Concern ahead of police station move

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WITH just four days to go before the police open their new station in Salisbury’s Bourne Hill council offices, serious concerns have been raised about the future policing of the city.

Salisbury area board chairman Ricky Rogers said he has major concerns about the security of civilian staff working at the site and how people will access the service in the longer term.

There will be a local crime team and detectives based at Bourne Hill but at times, especially in the evenings, there will be a lone person on duty on a front desk.

“Staff believe the council do not have a clear understanding of some of the issues dealt with in a police inquiry office”, Cllr Rogers said.

He said other problems could arise after the move to the new campus at Five Rivers and that which services will be provided from which site has not been made clear.

“I do not believe the services being provided from each of the sites have been clearly defined,” he said.

“When the campus is finished, and the police officers move there, the public won’t have any access to speak to them.

“The service available at the campus will just be some basic signposting and use of a phone to a call centre in Devizes.

“I don’t think anybody understands what our new model police station is going to be like.”

And he has concerns about reliance on civilian volunteers to run the campus.

In a joint response, the police and council said that once the campus opens, they will “ensure the public is fully aware of which services are being offered from which location”.

Health and safety teams have carried out a risk assessment and put in place practical solutions to protect staff and the public, they said.

The front door at Bourne Hill will be locked at 8pm, as it currently is at Bourne Hill.

A statement said: “The full range of police front counter services will be delivered at Bourne Hill, with the exception of registered sex offenders who will be dealt with at the nearest prescribed police station.

“There will be a private space available to anyone reporting issues of a sensitive nature.”

They are also looking to have a similar private space at the new campus, and “a suitable trained officer will be contacted to deal with sensitive issues appropriately”.

Campus staff will be advised how to handle a variety of situations should they arise.

They said the police and the council will collaborate wherever they can to provide a better service and cut costs.

“However, operational policing will remain independent.”

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10:05am Thu 26 Jun 14

vcg507 says...

If I am the victim of a Rape, where will I go to be examined and have my statement recorded?

If I am a victim of a crime, where will I go to have my elimination fingerprints taken?

If I am a victim of a crime, where will I go to attend an video identity parade?

If I am a victim of an assault, where will I go to have my injuries photographed?

If I am a vulnerable victim , where will I go to have my evidence video recorded?

The 'private room' at Bourne Hill looks like it's going to be very busy indeed.

Glad to see the PCC is 'putting victims first'.
If I am the victim of a Rape, where will I go to be examined and have my statement recorded? If I am a victim of a crime, where will I go to have my elimination fingerprints taken? If I am a victim of a crime, where will I go to attend an video identity parade? If I am a victim of an assault, where will I go to have my injuries photographed? If I am a vulnerable victim , where will I go to have my evidence video recorded? The 'private room' at Bourne Hill looks like it's going to be very busy indeed. Glad to see the PCC is 'putting victims first'. vcg507
  • Score: 31

2:01pm Thu 26 Jun 14

karlmarx says...

vcg507 wrote:
If I am the victim of a Rape, where will I go to be examined and have my statement recorded?

If I am a victim of a crime, where will I go to have my elimination fingerprints taken?

If I am a victim of a crime, where will I go to attend an video identity parade?

If I am a victim of an assault, where will I go to have my injuries photographed?

If I am a vulnerable victim , where will I go to have my evidence video recorded?

The 'private room' at Bourne Hill looks like it's going to be very busy indeed.

Glad to see the PCC is 'putting victims first'.
All of these points and many more were raised at various times prior to, during and after the announcement of the closure of Salisbury police station. Various 'plans', alternatives and speculation later and we still have no idea at all. We have only just been informed of where the custody suite will be, contaminated land and taxpayer rescue funding permitting. Of course the costs keep escalating, as they do with most ill-thought out and ill-concieved 'plans'. I wouldn't like to be lone working amidst all this chaos and confusion and, have much respect for our local police officers who are doing a wonderful job under extremely difficult circumstances and uncertain times.
[quote][p][bold]vcg507[/bold] wrote: If I am the victim of a Rape, where will I go to be examined and have my statement recorded? If I am a victim of a crime, where will I go to have my elimination fingerprints taken? If I am a victim of a crime, where will I go to attend an video identity parade? If I am a victim of an assault, where will I go to have my injuries photographed? If I am a vulnerable victim , where will I go to have my evidence video recorded? The 'private room' at Bourne Hill looks like it's going to be very busy indeed. Glad to see the PCC is 'putting victims first'.[/p][/quote]All of these points and many more were raised at various times prior to, during and after the announcement of the closure of Salisbury police station. Various 'plans', alternatives and speculation later and we still have no idea at all. We have only just been informed of where the custody suite will be, contaminated land and taxpayer rescue funding permitting. Of course the costs keep escalating, as they do with most ill-thought out and ill-concieved 'plans'. I wouldn't like to be lone working amidst all this chaos and confusion and, have much respect for our local police officers who are doing a wonderful job under extremely difficult circumstances and uncertain times. karlmarx
  • Score: 3

2:43pm Thu 26 Jun 14

IanMcL says...

