Mass New Forest bike events come under fire

A CYCLING event in the new Forest has come under fire from residents claiming many entrants are inconsiderate to motorists and livestock.

Some 1,300 cyclists took to the road on Sunday, October 7 to take part in the New Forest 100, a non-competitive road event organised by UK Cycling Events.

Motorist Frances Baye said: “I was trying to overtake the cyclists as I was approaching Burley and it was virtually impossible.

“A group of cyclists refused to get into single file and continued to overtake each other, despite knowing there was a queue of traffic behind them.

“I am not against these cyclists enjoying the fresh air and getting fit but think consideration has to be the priority.”

A resident, who asked not to be named, said: “Despite these types of events not being classed as a race, the competitors are consistently in a hurry to pass other competitors at speed and in large packs.

“They can cause anguish to Forest stock and other cyclists, including children, who are not involved in the race, as well as cars and other vehicles.

“Last weekend was really the last straw with a ridiculous numbers of competitors.

“There were as many as four cyclists abreast on each side of the road; they were nearly crashing into each other at speed, going downhill, never mind the traffic trying to go up and down the road.

“What can we do about this?”

One of the world’s oldest conservation groups, the New Forest Association, said it was aware of the concerns and was in discussions with cycling groups to “find a way forward”.

Association chairman Peter Roberts said: “Cycling is a good healthy sport but some of the events impinge on the New Forest because of a lack of understanding of how the Forest works.

“We hope to help in the organisation of cycling events, so we can help ensure there is appropriate behaviour.

Way forward “Many people who enter think ‘great, a national park’ and are not aware how the livestock and animals work. We are considering the issues to find a way forward.”

A New Forest National Park Authority spokesman said: “The New Forest National Park Authority encourages responsible cycling in the New Forest.

“Even though there is no legal requirement for non-competitive cycling events to inform or seek consent from the highway authority, landowner or police, and the National Park Authority has no powers to regulate these events, the approach has been to work with event organisers and communities to try and find ways to address concerns.”

Director of UK Cycling events Martin Barden said: “Some 1,300 people took part in the New Forest 100, many of whom travelled from all over the country to take part, to experience the beautiful national park and assist the local economy in these difficult times.

“There are one or two people who live in the New Forest who believe they own the New Forest roads.

“The roads are public highways and cyclists have every right to cycle along them and get fit and enjoy the New Forest.

“The event on Sunday was a non-competitive event, with riders’ start times spread out from 7.30am to 10.15am.

“As per our terms and conditions, anyone who is deemed to be racing would be disqualified.

“We ask cyclists to ride considerately and in single file where possible, although riders are legally allowed to ride two abreast.”

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9:31am Sat 20 Oct 12

Village Idiot says...

Mr Barden, your cyclists do indeed have every right to use the highway, and I would remind you that so do motor cycles, horse riders and car drivers. All of whom have to obey certain laws. One of which is, you must allow all traffic to pass you on your right! That would mean your cyclists allowing enough room for all others forms of transport to pass, not ride several abreast so they may chat to one another and cause a backlog. If you wish good manners to be extended to you, it works both ways. And as an aside, I would ask that none of your cyclists bang on the roof of any vehcle just because they seem to think that that car is to close!
Mr Barden, your cyclists do indeed have every right to use the highway, and I would remind you that so do motor cycles, horse riders and car drivers. All of whom have to obey certain laws. One of which is, you must allow all traffic to pass you on your right! That would mean your cyclists allowing enough room for all others forms of transport to pass, not ride several abreast so they may chat to one another and cause a backlog. If you wish good manners to be extended to you, it works both ways. And as an aside, I would ask that none of your cyclists bang on the roof of any vehcle just because they seem to think that that car is to close! Village Idiot

10:19am Sat 20 Oct 12

aldonreaper says...

having nearly killed many cyclists who are so arogant on main roads let alone forest roads its about time the police gave on the spot fine to them for dangerouse riding, sorry peddlars but more and more idiots are giving the good guys a bad name
having nearly killed many cyclists who are so arogant on main roads let alone forest roads its about time the police gave on the spot fine to them for dangerouse riding, sorry peddlars but more and more idiots are giving the good guys a bad name aldonreaper

10:21am Sat 20 Oct 12

aldonreaper says...

