People on bail will have to travel to Amesbury

PEOPLE on bail who have to report regularly to the police will need to travel to Amesbury to do so until Salisbury’s new custody unit is built.

And people who are arrested, and taken into custody at Melksham, will have to make their own way back home when released.

However, they will first be risk assessed, and if they are deemed to be “vulnerable”, they will be offered help.

These are the key points to emerge from a public meeting attended by Wiltshire’s chief constable Patrick Geenty and Police Commissioner Angus Macpherson at Salisbury City Hall on Monday.

With the Wilton Road police station due to close to make way for a university technical college, the meeting was intended to allay any fears about the impact on policing in the city.

In future, Salisbury will effectively have two police stations, each with a front desk – one at the Bourne Hill council offices, and the other to be included in the new Five Rivers community campus.

Asked how the public will know which one to go to with inquiries or to report a crime, a spokesman for the force said there will be a publicity campaign, including posters at Wilton Road, and probably signs in the city centre.

The meeting heard that it would not be appropriate to have some offenders on bail checking in at Bourne Hill, where reception will be shared with the council.

So until the custody unit opens on the old engine shed site at Churchfields, which should be in November 2015 , they will have to go to Amesbury police station.

The spokesman said: “We would put an arrangement in place for an officer to be there to meet them and deal with the necessary paperwork.”

He said it would be highly unusual for anyone to have to report daily. Twice a week would be more common. “In our judgement it’s not a significant problem.”

Anyone reporting on bail for a charging decision or a caution will go to Melksham.

People reporting sensitive issues to the police at Bourne Hill will be taken to a private meeting space. There is a sexual offence referral centre for Salisbury, and arrangements for victims of such offences will continue unchanged.

Mr Geenty told the meeting that if someone is arrested there will be 10 detention officers - civilian staff experienced in dealing with prisoners – working in shifts, responsible for driving them to Melksham.

He will also be drafting in 10 police officers from other parts of the county to Salisbury to ensure that there is enough cover locally during the transition period.

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3:35pm Tue 20 May 14

Bournemouth Ohec says...

Don't do anything that's likely to end up with you being arrested.

Simple really.

Mind you the whole situation regarding not having a proper police station in a place the size of Salisbury is utterly ridiculous.
Don't do anything that's likely to end up with you being arrested. Simple really. Mind you the whole situation regarding not having a proper police station in a place the size of Salisbury is utterly ridiculous. Bournemouth Ohec
  • Score: 17

3:39pm Tue 20 May 14

blackstone says...

Who needs to go to a pantomime??

Just read the crazy things happening in Salisbury
Or maybe not in Salisbury,,but Amesbury and Melksham
Who needs to go to a pantomime?? Just read the crazy things happening in Salisbury Or maybe not in Salisbury,,but Amesbury and Melksham blackstone
  • Score: 10

3:56pm Tue 20 May 14

karlmarx says...

Bournemouth Ohec wrote:
Don't do anything that's likely to end up with you being arrested.

Simple really.

Mind you the whole situation regarding not having a proper police station in a place the size of Salisbury is utterly ridiculous.
Very sound advice, if only the PCC had taken a similar approach 'don't do anything that's likely to affect the ability to fight crime'.
The saga continues, I expect more missed bail appearances now thus giving our police officers even more unnecessary work.
[quote][p][bold]Bournemouth Ohec[/bold] wrote: Don't do anything that's likely to end up with you being arrested. Simple really. Mind you the whole situation regarding not having a proper police station in a place the size of Salisbury is utterly ridiculous.[/p][/quote]Very sound advice, if only the PCC had taken a similar approach 'don't do anything that's likely to affect the ability to fight crime'. The saga continues, I expect more missed bail appearances now thus giving our police officers even more unnecessary work. karlmarx
  • Score: 13

4:03pm Tue 20 May 14

blackstone says...

