City share of council tax to rise by 16 per cent

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PEOPLE in Salisbury are set to see the city part of their council tax rise by an average of 16.6 per cent, while £10,000 is to be spent on finding out whether taking over the closed bus station is feasible.

City councillors decided at a meeting on Monday that they would spend the cash to appoint a consultant to see if there is a business case to take over the station, which was closed earlier this month after the Go Ahead group, which owns Wilts & Dorset buses, said it was not commercially viable to keep it open.

The proposal proved controversial, with several members speaking out against it.

Cllr Ian Tomes said: “We are talking about wasting £10,000. It’s madness to be quite frank.”

And Cllr Tom Corbin said: “In this meeting the Conservatives supported the bus station bid process at a very conservative estimate of £10,000, which we feel is somewhere very wide of the mark given we have absolutely no professional knowledge or experience to run such an asset. I think we may have suggested £30,000 as a more realistic figure.”

At the same meeting councillors set their budget for the coming financial year, which will equate to an extra £15 on the average Band D property, rising from £90 to £105.

This will be just for the city council’s part of the tax, with potential rises to come from the precepts for the fire and police service and Wiltshire Council.

City council leader Andrew Roberts said: “Any increase in taxes is always unwelcome but a decline in the standard of the city would be worse. While the percentage rise in the precept this year appears dramatic, we should not forget that a large percentage of a small number is still a small number and that over 60 per cent of Salisbury households pay less than the full band D precept.

“Having provided the necessary means this year we are firm in our intent to make no further increases in the next two years. So the Band D precept will have risen from £80 to £105 over eight years, broadly in line with inflation, while we have made major investments in city assets and events without significant outside support."

But Cllr Patricia Fagan, who was voted in after a by-election last week, said: “It’s my first meeting and I am horrified at the disregard for the residents.

“I’ve been out canvassing very recently and that isn’t what the residents wanted at all.”

It was accepted that the money spent on consultants for the bus station could be more or less than allocated and that it is unclear if any operators would be willing to run bus services even if the station were to be taken on by the council as a community asset.

Cllr Corbin said that when Go Ahead were asked this at a previous meeting “we were met with pretty much a silence; no forthcoming ‘yes we will use the bus station if you take it on’.”

The bus station is currently on the market, and Wiltshire Council has put in new bus stops and layover bays around the city centre, at an estimated cost of £100,000.

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9:09am Thu 23 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

We know the police are looking at a rise of just over £3 per year in their precept. The fire service have not formally announced their decision yet (or not that I have heard).

Wiltshire Council are aiming at no increase to Council Tax this year. We will know inside the next week or so if we are able to deliver that but I am confident we will.

With regard to the City Council precept, I was in the audience during the meeting. I was interested to note that both sides (Conservative and Labour) were suggesting budget plans that would end up with the same increase in City Precept by 2017. The differences were that Labour wanted three increases of £5 the Conservatives wanted it all done in one go.

Of greater interest I though was the way that they were looking at making budget reductions. There was a proposal to stop funding the St Georges day celebration and Carnival which fortunately did not get voted through. Instead savings are being made through back office reductions.

Also a £20,000 profit target has been set for the Market Place to be made from events there. I think that is a modest target, the Christmas Market and Charter Fair show what can be done with the Market and Guildhall Squares without charging people to attend the events. I hope that a great deal more can be raised through this method, I would be aiming for £100,000.
We know the police are looking at a rise of just over £3 per year in their precept. The fire service have not formally announced their decision yet (or not that I have heard). Wiltshire Council are aiming at no increase to Council Tax this year. We will know inside the next week or so if we are able to deliver that but I am confident we will. With regard to the City Council precept, I was in the audience during the meeting. I was interested to note that both sides (Conservative and Labour) were suggesting budget plans that would end up with the same increase in City Precept by 2017. The differences were that Labour wanted three increases of £5 the Conservatives wanted it all done in one go. Of greater interest I though was the way that they were looking at making budget reductions. There was a proposal to stop funding the St Georges day celebration and Carnival which fortunately did not get voted through. Instead savings are being made through back office reductions. Also a £20,000 profit target has been set for the Market Place to be made from events there. I think that is a modest target, the Christmas Market and Charter Fair show what can be done with the Market and Guildhall Squares without charging people to attend the events. I hope that a great deal more can be raised through this method, I would be aiming for £100,000. Richard Clewer
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9:24am Thu 23 Jan 14

journalist1 says...

If the Vision could be persuaded to put a transport interchange in the Maltings/Central Car Park redevelopment would that do away with the need for a bus station?
If the Vision could be persuaded to put a transport interchange in the Maltings/Central Car Park redevelopment would that do away with the need for a bus station? journalist1
  • Score: 6

10:58am Thu 23 Jan 14

hoofey says...