We ask cyclists to ride considerately and in single file where possible, although riders are legally allowed to ride two abreast.”
Get it right add ; so long as its not causing a n obstruction to traffic
We ask cyclists to ride considerately and in single file where possible, although riders are legally allowed to ride two abreast.” Get it right add ; so long as its not causing a n obstruction to traffic aldonreaper

9:28pm Sat 20 Oct 12

FNS-man says...

I heartily agree. How many people and animals in the forest must be killed by cyclists before something must be done?

What's that? No human or animal has been killed by a cyclist in the New Forest? The main issue is that cars have to slow down for five minutes? Well, I'm a bit confused, Ted.
I heartily agree. How many people and animals in the forest must be killed by cyclists before something must be done? What's that? No human or animal has been killed by a cyclist in the New Forest? The main issue is that cars have to slow down for five minutes? Well, I'm a bit confused, Ted. FNS-man

10:41pm Sat 20 Oct 12

tiredofwhiners says...

Okay, lets put the good people of the thread straight on a few facts. the facts being that the Highway Code defines what is and isn't acceptable in terms of rod behaviour.

@Village Idiot

The Highway Code gives cyclist the absolute right to cycle two abreast if they see fit. Your desire to overtake unsafely, does not require that cyclists get out of the way to smooth your journey. if you cannot overtake two cyclists riding abreast, then chill and accept that other road users are in front of you and you have no right in law to demand they move over for you.

@aldonreaper

It appears your driving skills are amiss if you are 'nearly killing many cyclists' as you say. Can I suggest a remedial course of action and relearning the Highway Code before venturing out again ? You are also mistaken to believe that car users have priority over cyclists. this is a fact in law, so suggesting that cyclists are 'causing an obstruction' is in error.

@FNS-man

You are right that 100% of all animals that are killed in the New Forest are killed by drivers - presumably the same type as aldonreaper. Cyclists do not scare animals in the New Forest but drivers certainly do. During 2009, 24 foals and 41 mares were either killed outright or had to be put down following collisions with motor vehicles in the New Forest.There has never ben a recoded instance of a cyclist killing an animal - all killed animals have been attributed to car vehicles.

There were undoubtedly cases of bad cycling which no right minded cyclist will defend in the slightest, but sadly it is often the attitude and driving skills of the above posters in cars who cause more havoc on the roads than anyone else.

There are a few more large events this year so can I suggest that if you are unaware of the basics of the Highway Code, the principles laid out therein regarding the obligations of a driver and how to share the road with others who have paid just as much for the roads as you have, that you stay at home those days.

And before you start to complain about 'road tax' and insurance, you'll find that all the riders are insured, and that the roads are paid for from general taxation, not the little sticker on your windscreen.
Okay, lets put the good people of the thread straight on a few facts. the facts being that the Highway Code defines what is and isn't acceptable in terms of rod behaviour. @Village Idiot The Highway Code gives cyclist the absolute right to cycle two abreast if they see fit. Your desire to overtake unsafely, does not require that cyclists get out of the way to smooth your journey. if you cannot overtake two cyclists riding abreast, then chill and accept that other road users are in front of you and you have no right in law to demand they move over for you. @aldonreaper It appears your driving skills are amiss if you are 'nearly killing many cyclists' as you say. Can I suggest a remedial course of action and relearning the Highway Code before venturing out again ? You are also mistaken to believe that car users have priority over cyclists. this is a fact in law, so suggesting that cyclists are 'causing an obstruction' is in error. @FNS-man You are right that 100% of all animals that are killed in the New Forest are killed by drivers - presumably the same type as aldonreaper. Cyclists do not scare animals in the New Forest but drivers certainly do. During 2009, 24 foals and 41 mares were either killed outright or had to be put down following collisions with motor vehicles in the New Forest.There has never ben a recoded instance of a cyclist killing an animal - all killed animals have been attributed to car vehicles. There were undoubtedly cases of bad cycling which no right minded cyclist will defend in the slightest, but sadly it is often the attitude and driving skills of the above posters in cars who cause more havoc on the roads than anyone else. There are a few more large events this year so can I suggest that if you are unaware of the basics of the Highway Code, the principles laid out therein regarding the obligations of a driver and how to share the road with others who have paid just as much for the roads as you have, that you stay at home those days. And before you start to complain about 'road tax' and insurance, you'll find that all the riders are insured, and that the roads are paid for from general taxation, not the little sticker on your windscreen. tiredofwhiners

8:01am Sun 21 Oct 12

Village Idiot says...