So---a motorist who blows,say 40,on the breathalyser,is assumed to be guilty of drink driving,is taken to Melksham police station,,where he blows well below the drink/drive limit,is not guilty of anything ,so released
This person then has to make their own way back to Salisbury

Surely this cant be right?
So---a motorist who blows,say 40,on the breathalyser,is assumed to be guilty of drink driving,is taken to Melksham police station,,where he blows well below the drink/drive limit,is not guilty of anything ,so released This person then has to make their own way back to Salisbury Surely this cant be right? blackstone
  • Score: 15

6:28pm Tue 20 May 14

cactus Joe says...

i thought it was interesting that Annie Riddle noted they're effectively opening a police station at Bourne Hill. Do they have planning permission for this? I don't think so............... I expect they'll have to do various internal alterations to the building to accommodate the police, the buildings listed have they got listed building consent for this? I don't think so..............

Well as long as they've consulted the local residents about all the additional police vehicles running around the residential streets to get to college street car park to get to Bourne Hill.....

Surely not one rule for Wiltshire council and the police and one rule for everyone else?...............
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i thought it was interesting that Annie Riddle noted they're effectively opening a police station at Bourne Hill. Do they have planning permission for this? I don't think so............... I expect they'll have to do various internal alterations to the building to accommodate the police, the buildings listed have they got listed building consent for this? I don't think so.............. Well as long as they've consulted the local residents about all the additional police vehicles running around the residential streets to get to college street car park to get to Bourne Hill..... Surely not one rule for Wiltshire council and the police and one rule for everyone else?............... .. cactus Joe
  • Score: 11

6:46pm Tue 20 May 14

Grampie says...

A shambles. An absolute shambles
A shambles. An absolute shambles Grampie
  • Score: 11

10:22am Wed 21 May 14

sarum dragon says...

Its only a 9 hour walk along busy main roads
dony know what people are worried about
Its only a 9 hour walk along busy main roads dony know what people are worried about sarum dragon
  • Score: 8

10:45am Wed 21 May 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

Melksham has a custody suite and a Police station, presumably it has a regular bus or train service to Salisbury 24 hours a day seven days a week?

PS. Where is Melksham, is it near Trowvizes?
Melksham has a custody suite and a Police station, presumably it has a regular bus or train service to Salisbury 24 hours a day seven days a week? PS. Where is Melksham, is it near Trowvizes? Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 3

11:35am Wed 21 May 14

sarum dragon says...

Old Salisbury Boy wrote:
Melksham has a custody suite and a Police station, presumably it has a regular bus or train service to Salisbury 24 hours a day seven days a week? PS. Where is Melksham, is it near Trowvizes?
The last train is at 8.30 pm and no direct bus route
have to get to bradford on avon
assuming they have the money on them to pay for the trip
(i dont normally have more then £5.00 on me unless i need to get something specific)
it is below chippenham
[quote][p][bold]Old Salisbury Boy[/bold] wrote: Melksham has a custody suite and a Police station, presumably it has a regular bus or train service to Salisbury 24 hours a day seven days a week? PS. Where is Melksham, is it near Trowvizes?[/p][/quote]The last train is at 8.30 pm and no direct bus route have to get to bradford on avon assuming they have the money on them to pay for the trip (i dont normally have more then £5.00 on me unless i need to get something specific) it is below chippenham sarum dragon
  • Score: 4

11:49am Wed 21 May 14

blackstone says...

Old Salisbury Boy wrote:
Melksham has a custody suite and a Police station, presumably it has a regular bus or train service to Salisbury 24 hours a day seven days a week?

PS. Where is Melksham, is it near Trowvizes?
Salisbury also has a custody suite and police station,,but deemed not fit for the purpose
Why?? Is it because the dont beat up and tazer enough suspects there?
[quote][p][bold]Old Salisbury Boy[/bold] wrote: Melksham has a custody suite and a Police station, presumably it has a regular bus or train service to Salisbury 24 hours a day seven days a week? PS. Where is Melksham, is it near Trowvizes?[/p][/quote]Salisbury also has a custody suite and police station,,but deemed not fit for the purpose Why?? Is it because the dont beat up and tazer enough suspects there? blackstone
  • Score: -2

1:50pm Wed 21 May 14

Jennifer Williams says...