When businesses reach stagnant growth they tend to invest in assets. It would be interesting to see if it were possible to run the bus station. The potential rental income I would imagine could be greater than any interest achieved by any bank or investment fund.

If memory severs much of the station was disused or dedicated to office space. Local businesses could be encouraged to occupy these spaces and a greater return on investment. Perhaps the precept wouldn't need to go by so much in the future.

A local businessmen.
When businesses reach stagnant growth they tend to invest in assets. It would be interesting to see if it were possible to run the bus station. The potential rental income I would imagine could be greater than any interest achieved by any bank or investment fund. If memory severs much of the station was disused or dedicated to office space. Local businesses could be encouraged to occupy these spaces and a greater return on investment. Perhaps the precept wouldn't need to go by so much in the future. A local businessmen. hoofey
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11:32am Thu 23 Jan 14

DomImms says...

A real opportunity exists here in my view. It was reported a few months ago in the journal that there will be no city centre site for Tourist coaches to park up once the maltings has been developed.

If no bus company would want to opporate from the bus station perhaps a coach park and welcome centre could be the solution, again with spare space given to local business to rent.

This in my view would encourage more tour operators to add salisbury as a destination increasing the tourist footfall. It would also have a positive effect on the secondary shopping streets around the market square such as Winchester street and Endless st.

I dont think it would be particulary hard for the parish council to operate as landlords gaining rental and also owning an asset which would be of benefit for the city.

In my expereince of Salisbury commerical property rarley comes up for sale and if it does it tends to be expensive. I would imagine this will be the case for years to come. A city dominated by invesmtent firms owning large propety portfolios is in my view a sad state of affairs and has lead (again in my view) unjustifiable high rents vs average income in Salisbury and district. Here is a chance to make a positive difference to the city and a small step towards encouraging smaller businesses to open in a good location for a fair rent.

stick it to the man and all that

Dom, Cambridge Wine Merchants
A real opportunity exists here in my view. It was reported a few months ago in the journal that there will be no city centre site for Tourist coaches to park up once the maltings has been developed. If no bus company would want to opporate from the bus station perhaps a coach park and welcome centre could be the solution, again with spare space given to local business to rent. This in my view would encourage more tour operators to add salisbury as a destination increasing the tourist footfall. It would also have a positive effect on the secondary shopping streets around the market square such as Winchester street and Endless st. I dont think it would be particulary hard for the parish council to operate as landlords gaining rental and also owning an asset which would be of benefit for the city. In my expereince of Salisbury commerical property rarley comes up for sale and if it does it tends to be expensive. I would imagine this will be the case for years to come. A city dominated by invesmtent firms owning large propety portfolios is in my view a sad state of affairs and has lead (again in my view) unjustifiable high rents vs average income in Salisbury and district. Here is a chance to make a positive difference to the city and a small step towards encouraging smaller businesses to open in a good location for a fair rent. stick it to the man and all that Dom, Cambridge Wine Merchants DomImms
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12:06pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

We are working on a transport interchange in the Maltings. A sort of drop off point plus is a viable option in my view.

We also have plans which are being considered for placing short stay coach parking in Brown Street with longer stay parking at Britford (which was always the intention of the Britford site).

There are a number of issues about the Bus Station plan. Firstly the City Council needs to put a bid in and get it accepted which may be tricky. Secondly we would need to get an agreement for the Bus Companies to use the bus station in the future. It will be a difficult path and I wish Matthew Dean good luck in it. I will help him where I can. In honestly I think it is unlikely to succeed but that does not mean we should not try.

I very much like the idea of using office/retail space there. I wonder if something around the indoor market would be viable on the same site on a small scale.
We are working on a transport interchange in the Maltings. A sort of drop off point plus is a viable option in my view. We also have plans which are being considered for placing short stay coach parking in Brown Street with longer stay parking at Britford (which was always the intention of the Britford site). There are a number of issues about the Bus Station plan. Firstly the City Council needs to put a bid in and get it accepted which may be tricky. Secondly we would need to get an agreement for the Bus Companies to use the bus station in the future. It will be a difficult path and I wish Matthew Dean good luck in it. I will help him where I can. In honestly I think it is unlikely to succeed but that does not mean we should not try. I very much like the idea of using office/retail space there. I wonder if something around the indoor market would be viable on the same site on a small scale. Richard Clewer
  • Score: -16

1:59pm Thu 23 Jan 14

hillyanne says...