tiredofwhiners wrote:
Okay, lets put the good people of the thread straight on a few facts. the facts being that the Highway Code defines what is and isn't acceptable in terms of rod behaviour. @Village Idiot The Highway Code gives cyclist the absolute right to cycle two abreast if they see fit. Your desire to overtake unsafely, does not require that cyclists get out of the way to smooth your journey. if you cannot overtake two cyclists riding abreast, then chill and accept that other road users are in front of you and you have no right in law to demand they move over for you. @aldonreaper It appears your driving skills are amiss if you are 'nearly killing many cyclists' as you say. Can I suggest a remedial course of action and relearning the Highway Code before venturing out again ? You are also mistaken to believe that car users have priority over cyclists. this is a fact in law, so suggesting that cyclists are 'causing an obstruction' is in error. @FNS-man You are right that 100% of all animals that are killed in the New Forest are killed by drivers - presumably the same type as aldonreaper. Cyclists do not scare animals in the New Forest but drivers certainly do. During 2009, 24 foals and 41 mares were either killed outright or had to be put down following collisions with motor vehicles in the New Forest.There has never ben a recoded instance of a cyclist killing an animal - all killed animals have been attributed to car vehicles. There were undoubtedly cases of bad cycling which no right minded cyclist will defend in the slightest, but sadly it is often the attitude and driving skills of the above posters in cars who cause more havoc on the roads than anyone else. There are a few more large events this year so can I suggest that if you are unaware of the basics of the Highway Code, the principles laid out therein regarding the obligations of a driver and how to share the road with others who have paid just as much for the roads as you have, that you stay at home those days. And before you start to complain about 'road tax' and insurance, you'll find that all the riders are insured, and that the roads are paid for from general taxation, not the little sticker on your windscreen.
Did we strike a raw nerve? Never mentioned that cyclists couldn't ride two abreast but confirmaed that everyone must let vehicles pass on the right. As you will no doubt be aware, drivers of slow vehicles already do, it is common curtesy to allow those who wish to pass, to give them room to do so.
To maintain that you have the absolute right to cycle two abreast and will continue to do so shows a complete disregard for any other road user. It is no surprise that some groups of cyclists are give short shrift by other road users with an attitude like yours!
[quote][p][bold]tiredofwhiners[/bold] wrote: Okay, lets put the good people of the thread straight on a few facts. the facts being that the Highway Code defines what is and isn't acceptable in terms of rod behaviour. @Village Idiot The Highway Code gives cyclist the absolute right to cycle two abreast if they see fit. Your desire to overtake unsafely, does not require that cyclists get out of the way to smooth your journey. if you cannot overtake two cyclists riding abreast, then chill and accept that other road users are in front of you and you have no right in law to demand they move over for you. @aldonreaper It appears your driving skills are amiss if you are 'nearly killing many cyclists' as you say. Can I suggest a remedial course of action and relearning the Highway Code before venturing out again ? You are also mistaken to believe that car users have priority over cyclists. this is a fact in law, so suggesting that cyclists are 'causing an obstruction' is in error. @FNS-man You are right that 100% of all animals that are killed in the New Forest are killed by drivers - presumably the same type as aldonreaper. Cyclists do not scare animals in the New Forest but drivers certainly do. During 2009, 24 foals and 41 mares were either killed outright or had to be put down following collisions with motor vehicles in the New Forest.There has never ben a recoded instance of a cyclist killing an animal - all killed animals have been attributed to car vehicles. There were undoubtedly cases of bad cycling which no right minded cyclist will defend in the slightest, but sadly it is often the attitude and driving skills of the above posters in cars who cause more havoc on the roads than anyone else. There are a few more large events this year so can I suggest that if you are unaware of the basics of the Highway Code, the principles laid out therein regarding the obligations of a driver and how to share the road with others who have paid just as much for the roads as you have, that you stay at home those days. And before you start to complain about 'road tax' and insurance, you'll find that all the riders are insured, and that the roads are paid for from general taxation, not the little sticker on your windscreen.[/p][/quote]Did we strike a raw nerve? Never mentioned that cyclists couldn't ride two abreast but confirmaed that everyone must let vehicles pass on the right. As you will no doubt be aware, drivers of slow vehicles already do, it is common curtesy to allow those who wish to pass, to give them room to do so. To maintain that you have the absolute right to cycle two abreast and will continue to do so shows a complete disregard for any other road user. It is no surprise that some groups of cyclists are give short shrift by other road users with an attitude like yours! Village Idiot

9:20am Sun 21 Oct 12

spankdex_clod says...

