extra £8 million a year for the next 5 years. Helpfully we also got some extra government funding (only £3 million but that will help).

The reductions in highways expenditure happened a long time ago when there was a different political control of Wiltshire County Council. These are facts, not interpretations.

Our expenditure on some areas of transport (specifically bus subsidies) have gone down in the last few years but not expenditure on road maintenance and repair.

Schoolmum, I was getting petition signatures last Saturday about Sainsburys in the Market Place. I spoke to a couple of hundred people. Over 30 people made comments about the market place (I stopped counting at 30), of those 27 were positive and 3 negative. No everone likes it but so far the majority of those I have talked to about it (and in total that is in the hundreds of people) think it is an improvement.

Interestingly people seem less excited about who should run it, of those that are interested in who should own the square there is a clear majority in favour of the city council owning and running it (I have not looked at the survey results yet).

There is an overwhelming majority of people by the way who think Sainsbury's should not build a store on Southampton Road but again some who think they should.
Karl, you are making the numbers up now about highways expenditure. We (Wiltshire Council) have increased spending on road maintenance every year since we were first elected. We have also just increased funding by an extra £8 million a year for the next 5 years. Helpfully we also got some extra government funding (only £3 million but that will help). The reductions in highways expenditure happened a long time ago when there was a different political control of Wiltshire County Council. These are facts, not interpretations. Our expenditure on some areas of transport (specifically bus subsidies) have gone down in the last few years but not expenditure on road maintenance and repair. Schoolmum, I was getting petition signatures last Saturday about Sainsburys in the Market Place. I spoke to a couple of hundred people. Over 30 people made comments about the market place (I stopped counting at 30), of those 27 were positive and 3 negative. No everone likes it but so far the majority of those I have talked to about it (and in total that is in the hundreds of people) think it is an improvement. Interestingly people seem less excited about who should run it, of those that are interested in who should own the square there is a clear majority in favour of the city council owning and running it (I have not looked at the survey results yet). There is an overwhelming majority of people by the way who think Sainsbury's should not build a store on Southampton Road but again some who think they should. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 3

2:45am Wed 2 Apr 14

karlmarx says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
Karl, you are making the numbers up now about highways expenditure.

We (Wiltshire Council) have increased spending on road maintenance every year since we were first elected. We have also just increased funding by an extra £8 million a year for the next 5 years. Helpfully we also got some extra government funding (only £3 million but that will help).

The reductions in highways expenditure happened a long time ago when there was a different political control of Wiltshire County Council. These are facts, not interpretations.

Our expenditure on some areas of transport (specifically bus subsidies) have gone down in the last few years but not expenditure on road maintenance and repair.

Schoolmum, I was getting petition signatures last Saturday about Sainsburys in the Market Place. I spoke to a couple of hundred people. Over 30 people made comments about the market place (I stopped counting at 30), of those 27 were positive and 3 negative. No everone likes it but so far the majority of those I have talked to about it (and in total that is in the hundreds of people) think it is an improvement.

Interestingly people seem less excited about who should run it, of those that are interested in who should own the square there is a clear majority in favour of the city council owning and running it (I have not looked at the survey results yet).

There is an overwhelming majority of people by the way who think Sainsbury's should not build a store on Southampton Road but again some who think they should.
Complete rubbish yet again. I have published the figures TWICE already. They are from the Wiltshire Council accounts for the past four years. What part of this are you having difficulty understanding or, is your memory failing?
The underfunding and budget cuts for highway maintenance totalled £21 million for the past four years, check it out for yourself if you don't believe me or Wiltshire Council.
Note: Salisbury consists of more than a market place. If you care to venture outside of the sacred market square area you will be not be pleasantly surprised at what you see and, what local Salisbury residents have to endure. The budget cuts from central government and local government have had and are continuing to affect the Salisbury area, the appalling state of the roads being one of the most visible areas to evidence this.
Many of the cuts have been stealthily disguised as 'operational needs' or 'efficiency gains' etc...and blamed on various departments and agencies beyond central and local government control, even though those making the cuts were installed by central/local government to do just that. Even blaming a political party which has had no overall control or even shared control of Wiltshire since the eighties. Propaganda, smoke and mirrors at its best.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: Karl, you are making the numbers up now about highways expenditure. We (Wiltshire Council) have increased spending on road maintenance every year since we were first elected. We have also just increased funding by an extra £8 million a year for the next 5 years. Helpfully we also got some extra government funding (only £3 million but that will help). The reductions in highways expenditure happened a long time ago when there was a different political control of Wiltshire County Council. These are facts, not interpretations. Our expenditure on some areas of transport (specifically bus subsidies) have gone down in the last few years but not expenditure on road maintenance and repair. Schoolmum, I was getting petition signatures last Saturday about Sainsburys in the Market Place. I spoke to a couple of hundred people. Over 30 people made comments about the market place (I stopped counting at 30), of those 27 were positive and 3 negative. No everone likes it but so far the majority of those I have talked to about it (and in total that is in the hundreds of people) think it is an improvement. Interestingly people seem less excited about who should run it, of those that are interested in who should own the square there is a clear majority in favour of the city council owning and running it (I have not looked at the survey results yet). There is an overwhelming majority of people by the way who think Sainsbury's should not build a store on Southampton Road but again some who think they should.[/p][/quote]Complete rubbish yet again. I have published the figures TWICE already. They are from the Wiltshire Council accounts for the past four years. What part of this are you having difficulty understanding or, is your memory failing? The underfunding and budget cuts for highway maintenance totalled £21 million for the past four years, check it out for yourself if you don't believe me or Wiltshire Council. Note: Salisbury consists of more than a market place. If you care to venture outside of the sacred market square area you will be not be pleasantly surprised at what you see and, what local Salisbury residents have to endure. The budget cuts from central government and local government have had and are continuing to affect the Salisbury area, the appalling state of the roads being one of the most visible areas to evidence this. Many of the cuts have been stealthily disguised as 'operational needs' or 'efficiency gains' etc...and blamed on various departments and agencies beyond central and local government control, even though those making the cuts were installed by central/local government to do just that. Even blaming a political party which has had no overall control or even shared control of Wiltshire since the eighties. Propaganda, smoke and mirrors at its best. karlmarx
  • Score: -1