Old bus station RIP.We're managing very well now without it.Spend the money more wisely!
Old bus station RIP.We're managing very well now without it.Spend the money more wisely! hillyanne
  • Score: 14

2:49pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

I am not sure that most people I talk to would agree. I suspect you are right and it is gone but it the view of the wider public is important here as well
I am not sure that most people I talk to would agree. I suspect you are right and it is gone but it the view of the wider public is important here as well Richard Clewer
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4:42pm Thu 23 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

"City council leader Andrew Roberts said: “Any increase in taxes is always unwelcome"

Yes indeed, we shall remember this next spring and remind people of course that...


But Cllr Patricia Fagan, who was voted in after a by-election last week, said: “It’s my first meeting and I am horrified at the disregard for the residents.

“I’ve been out canvassing very recently and that isn’t what the residents wanted at all.”

Horrified at the disregard for the residents just about sums up the current situation nicely, very astute observation Patricia.
"City council leader Andrew Roberts said: “Any increase in taxes is always unwelcome" Yes indeed, we shall remember this next spring and remind people of course that... But Cllr Patricia Fagan, who was voted in after a by-election last week, said: “It’s my first meeting and I am horrified at the disregard for the residents. “I’ve been out canvassing very recently and that isn’t what the residents wanted at all.” Horrified at the disregard for the residents just about sums up the current situation nicely, very astute observation Patricia. karlmarx
  • Score: 17

8:16pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Spireman says...

hillyanne wrote:
Old bus station RIP.We're managing very well now without it.Spend the money more wisely!
On what? Chinese paving stones perhaps?

The new arrangements look shambolic even though they have been introduced at a quiet time of year. The equally shambolic Wiltshire Council is clearly counting on opposition having died down before the full extent of their failure to save the Bus Station becomes clear in the Spring and Summer.

Surely the most distressing aspect of the whole Bus
Station fiasco is that one of the biggest losers is the Royal British Legion. On several occasions since the closure I have found it almost impossible to walk past their building due to the sheer number of people waiting at Bus Stops What it must be like for elderly or disabled ex-servicemen does not bear thinking about. What a shameful reflection this is on our City and our colonial masters in Trowbridge.
[quote][p][bold]hillyanne[/bold] wrote: Old bus station RIP.We're managing very well now without it.Spend the money more wisely![/p][/quote]On what? Chinese paving stones perhaps? The new arrangements look shambolic even though they have been introduced at a quiet time of year. The equally shambolic Wiltshire Council is clearly counting on opposition having died down before the full extent of their failure to save the Bus Station becomes clear in the Spring and Summer. Surely the most distressing aspect of the whole Bus Station fiasco is that one of the biggest losers is the Royal British Legion. On several occasions since the closure I have found it almost impossible to walk past their building due to the sheer number of people waiting at Bus Stops What it must be like for elderly or disabled ex-servicemen does not bear thinking about. What a shameful reflection this is on our City and our colonial masters in Trowbridge. Spireman
  • Score: 22

9:14pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

Spireman, the Bus Station closure is a decision made by a bus operating company who own the land. It has nothing to do with Trowbridge.

Karl, would you rather see the City Precept not rise and cut services instead? From next year we are expecting capping of Parish Authorities which raise over a certain amount from their precept. That gave the City Council one chance to deal with the reduction in grant they have had.

There were two plans put forward, one to put the precept up in one go avoiding any capping problems, the other to do exactly the same increase in three stages which would have risked being wrecked by any cap imposed.
Spireman, the Bus Station closure is a decision made by a bus operating company who own the land. It has nothing to do with Trowbridge. Karl, would you rather see the City Precept not rise and cut services instead? From next year we are expecting capping of Parish Authorities which raise over a certain amount from their precept. That gave the City Council one chance to deal with the reduction in grant they have had. There were two plans put forward, one to put the precept up in one go avoiding any capping problems, the other to do exactly the same increase in three stages which would have risked being wrecked by any cap imposed. Richard Clewer
  • Score: -17

8:15am Fri 24 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
Spireman, the Bus Station closure is a decision made by a bus operating company who own the land. It has nothing to do with Trowbridge.

Karl, would you rather see the City Precept not rise and cut services instead? From next year we are expecting capping of Parish Authorities which raise over a certain amount from their precept. That gave the City Council one chance to deal with the reduction in grant they have had.