If you've overtaken a cyclist and they are able to touch your car at all, you are too close.
If you've overtaken a cyclist and they are able to touch your car at all, you are too close. spankdex_clod

12:34pm Sun 21 Oct 12

aldonreaper says...

I have no problem with normal cyclists and have been one myself, I am on about the idiots who think that they have all the rights because they are a cyclist and to tiredofwhiners i have never hit a cylist yet but did once run over a dork who ran out in front of my car from behind a coach in the dark (he was well drunk as well)so the point is if we all respect each other no problem, the problem is mass cycling events dont consider anyone else bar themselves, if we drove cars in convoy like they do we would be prosecuted for dangerouse driving, obstructing the highway ect so why not them
I have no problem with normal cyclists and have been one myself, I am on about the idiots who think that they have all the rights because they are a cyclist and to tiredofwhiners i have never hit a cylist yet but did once run over a dork who ran out in front of my car from behind a coach in the dark (he was well drunk as well)so the point is if we all respect each other no problem, the problem is mass cycling events dont consider anyone else bar themselves, if we drove cars in convoy like they do we would be prosecuted for dangerouse driving, obstructing the highway ect so why not them aldonreaper

11:28pm Sun 21 Oct 12

downfader says...

aldonreaper wrote:
I have no problem with normal cyclists and have been one myself, I am on about the idiots who think that they have all the rights because they are a cyclist and to tiredofwhiners i have never hit a cylist yet but did once run over a dork who ran out in front of my car from behind a coach in the dark (he was well drunk as well)so the point is if we all respect each other no problem, the problem is mass cycling events dont consider anyone else bar themselves, if we drove cars in convoy like they do we would be prosecuted for dangerouse driving, obstructing the highway ect so why not them
Driving in convoy... do you mean like in most towns and cities, and an most main roads - usually in traffic jams doing no more than 10mph with just the driver in the car..?

I'll be honest here - I dont think people like yourself have any clue as to what they're talking about, or about the needs or rights of cycling here in the UK. So what? People were two abreast, no is isnt against the law and with that many riders and that much notice of such an event why did people not make other plans? Drive on other routes.

I'll bet you anything "Motorist" Mr Baye was one person in a domestic car. Hoist by his own petard when realistically its almost antisocial to suck up road space like that thesedays.

Aldon, you're own comment comes from the same staple as "I'm not racist but.." when you start with "I have no problem with normal cyclists.."
[quote][p][bold]aldonreaper[/bold] wrote: I have no problem with normal cyclists and have been one myself, I am on about the idiots who think that they have all the rights because they are a cyclist and to tiredofwhiners i have never hit a cylist yet but did once run over a dork who ran out in front of my car from behind a coach in the dark (he was well drunk as well)so the point is if we all respect each other no problem, the problem is mass cycling events dont consider anyone else bar themselves, if we drove cars in convoy like they do we would be prosecuted for dangerouse driving, obstructing the highway ect so why not them[/p][/quote]Driving in convoy... do you mean like in most towns and cities, and an most main roads - usually in traffic jams doing no more than 10mph with just the driver in the car..? I'll be honest here - I dont think people like yourself have any clue as to what they're talking about, or about the needs or rights of cycling here in the UK. So what? People were two abreast, no is isnt against the law and with that many riders and that much notice of such an event why did people not make other plans? Drive on other routes. I'll bet you anything "Motorist" Mr Baye was one person in a domestic car. Hoist by his own petard when realistically its almost antisocial to suck up road space like that thesedays. Aldon, you're own comment comes from the same staple as "I'm not racist but.." when you start with "I have no problem with normal cyclists.." downfader

9:51am Mon 22 Oct 12

aldonreaper says...

ha ha ha love the banter
ha ha ha love the banter aldonreaper

4:43pm Mon 22 Oct 12

WangyFerret says...

Bravo tiredofwhiners! And, to all motorists who would rather cyclists didn't bang on their cars when they pass them, give them some room!! If a cyclist can touch / bang your car then you are way too close to them!
Bravo tiredofwhiners! And, to all motorists who would rather cyclists didn't bang on their cars when they pass them, give them some room!! If a cyclist can touch / bang your car then you are way too close to them! WangyFerret

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