I am struggling to get my head around the fact that Bourne Hill was very expensively designed as office space without public access except by appointment. Suddenly all and sundry can wander in?

If I was working late at the council and something kicked off...what security is in place?

Rushed pigs ear!
I am struggling to get my head around the fact that Bourne Hill was very expensively designed as office space without public access except by appointment. Suddenly all and sundry can wander in? If I was working late at the council and something kicked off...what security is in place? Rushed pigs ear! IanMcL
  • Score: 16

3:11pm Thu 26 Jun 14

HappyChappie15 says...

The art of good management is to get the first decision right and then on the basis of a detailed plan roll out the rest of the project on time, on budget and without problems. Sadly, this appears to have started with a wrong decision and everything has got progressively worse ever since. I feel very sorry for the police officers and council staff who will be on the receiving end of what appears to be poor planning.
The art of good management is to get the first decision right and then on the basis of a detailed plan roll out the rest of the project on time, on budget and without problems. Sadly, this appears to have started with a wrong decision and everything has got progressively worse ever since. I feel very sorry for the police officers and council staff who will be on the receiving end of what appears to be poor planning. HappyChappie15
  • Score: 15

6:27pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Morello says...

HappyChappie15 wrote:
The art of good management is to get the first decision right and then on the basis of a detailed plan roll out the rest of the project on time, on budget and without problems. Sadly, this appears to have started with a wrong decision and everything has got progressively worse ever since. I feel very sorry for the police officers and council staff who will be on the receiving end of what appears to be poor planning.
Ah now you could be the chappie to put me straight on all this.

I realise that one can become a Councillor without any qualifications or intelligence or anything. That's OK because it makes the elections fair. But if elected one could have to make big decisions that are actually beyond one's ability.
It would then seem logical for the Councillors to employ experts to run the organisation and give impartial expert advice about the options when it comes to making really big decisions.
In our case, the Councillors have decided to pay the top executives vast salaries but presumably that's because they give really super advice upon which to make those big decisions.

Why then, chappie, do they so regularly make such spectacularly bad decisions that would have us normal mortals on a disciplinary ?
[quote][p][bold]HappyChappie15[/bold] wrote: The art of good management is to get the first decision right and then on the basis of a detailed plan roll out the rest of the project on time, on budget and without problems. Sadly, this appears to have started with a wrong decision and everything has got progressively worse ever since. I feel very sorry for the police officers and council staff who will be on the receiving end of what appears to be poor planning.[/p][/quote]Ah now you could be the chappie to put me straight on all this. I realise that one can become a Councillor without any qualifications or intelligence or anything. That's OK because it makes the elections fair. But if elected one could have to make big decisions that are actually beyond one's ability. It would then seem logical for the Councillors to employ experts to run the organisation and give impartial expert advice about the options when it comes to making really big decisions. In our case, the Councillors have decided to pay the top executives vast salaries but presumably that's because they give really super advice upon which to make those big decisions. Why then, chappie, do they so regularly make such spectacularly bad decisions that would have us normal mortals on a disciplinary ? Morello
  • Score: 10

6:48pm Thu 26 Jun 14

Friend of the People says...

This is all a result of Wiltshire Council having aspirations to take over other public services and increase its empire.

I detect the same process at work in Wiltshire Council's - and the North Wilts Mafia's - stance on the future of the Fire Service.

The Empire grows but the local service suffers.
This is all a result of Wiltshire Council having aspirations to take over other public services and increase its empire. I detect the same process at work in Wiltshire Council's - and the North Wilts Mafia's - stance on the future of the Fire Service. The Empire grows but the local service suffers. Friend of the People
  • Score: 11

7:13am Fri 27 Jun 14

Petera says...

It will so difficult to report crime that a lot will be unreported. Reported crime levels will go down. Happy councillors will then call the whole shambles a success. Shame on them.
It will so difficult to report crime that a lot will be unreported. Reported crime levels will go down. Happy councillors will then call the whole shambles a success. Shame on them. Petera
  • Score: 8

9:09am Fri 27 Jun 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

and once again more City Centre car park spaces lost!
Yesterday the College St car park was full and 3 of the spaces taken by marked Police Cars, (no doubt the rest were unmarked Police vehicles) no parking tickets displayed either!
and once again more City Centre car park spaces lost! Yesterday the College St car park was full and 3 of the spaces taken by marked Police Cars, (no doubt the rest were unmarked Police vehicles) no parking tickets displayed either! Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 8

9:22am Fri 27 Jun 14

gingin says...