So more and more homes are being built in Amesbury therefore more and more POTENTIAL people arrested or on bail but there is no thought for this. I live in Amesbury and quite frankly this is a shambles. So it is all right for us to deal with them but not Bourne Hill - have you seen the size of that place? Surely they could sort something out there. Appalling
So more and more homes are being built in Amesbury therefore more and more POTENTIAL people arrested or on bail but there is no thought for this. I live in Amesbury and quite frankly this is a shambles. So it is all right for us to deal with them but not Bourne Hill - have you seen the size of that place? Surely they could sort something out there. Appalling Jennifer Williams
  • Score: 5

5:24pm Wed 21 May 14

gingin says...

The whole exercise is a complete and utter shambles. If this sort of decision is what has happened with the forming of PCC's then one has to come to the conclusion it is a waste of public money!

9 Jobs Macpherson should resign and the government should seriously consider abandoning the made up posts of PCC's and spend the money elsewhere.
The whole exercise is a complete and utter shambles. If this sort of decision is what has happened with the forming of PCC's then one has to come to the conclusion it is a waste of public money! 9 Jobs Macpherson should resign and the government should seriously consider abandoning the made up posts of PCC's and spend the money elsewhere. gingin
  • Score: 10

10:40pm Wed 21 May 14

Petera says...

It is worse than the keystone cops. I suppose a car thief could always steal another car to get home, as there is no public tranport service from Melksham. Not everybody has access to a car. Mind you they won't be arresting as many people anyway,with the prospect of having to transport prisoners to Melksham the arrest threshold will have to be narrowed.
It is worse than the keystone cops. I suppose a car thief could always steal another car to get home, as there is no public tranport service from Melksham. Not everybody has access to a car. Mind you they won't be arresting as many people anyway,with the prospect of having to transport prisoners to Melksham the arrest threshold will have to be narrowed. Petera
  • Score: 6

10:04am Thu 22 May 14

karlmarx says...

The whole concept of PCC's is flawed. As the leader of the coalition puts it...

"“I think in these essential services, like the London Underground, the pain caused to people trying to get to work and trying to help their families by these strikes, which are often supported by a relatively small percentage…I think it’s hugely damaging and so I think the time has come for setting thresholds in strike ballots in essential services. It’s not something I can achieve in a coalition government. It’s something that will be in our manifesto.”

The turnout for the PCC vote was an incredibly small percentage, 15%, the smallest on record for any election here in the UK. So, according to the leader of the coalition it must be 'hugely damaging' and, he's right!
Of course, using his theory of small percentages he may recall that the Conservative party managed a massive 36% 'victory' at the previous national election and yet they are running the country with the help of their stooges, the Libdems.

Back to the fiasco.

"Mr Geenty told the meeting that if someone is arrested there will be 10 detention officers - civilian staff experienced in dealing with prisoners – working in shifts, responsible for driving them to Melksham.

He will also be drafting in 10 police officers from other parts of the county to Salisbury to ensure that there is enough cover locally during the transition period."