There were two plans put forward, one to put the precept up in one go avoiding any capping problems, the other to do exactly the same increase in three stages which would have risked being wrecked by any cap imposed.
You ARE cutting services! And council tax IS rising! Are you so fooled by your own party political dogma that you can't even see that?
Obviously the bus company were perfectly entitled to sell their bus station. Obviously the local Wiltshire council taxpayer then had to fund, to the tune of £100,000 the new bus shelters and lay-over bays, less for more as you can see, again.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: Spireman, the Bus Station closure is a decision made by a bus operating company who own the land. It has nothing to do with Trowbridge. Karl, would you rather see the City Precept not rise and cut services instead? From next year we are expecting capping of Parish Authorities which raise over a certain amount from their precept. That gave the City Council one chance to deal with the reduction in grant they have had. There were two plans put forward, one to put the precept up in one go avoiding any capping problems, the other to do exactly the same increase in three stages which would have risked being wrecked by any cap imposed.[/p][/quote]You ARE cutting services! And council tax IS rising! Are you so fooled by your own party political dogma that you can't even see that? Obviously the bus company were perfectly entitled to sell their bus station. Obviously the local Wiltshire council taxpayer then had to fund, to the tune of £100,000 the new bus shelters and lay-over bays, less for more as you can see, again. karlmarx
  • Score: 18

10:42am Fri 24 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

Karl, please put the dogma down and look at the reality here.

Wiltshire Council has not increased Council Tax for 5 years now (assuming we get a 0% rise through this year). We have not cut services but found savings in the way we administer and manage along with some changes to the way services work (these have tended to improve services such as the Library Service). I am very proud of what we have achieved as a Council, particularly when you look at other authorities and the cuts they have made. Look at the disaster of Birmingham for example.

The City Council is not cutting any services either. The Labour proposal would have cut some public events. The actual budget looks at making savings from administration and management. They are increasing the City Council part of Council Tax for Salisbury. This is required because Westminster has cut the grant which it gave to Parish Councils (why central government ever gave subsidies to Parishes is a question you need to ask good old Gordon). Also Parish Council are about to get capping imposed on them which will limit their ability to raise money in future years. They need to act now to sort the problem out. The increase in City Council Tax is about 20p per week for Band D.

The Police have cut some services in previous years but are not doing so this year, they are increasing their part of taxation slightly (by just over £3 per year on Band D).

The new bus stops I think came in at about £50,000. As you pointed out that was a requirement the Council had to provide (by law) because Wilts and Dorset closed and are selling the Bus Station.
Karl, please put the dogma down and look at the reality here. Wiltshire Council has not increased Council Tax for 5 years now (assuming we get a 0% rise through this year). We have not cut services but found savings in the way we administer and manage along with some changes to the way services work (these have tended to improve services such as the Library Service). I am very proud of what we have achieved as a Council, particularly when you look at other authorities and the cuts they have made. Look at the disaster of Birmingham for example. The City Council is not cutting any services either. The Labour proposal would have cut some public events. The actual budget looks at making savings from administration and management. They are increasing the City Council part of Council Tax for Salisbury. This is required because Westminster has cut the grant which it gave to Parish Councils (why central government ever gave subsidies to Parishes is a question you need to ask good old Gordon). Also Parish Council are about to get capping imposed on them which will limit their ability to raise money in future years. They need to act now to sort the problem out. The increase in City Council Tax is about 20p per week for Band D. The Police have cut some services in previous years but are not doing so this year, they are increasing their part of taxation slightly (by just over £3 per year on Band D). The new bus stops I think came in at about £50,000. As you pointed out that was a requirement the Council had to provide (by law) because Wilts and Dorset closed and are selling the Bus Station. Richard Clewer
  • Score: -11

11:04am Fri 24 Jan 14

Grampie says...

Don't tell me that Wiltshire has saved money with not reduction in services. You want to talk to some of their employees and they will tell you differently. You are just pouring out the same old party line Richard.
Don't tell me that Wiltshire has saved money with not reduction in services. You want to talk to some of their employees and they will tell you differently. You are just pouring out the same old party line Richard. Grampie
  • Score: 19

11:28am Fri 24 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

So Grampie, what services have we cut?

We moved to alternate weekly bin collections because most of the county used them and they clearly achieved better recycling rates. At the same time we added a Green Bin collection which is used in the summer but not in the winter.

What have we actually cut?
So Grampie, what services have we cut? We moved to alternate weekly bin collections because most of the county used them and they clearly achieved better recycling rates. At the same time we added a Green Bin collection which is used in the summer but not in the winter. What have we actually cut? Richard Clewer
  • Score: -13

4:50pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Cllr Sven Hocking says...

Interesting to read Cllr Fagan's comments - “It’s my first meeting and I am horrified at the disregard for the residents" and “I’ve been out canvassing very recently and that isn’t what the residents wanted at all.”