2:52am Wed 2 Apr 14

karlmarx says...

gingin wrote:
Pass ownership to the City Council and let them have control rather than asking permission every time they wish to host an event. It's our City so why allow a remote WC to have any control.

As for the trees allow the experts to pollard when they see fit, there seems to be so much moaning about the cost of everything for goodness sake we can't have a City that doesn't spend any money and if ownership stays with WC does anyone believe the council tax won't rise to help pay for the Market Square or anything else in the future?

Queue negative ticks, but from where I sit if you wish for a vibrant City then you have to pay towards it!
Agreed but, with the added point that Salisbury doesn't end at the border of the commercial area. I know its hard to believe but, quite a number of people live outside of the commercial area.
[quote][p][bold]gingin[/bold] wrote: Pass ownership to the City Council and let them have control rather than asking permission every time they wish to host an event. It's our City so why allow a remote WC to have any control. As for the trees allow the experts to pollard when they see fit, there seems to be so much moaning about the cost of everything for goodness sake we can't have a City that doesn't spend any money and if ownership stays with WC does anyone believe the council tax won't rise to help pay for the Market Square or anything else in the future? Queue negative ticks, but from where I sit if you wish for a vibrant City then you have to pay towards it![/p][/quote]Agreed but, with the added point that Salisbury doesn't end at the border of the commercial area. I know its hard to believe but, quite a number of people live outside of the commercial area. karlmarx
  • Score: -1

11:47am Wed 2 Apr 14

gingin says...

karlmarx wrote:
gingin wrote:
Pass ownership to the City Council and let them have control rather than asking permission every time they wish to host an event. It's our City so why allow a remote WC to have any control.

As for the trees allow the experts to pollard when they see fit, there seems to be so much moaning about the cost of everything for goodness sake we can't have a City that doesn't spend any money and if ownership stays with WC does anyone believe the council tax won't rise to help pay for the Market Square or anything else in the future?

Queue negative ticks, but from where I sit if you wish for a vibrant City then you have to pay towards it!
Agreed but, with the added point that Salisbury doesn't end at the border of the commercial area. I know its hard to believe but, quite a number of people live outside of the commercial area.
I live outside of that area but always try to support what is being done inside it. Agreed the roads are in a bad way and need to be mended which seems to be the main cause for peoples moans.

WC say they are to spend a lot more money to do the job so let's hold them to their promise. It doesn't seem to register with certain Councillors that the road maintenance budget was shrunk in the past under WCC thus allowing our roads to deteriorate. However the worse rainfall this winter has increased the bad state of the roads, there was little point trying to mend pot holes while they were still under so much water or more to fall from the sky! It seems to be back to normal now so let's keep a watch on things and insist our roads are mended as WC has promised.
[quote][p][bold]karlmarx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gingin[/bold] wrote: Pass ownership to the City Council and let them have control rather than asking permission every time they wish to host an event. It's our City so why allow a remote WC to have any control. As for the trees allow the experts to pollard when they see fit, there seems to be so much moaning about the cost of everything for goodness sake we can't have a City that doesn't spend any money and if ownership stays with WC does anyone believe the council tax won't rise to help pay for the Market Square or anything else in the future? Queue negative ticks, but from where I sit if you wish for a vibrant City then you have to pay towards it![/p][/quote]Agreed but, with the added point that Salisbury doesn't end at the border of the commercial area. I know its hard to believe but, quite a number of people live outside of the commercial area.[/p][/quote]I live outside of that area but always try to support what is being done inside it. Agreed the roads are in a bad way and need to be mended which seems to be the main cause for peoples moans. WC say they are to spend a lot more money to do the job so let's hold them to their promise. It doesn't seem to register with certain Councillors that the road maintenance budget was shrunk in the past under WCC thus allowing our roads to deteriorate. However the worse rainfall this winter has increased the bad state of the roads, there was little point trying to mend pot holes while they were still under so much water or more to fall from the sky! It seems to be back to normal now so let's keep a watch on things and insist our roads are mended as WC has promised. gingin
  • Score: 4

2:22pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Richard Clewer says...

Karl you are simply making the numbers up here. That is not the same as publishing them.

When Wiltshire Council was created we spent aprox £18.5 million a year on highways. We now spend aprox £27.5 million a year. That does not include the extra £8 million a year on top we have just started.
Karl you are simply making the numbers up here. That is not the same as publishing them. When Wiltshire Council was created we spent aprox £18.5 million a year on highways. We now spend aprox £27.5 million a year. That does not include the extra £8 million a year on top we have just started. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 0

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