Extra costs? This exercise in cost saving is turning out to be quite expensive, that's before we factor in the cost of the new custody suite, still no figures on that yet.
The whole concept of PCC's is flawed. As the leader of the coalition puts it... "“I think in these essential services, like the London Underground, the pain caused to people trying to get to work and trying to help their families by these strikes, which are often supported by a relatively small percentage…I think it’s hugely damaging and so I think the time has come for setting thresholds in strike ballots in essential services. It’s not something I can achieve in a coalition government. It’s something that will be in our manifesto.” The turnout for the PCC vote was an incredibly small percentage, 15%, the smallest on record for any election here in the UK. So, according to the leader of the coalition it must be 'hugely damaging' and, he's right! Of course, using his theory of small percentages he may recall that the Conservative party managed a massive 36% 'victory' at the previous national election and yet they are running the country with the help of their stooges, the Libdems. Back to the fiasco. "Mr Geenty told the meeting that if someone is arrested there will be 10 detention officers - civilian staff experienced in dealing with prisoners – working in shifts, responsible for driving them to Melksham. He will also be drafting in 10 police officers from other parts of the county to Salisbury to ensure that there is enough cover locally during the transition period." Extra costs? This exercise in cost saving is turning out to be quite expensive, that's before we factor in the cost of the new custody suite, still no figures on that yet. karlmarx
  • Score: 7

11:39am Thu 22 May 14

vcg507 says...

Can anyone who attended the meeting inform me if the costs for the new custody suite were mentioned?
Can anyone who attended the meeting inform me if the costs for the new custody suite were mentioned? vcg507
  • Score: 5

11:13am Fri 23 May 14

Petera says...

Many of the people arrested and bailed in Salisbury will have no way to get to Amesbury or Melksham so will just not turn up. Then I suppose a policecar will have to rearrest them and arrange for transport to Melksham from where they will have to walk back. I thought you were innocent until proven guilty in this country. I thought transportation as a punishment was stopped in 1775, are they bringing it back in, if only over shorter distances.
Many of the people arrested and bailed in Salisbury will have no way to get to Amesbury or Melksham so will just not turn up. Then I suppose a policecar will have to rearrest them and arrange for transport to Melksham from where they will have to walk back. I thought you were innocent until proven guilty in this country. I thought transportation as a punishment was stopped in 1775, are they bringing it back in, if only over shorter distances. Petera
  • Score: 3

5:27pm Fri 23 May 14

markwillt says...

I wouldn't worry, theres hardly any poice around anymore so you will probably find the torys will close all of them down
I wouldn't worry, theres hardly any poice around anymore so you will probably find the torys will close all of them down markwillt
  • Score: -1

5:28pm Fri 23 May 14

markwillt says...

markwillt wrote:
I wouldn't worry, theres hardly any poice around anymore so you will probably find the torys will close all of them down
sorry missed the l key
[quote][p][bold]markwillt[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't worry, theres hardly any poice around anymore so you will probably find the torys will close all of them down[/p][/quote]sorry missed the l key markwillt
  • Score: -1

10:42pm Fri 23 May 14

FreeBornJohn says...

You can see it all falling apart. 10 detention officers. None of whom have any powers to arrest anyone or to lay hands on you. These staff will move from Swindon and Melksham, hence leaving those areas short. Ten people won't cover a working week.

Expect to see officers doing everything in their power to not arrest someone. its a three hour round trip for that breach of the peach.

And £20m for that new custody suite instead of the divisional HQ and 200 new police officers.

You could not organise policing in the county any worse.
You can see it all falling apart. 10 detention officers. None of whom have any powers to arrest anyone or to lay hands on you. These staff will move from Swindon and Melksham, hence leaving those areas short. Ten people won't cover a working week. Expect to see officers doing everything in their power to not arrest someone. its a three hour round trip for that breach of the peach. And £20m for that new custody suite instead of the divisional HQ and 200 new police officers. You could not organise policing in the county any worse. FreeBornJohn
  • Score: 10

5:11pm Sat 24 May 14

karlmarx says...