I'm also sure residents didn't want that at all, especially when the by-election campaign literature writen for her suggested the proposed increase was going to be a scaremongering 30%. I can only surmise that at the budget meeting last Monday evening she was not aware that her Labour Group proposal was also to increase the precept by ultimately the same £15 all be it over a slightly longer period. Had she perhaps been better briefed by her peers, she would not have been so horrified as would have known what was on the table beforehand.
Interesting to read Cllr Fagan's comments - “It’s my first meeting and I am horrified at the disregard for the residents" and “I’ve been out canvassing very recently and that isn’t what the residents wanted at all.” I'm also sure residents didn't want that at all, especially when the by-election campaign literature writen for her suggested the proposed increase was going to be a scaremongering 30%. I can only surmise that at the budget meeting last Monday evening she was not aware that her Labour Group proposal was also to increase the precept by ultimately the same £15 all be it over a slightly longer period. Had she perhaps been better briefed by her peers, she would not have been so horrified as would have known what was on the table beforehand. Cllr Sven Hocking
  • Score: -7

10:15pm Fri 24 Jan 14

nesspah says...

Police & Fire increasing their precept ? When will they understand “living within one’s means” ? The whole reckoning is senseless if we need to cut our cloth nationally but locally bureaucrats like nine-jobs just avoid prudence by increasing their charges.

I’m not bothered that the grubby bus station has closed but why plan an interchange in The Maltings? As shopping footfall from residents goes down I would have thought the planners’ attention would have turned to commuters and tourists which might have suggested trying to link rail and bus. At present the integrated transport system is looking a bit similar to the schemes invented by John Prescott !!

Wiltshire Council rightly reduced their bloated headcount but Cllr Clewer chooses unfortunate words to say he is very proud of what they have achieved – making loads of people redundant.

As to Salisbury Parish Council, yes they need to decide what they exist for. Sometimes seems that they believe they’re running New York.
Police & Fire increasing their precept ? When will they understand “living within one’s means” ? The whole reckoning is senseless if we need to cut our cloth nationally but locally bureaucrats like nine-jobs just avoid prudence by increasing their charges. I’m not bothered that the grubby bus station has closed but why plan an interchange in The Maltings? As shopping footfall from residents goes down I would have thought the planners’ attention would have turned to commuters and tourists which might have suggested trying to link rail and bus. At present the integrated transport system is looking a bit similar to the schemes invented by John Prescott !! Wiltshire Council rightly reduced their bloated headcount but Cllr Clewer chooses unfortunate words to say he is very proud of what they have achieved – making loads of people redundant. As to Salisbury Parish Council, yes they need to decide what they exist for. Sometimes seems that they believe they’re running New York. nesspah
  • Score: 28

12:14am Sat 25 Jan 14

Grampie says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
So Grampie, what services have we cut?

We moved to alternate weekly bin collections because most of the county used them and they clearly achieved better recycling rates. At the same time we added a Green Bin collection which is used in the summer but not in the winter.

What have we actually cut?
Talking to members of staff working for the council they tell me that they are pushed to carry out their work because of the lack of staff, add to that their pay has been frozen, while the ones at the top have had a massive increase in expenses.

Glad to see you are back on the forum. Have you been down Ashley road recently because it is full of potholes?

Talking of which, I saw somebody throwing some tar mac into holes in Cherry Orchard lane. Talk about a shoddy job, never cut into the surrounding road, not compacted down and they couldn't be bothered to sweep up some loose stones.

Another road, well used and in a disgusting stat.

Don't bleat on about how much the council is going to give this private firm, you have failed to repair the existing surfaces for years and it will cost a lot more to repair.

Shoddy work done under the control of a shoddy council,

I await the response from others about the wheely bins being collected once a fortnight, instead of once a week like it was before the so called harmonisation.

Even John Glen's buddy, Big Eric said you should be making collections once a week.

These are a couple of obvious things that have worsened in recent times, not to mention the report of an unsalted market square last week.

What idiot suggested laying slaps that were slippery when frosty and wet? Whoever swallowed that recomendation should be ashamed. It will cost the council thousands in compensation when the cold weather starts to hit.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: So Grampie, what services have we cut? We moved to alternate weekly bin collections because most of the county used them and they clearly achieved better recycling rates. At the same time we added a Green Bin collection which is used in the summer but not in the winter. What have we actually cut?[/p][/quote]Talking to members of staff working for the council they tell me that they are pushed to carry out their work because of the lack of staff, add to that their pay has been frozen, while the ones at the top have had a massive increase in expenses. Glad to see you are back on the forum. Have you been down Ashley road recently because it is full of potholes? Talking of which, I saw somebody throwing some tar mac into holes in Cherry Orchard lane. Talk about a shoddy job, never cut into the surrounding road, not compacted down and they couldn't be bothered to sweep up some loose stones. Another road, well used and in a disgusting stat. Don't bleat on about how much the council is going to give this private firm, you have failed to repair the existing surfaces for years and it will cost a lot more to repair. Shoddy work done under the control of a shoddy council, I await the response from others about the wheely bins being collected once a fortnight, instead of once a week like it was before the so called harmonisation. Even John Glen's buddy, Big Eric said you should be making collections once a week. These are a couple of obvious things that have worsened in recent times, not to mention the report of an unsalted market square last week. What idiot suggested laying slaps that were slippery when frosty and wet? Whoever swallowed that recomendation should be ashamed. It will cost the council thousands in compensation when the cold weather starts to hit. Grampie
  • Score: 15

9:52am Sat 25 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

What services have you cut?
Do you mean you as a council or, as those towing the political dogma of the Tory government?