IanMcL wrote:
I am struggling to get my head around the fact that Bourne Hill was very expensively designed as office space without public access except by appointment. Suddenly all and sundry can wander in?

If I was working late at the council and something kicked off...what security is in place?

Rushed pigs ear!
Unfortunately I am struggling with any decision Wiltshire council makes.

This one is an ill thought out plan!
[quote][p][bold]IanMcL[/bold] wrote: I am struggling to get my head around the fact that Bourne Hill was very expensively designed as office space without public access except by appointment. Suddenly all and sundry can wander in? If I was working late at the council and something kicked off...what security is in place? Rushed pigs ear![/p][/quote]Unfortunately I am struggling with any decision Wiltshire council makes. This one is an ill thought out plan! gingin
  • Score: 7

9:29am Fri 27 Jun 14

gingin says...

Petera wrote:
It will so difficult to report crime that a lot will be unreported. Reported crime levels will go down. Happy councillors will then call the whole shambles a success. Shame on them.
Not all councillors will call the whole shambles a success! The ones that do should be voted out but the chance of that happening is zero.

Don't forget the Tories rule at Trowbridge and any other party councillor hasn't enough numbers to veto it.

Cue negative ticks because someone dares to to be negative about the Tories but remember people out there voted for them and now they are complaining about their actions!
[quote][p][bold]Petera[/bold] wrote: It will so difficult to report crime that a lot will be unreported. Reported crime levels will go down. Happy councillors will then call the whole shambles a success. Shame on them.[/p][/quote]Not all councillors will call the whole shambles a success! The ones that do should be voted out but the chance of that happening is zero. Don't forget the Tories rule at Trowbridge and any other party councillor hasn't enough numbers to veto it. Cue negative ticks because someone dares to to be negative about the Tories but remember people out there voted for them and now they are complaining about their actions! gingin
  • Score: 14

3:28pm Fri 27 Jun 14

karlmarx says...

Quite a few phrases that don't exactly inspire confidence in the 'plan'...

"basic signposting and the use of a phone to call a centre in Devizes"
Engaged

"who will be dealt with at the nearest prescribed police station"
Sunderland?

"there will be a private space available to anyone reporting issues of a sensitive nature"
The toilets?

"campus staff will be advised on how to handle a variety of situations should they arise"
Other situations?

"provide a better service and cut costs"
Oxymoron!!
Quite a few phrases that don't exactly inspire confidence in the 'plan'... "basic signposting and the use of a phone to call a centre in Devizes" Engaged "who will be dealt with at the nearest prescribed police station" Sunderland? "there will be a private space available to anyone reporting issues of a sensitive nature" The toilets? "campus staff will be advised on how to handle a variety of situations should they arise" Other situations? "provide a better service and cut costs" Oxymoron!! karlmarx
  • Score: 5

3:03am Thu 3 Jul 14

karlmarx says...

3rd July 2014 Salisbury Journal

"Two East Dorset police inquiry offices have closed indefinitely in a bid to save £500,000."

There's that magic figure again, £500,000.

I'm almost certain that they are all reading from the same script, after all, buildings of different ages, construction, sizes, locations etc... and yet the figure is always the same, £500,000. This time you get two closures for the price of one, simply astounding.
3rd July 2014 Salisbury Journal "Two East Dorset police inquiry offices have closed indefinitely in a bid to save £500,000." There's that magic figure again, £500,000. I'm almost certain that they are all reading from the same script, after all, buildings of different ages, construction, sizes, locations etc... and yet the figure is always the same, £500,000. This time you get two closures for the price of one, simply astounding. karlmarx
  • Score: 2

9:13am Thu 3 Jul 14

gingin says...

karlmarx wrote:
3rd July 2014 Salisbury Journal

"Two East Dorset police inquiry offices have closed indefinitely in a bid to save £500,000."

There's that magic figure again, £500,000.

I'm almost certain that they are all reading from the same script, after all, buildings of different ages, construction, sizes, locations etc... and yet the figure is always the same, £500,000. This time you get two closures for the price of one, simply astounding.
I did laugh Karl at your last sentence. However it is not funny it's really serious that the public are being conned with this "magic" number.

They must think we were all born yesterday. Whatever the cost the public would like the truth.
[quote][p][bold]karlmarx[/bold] wrote: 3rd July 2014 Salisbury Journal "Two East Dorset police inquiry offices have closed indefinitely in a bid to save £500,000." There's that magic figure again, £500,000. I'm almost certain that they are all reading from the same script, after all, buildings of different ages, construction, sizes, locations etc... and yet the figure is always the same, £500,000. This time you get two closures for the price of one, simply astounding.[/p][/quote]I did laugh Karl at your last sentence. However it is not funny it's really serious that the public are being conned with this "magic" number. They must think we were all born yesterday. Whatever the cost the public would like the truth. gingin
  • Score: 0

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