And yet nine jobs is wandering around as if everything is fine and dandy and under control! Quite clearly this is not the case as these knee-jerk proposals appear to change on a weekly basis as well as the obvious escalating costs being kept secret. Remind us all again how much we are 'saving' by closing our police station, what was that magic figure that all PCCs used up and down the country to justify closing police stations of differing sizes, ages, construction types and locations? Miraculously the figure was always the same despite the plethora of differences.
Let's remind the electorate of the figure that supports the PCCs mandate to close all of these police stations, 15%!
And yet nine jobs is wandering around as if everything is fine and dandy and under control! Quite clearly this is not the case as these knee-jerk proposals appear to change on a weekly basis as well as the obvious escalating costs being kept secret. Remind us all again how much we are 'saving' by closing our police station, what was that magic figure that all PCCs used up and down the country to justify closing police stations of differing sizes, ages, construction types and locations? Miraculously the figure was always the same despite the plethora of differences. Let's remind the electorate of the figure that supports the PCCs mandate to close all of these police stations, 15%! karlmarx
  • Score: 8

9:05pm Sat 24 May 14

Grampie says...

karlmarx wrote:
And yet nine jobs is wandering around as if everything is fine and dandy and under control! Quite clearly this is not the case as these knee-jerk proposals appear to change on a weekly basis as well as the obvious escalating costs being kept secret. Remind us all again how much we are 'saving' by closing our police station, what was that magic figure that all PCCs used up and down the country to justify closing police stations of differing sizes, ages, construction types and locations? Miraculously the figure was always the same despite the plethora of differences.
Let's remind the electorate of the figure that supports the PCCs mandate to close all of these police stations, 15%!
I think we were told that it cost £500,000 to run the police station each year.

Now we have been told that the value of the old police station is £2,000,000. The estimated cost of building the new custody suite will be £20 million.

It must be costing a load of money to adabt the council house and to build this new campus.

Having three places in the city plus using Amesbury for the response units, intead of a single building is considered to be the most effecient and cost effective way of doing things?

Am I missing something here?

Whatever happened to so called joined up thinking?
[quote][p][bold]karlmarx[/bold] wrote: And yet nine jobs is wandering around as if everything is fine and dandy and under control! Quite clearly this is not the case as these knee-jerk proposals appear to change on a weekly basis as well as the obvious escalating costs being kept secret. Remind us all again how much we are 'saving' by closing our police station, what was that magic figure that all PCCs used up and down the country to justify closing police stations of differing sizes, ages, construction types and locations? Miraculously the figure was always the same despite the plethora of differences. Let's remind the electorate of the figure that supports the PCCs mandate to close all of these police stations, 15%![/p][/quote]I think we were told that it cost £500,000 to run the police station each year. Now we have been told that the value of the old police station is £2,000,000. The estimated cost of building the new custody suite will be £20 million. It must be costing a load of money to adabt the council house and to build this new campus. Having three places in the city plus using Amesbury for the response units, intead of a single building is considered to be the most effecient and cost effective way of doing things? Am I missing something here? Whatever happened to so called joined up thinking? Grampie
  • Score: 8

9:58am Sun 25 May 14

FreeBornJohn says...

Grampie makes a god point. Part of the reason to do this was joined up thinking, Police working with council and social services. Making them work in the same open plan office would encourage joint working. Lets ignore the psychological research that shows that open plan working reduces joint working. This plan has now scattered the Police all over the place, three so called Police Stations now, Response in Amesbury ten miles away and an overall cost of more £20m to pay for the fiasco.

I will repeat my prediction, the custody suite will never be built, Wilts Police will have less than 1000 officers next election time, we will all be worse off and criminal having a merry old time and nine jobs will have destroyed the best Police Force in the country. And he will be re elected.
Grampie makes a god point. Part of the reason to do this was joined up thinking, Police working with council and social services. Making them work in the same open plan office would encourage joint working. Lets ignore the psychological research that shows that open plan working reduces joint working. This plan has now scattered the Police all over the place, three so called Police Stations now, Response in Amesbury ten miles away and an overall cost of more £20m to pay for the fiasco. I will repeat my prediction, the custody suite will never be built, Wilts Police will have less than 1000 officers next election time, we will all be worse off and criminal having a merry old time and nine jobs will have destroyed the best Police Force in the country. And he will be re elected. FreeBornJohn
  • Score: 7

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