Because for the ordinary man in the street it makes little difference which arm of the government wields the axe, be it local or national.
What services have you cut? Do you mean you as a council or, as those towing the political dogma of the Tory government? Because for the ordinary man in the street it makes little difference which arm of the government wields the axe, be it local or national. karlmarx
  • Score: 13

12:20pm Sat 25 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

Let's examine the 'no cuts' lie in more detail then using facts as opposed to 'unbiased' individuals opinions...

The Welfare Reform Scam

"The government's claim that it is protecting disabled people from cuts is, of course, nonsense. Deep cuts are being made to disability benefits and to social care, which is now used by 25% fewer people. But government is expert in disguising its actions and finding someone else to blame.

For instance, social care will be cut by about 33% by 2015, but local government is the scapegoat. Few people realise that a cut of 42% in local government funding must translate into deep and lasting cuts in social care. The fact that central government also pretends to be providing extra funding for social care makes the whole situation even more laughable.

When it comes to cuts in benefits their main strategy has been to claim that the benefits are being 'reformed' whilst making cuts by stealth. The biggest cuts are being introduced by changes to indexation - something few of us understand - but which is slowly decreasing the value of benefits year after year. This means that the UK, already the third most unequal developed country in the world, will inevitably become even more unequal.

Sometimes a new name is used to create confusion and obscure what is really going on. For example, Disability Living Allowance (DLA) is now being changed to the Personal Independence Payment (PIP). In other words, a benefit that gave disabled people a little extra money, to make up for the extra costs of living with a disability, has now been given a new name with no clear meaning, but one which sounds much more 'aspirational'. Yet the real purpose of this change is to make 0.5 million people ineligible for this modest benefit, in other words, to reduce independence.

Even more ludicrous has been the transformation of Incapacity Benefit (IB) into the Employment and Support Allowance (ESA). The Work Capability Assessment (WCA) assigns disabled people to one of three possible benefits: Job Seekers Allowance (JSA), ESA's Work Related Activity Group (ESA-WRAG) and ESA's Support Group (ESA-SG). Who would be able to guess the purpose of these benefits from their names? These are not allowances to assist with job seeking or to enable employment; they are simply the basic benefits that people need just to exist. This is further DWP newspeak - you must invert the apparent meaning in order to find the true meaning.

Other cuts wear an even subtler disguise. A report written by leading disability campaigner Kaliya Franklin, published this week by The Centre for Welfare Reform, describes how Atos (the private medical company funded by government) works to a system of 'norms' in order to meet the government's targets for cuts. Again, the same pattern, but this time Atos are the scapegoat. They are blamed for the high rate of successful appeals against their assessments and for the pain, misery and death caused by this process. But the real problem lies in the management system imposed by the DWP.

The worst kind of scapegoating and evasion is to blame disabled people themselves. Take for example the Daily Express headline: "Health tests show how 75% on sick benefits can work".


This shock headline feeds the lie that disabled people are skivers and it seems highly likely that it was based on this government press release:

The latest figures show that 55 per cent of new claimants who go through the Work Capability Assessment are found fit for some form of work. The official statistics published today also show that, for the latest period 20 per cent could be capable of doing some work with the right help and support...

Whether or not the Daily Express were helped to add 20% to 55% to get their silly 75% figure I do not know. However the reality is that the ESA is a system that was designed precisely to create these figures. It was an inevitable feature of government policy that disabled people would be divided into these three different groups, of these specific sizes. This is not the uncovering of skivers - as the headline implies - rather it is simply the division of disabled people into three pre-determined categories in order to save money.

At a deeper level we should question why we employ politicians and civil servants to deceive us and to stigmatise us. It may be that this is a constant problem in government; politicians seek legitimacy by distorting facts to suit themselves. Perhaps we all do this. But we grant politicians the power and resources to distort reality on a grand scale.

In particular we pay for an expensive professional civil service who serve politicians by creating systems, rules, policy changes and deceptive press releases. Perhaps it is time that the civil servants ask themselves some hard questions about their own complicity with this injustice. Good intentions and obedience to politicians are not enough. It is time the public sector and its agents remembered that they work for the public, not for our politicians."

Of course the most damning evidence comes from the fact that the charity sector is now increasingly taking on the role of protecting and supporting those abandoned and sacrificed by this regime in their crusade to make the weak and vulnerable to pay for the mistakes of the greedy and selfish.
Let's examine the 'no cuts' lie in more detail then using facts as opposed to 'unbiased' individuals opinions... The Welfare Reform Scam "The government's claim that it is protecting disabled people from cuts is, of course, nonsense. Deep cuts are being made to disability benefits and to social care, which is now used by 25% fewer people. But government is expert in disguising its actions and finding someone else to blame. For instance, social care will be cut by about 33% by 2015, but local government is the scapegoat. Few people realise that a cut of 42% in local government funding must translate into deep and lasting cuts in social care. The fact that central government also pretends to be providing extra funding for social care makes the whole situation even more laughable. When it comes to cuts in benefits their main strategy has been to claim that the benefits are being 'reformed' whilst making cuts by stealth. The biggest cuts are being introduced by changes to indexation - something few of us understand - but which is slowly decreasing the value of benefits year after year. This means that the UK, already the third most unequal developed country in the world, will inevitably become even more unequal. Sometimes a new name is used to create confusion and obscure what is really going on. For example, Disability Living Allowance (DLA) is now being changed to the Personal Independence Payment (PIP). In other words, a benefit that gave disabled people a little extra money, to make up for the extra costs of living with a disability, has now been given a new name with no clear meaning, but one which sounds much more 'aspirational'. Yet the real purpose of this change is to make 0.5 million people ineligible for this modest benefit, in other words, to reduce independence. Even more ludicrous has been the transformation of Incapacity Benefit (IB) into the Employment and Support Allowance (ESA). The Work Capability Assessment (WCA) assigns disabled people to one of three possible benefits: Job Seekers Allowance (JSA), ESA's Work Related Activity Group (ESA-WRAG) and ESA's Support Group (ESA-SG). Who would be able to guess the purpose of these benefits from their names? These are not allowances to assist with job seeking or to enable employment; they are simply the basic benefits that people need just to exist. This is further DWP newspeak - you must invert the apparent meaning in order to find the true meaning. Other cuts wear an even subtler disguise. A report written by leading disability campaigner Kaliya Franklin, published this week by The Centre for Welfare Reform, describes how Atos (the private medical company funded by government) works to a system of 'norms' in order to meet the government's targets for cuts. Again, the same pattern, but this time Atos are the scapegoat. They are blamed for the high rate of successful appeals against their assessments and for the pain, misery and death caused by this process. But the real problem lies in the management system imposed by the DWP. The worst kind of scapegoating and evasion is to blame disabled people themselves. Take for example the Daily Express headline: "Health tests show how 75% on sick benefits can work". This shock headline feeds the lie that disabled people are skivers and it seems highly likely that it was based on this government press release: The latest figures show that 55 per cent of new claimants who go through the Work Capability Assessment are found fit for some form of work. The official statistics published today also show that, for the latest period 20 per cent could be capable of doing some work with the right help and support... Whether or not the Daily Express were helped to add 20% to 55% to get their silly 75% figure I do not know. However the reality is that the ESA is a system that was designed precisely to create these figures. It was an inevitable feature of government policy that disabled people would be divided into these three different groups, of these specific sizes. This is not the uncovering of skivers - as the headline implies - rather it is simply the division of disabled people into three pre-determined categories in order to save money. At a deeper level we should question why we employ politicians and civil servants to deceive us and to stigmatise us. It may be that this is a constant problem in government; politicians seek legitimacy by distorting facts to suit themselves. Perhaps we all do this. But we grant politicians the power and resources to distort reality on a grand scale. In particular we pay for an expensive professional civil service who serve politicians by creating systems, rules, policy changes and deceptive press releases. Perhaps it is time that the civil servants ask themselves some hard questions about their own complicity with this injustice. Good intentions and obedience to politicians are not enough. It is time the public sector and its agents remembered that they work for the public, not for our politicians." Of course the most damning evidence comes from the fact that the charity sector is now increasingly taking on the role of protecting and supporting those abandoned and sacrificed by this regime in their crusade to make the weak and vulnerable to pay for the mistakes of the greedy and selfish. karlmarx
  • Score: 10

9:42pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

Grampie, an interesting reply but back to my question, what services have we (Wiltshire Council) cut?

I have been down Ashley Road several times recently. I made sure it was on the list to be re-surfaced earlier this year. I am expecting some short term patching to be done followed by a complete re-surface, I don't have a date for that yet.

The hole filling you describe on Cherry Orchard lane sounds like simple patching. That is designed to temporarily fill a hole until a better patch can be provided. The tarmac should not be laid flat but rather left slightly raised. That way it will compact down level rather than creating a dip which is what a compacted level fill (without mechanical equipment) will do.

Karl, you seem to have come up with the usual stream of anti Westminster rhetoric drawn from a wide variety of politically biased sources. I am talking about the Council I am responsible for, Wiltshire Council.

Nesspah. Wiltshire Council has kept Council Tax at the same level for 5 years while facing a major (closing on 1/3rd) reduction of income from Central Government. We have not cut any frontline services (unlike virtually ever other Council in the Country) and while we have had a voluntary redundancy program there have been no compulsory redundancies. It has taken a huge effort from both staff and the political administration (which I am a part of) and I am extremely proud of what we have managed to do in very difficult circumstances.
Grampie, an interesting reply but back to my question, what services have we (Wiltshire Council) cut? I have been down Ashley Road several times recently. I made sure it was on the list to be re-surfaced earlier this year. I am expecting some short term patching to be done followed by a complete re-surface, I don't have a date for that yet. The hole filling you describe on Cherry Orchard lane sounds like simple patching. That is designed to temporarily fill a hole until a better patch can be provided. The tarmac should not be laid flat but rather left slightly raised. That way it will compact down level rather than creating a dip which is what a compacted level fill (without mechanical equipment) will do. Karl, you seem to have come up with the usual stream of anti Westminster rhetoric drawn from a wide variety of politically biased sources. I am talking about the Council I am responsible for, Wiltshire Council. Nesspah. Wiltshire Council has kept Council Tax at the same level for 5 years while facing a major (closing on 1/3rd) reduction of income from Central Government. We have not cut any frontline services (unlike virtually ever other Council in the Country) and while we have had a voluntary redundancy program there have been no compulsory redundancies. It has taken a huge effort from both staff and the political administration (which I am a part of) and I am extremely proud of what we have managed to do in very difficult circumstances. Richard Clewer
  • Score: -9

8:14am Sun 26 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

You appear to have conveniently forgotten that Wiltshire council is a Tory council, following Tory government policies and, subject to Tory party cuts. Your usual deception at work.
You appear to have conveniently forgotten that Wiltshire council is a Tory council, following Tory government policies and, subject to Tory party cuts. Your usual deception at work. karlmarx
  • Score: 12

8:17am Sun 26 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

And to add insult to injury the Tory Wiltshire council then award themselves huge pay rises and allowance hikes. Didn't think you would mention that but then, anyone who supports such an atrocity in times of 'austerity' for the weak and vulnerable needs to be reminded.
And to add insult to injury the Tory Wiltshire council then award themselves huge pay rises and allowance hikes. Didn't think you would mention that but then, anyone who supports such an atrocity in times of 'austerity' for the weak and vulnerable needs to be reminded. karlmarx
  • Score: 12

10:21am Sun 26 Jan 14

vcg507 says...

How can anyone suggest that the Police are maintaining or increasing their services?? They are CLOSING the Police Station, MOVING Custody Operations across the County to Melksham and SHIFTING response Operations to Amesbury. And in return for this "enhanced "service thy want to increase the precept? It's a joke. And, while I am on the subject, where is the Public meeting we were promised to discuss the above? Mr Clewer, you were sat on the panel at the last public meeting when this was promised. Perhaps you could respond?
How can anyone suggest that the Police are maintaining or increasing their services?? They are CLOSING the Police Station, MOVING Custody Operations across the County to Melksham and SHIFTING response Operations to Amesbury. And in return for this "enhanced "service thy want to increase the precept? It's a joke. And, while I am on the subject, where is the Public meeting we were promised to discuss the above? Mr Clewer, you were sat on the panel at the last public meeting when this was promised. Perhaps you could respond? vcg507
  • Score: 25

12:55pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

Karl, the administration of Wiltshire Council has to live within the bounds set by which ever administration is in power in Westminster. I can't answer for them, you need to take that up with our MP (personally I can tell you that I think Gordon Browns policies on public spending were disastrous and have created the current need to cut public spending). I can and will answer for Wiltshire Council.

You constantly refer to cuts but cannot answer my question about which services Wiltshire Council has cut (because we have not cut any frontline services, we have reshaped some increasing for example the hours that our libraries operate through better ways of running them).

VCG507, with regard to the police and police station. The police are closing the existing police station. Having recently been shown around the station they desperately need to do this. Most of the current building is not being used, they are paying huge heating, electricity and rates charges on a building they do not need in its current form.

Neighbourhood Policing and Response are moving into the Campus at Five Rivers. Response do not work from their base but deploy around the response area and response from their location. When we looked around the station there was only one officer from the response team in the station and that officer was not on the response roster at the time. Five Rivers has lots of people in and is a much more sensible place for neighbourhood policing to be, where they can be accessed by the public rather than behind locked doors in a remote building.

The Campus will not be ready until after the station closes so for a while they will be based at Bourne Hill and Amesbury. Not perhaps ideal but a short term solution while the Campus is prepared.

Custody will be based in Salisbury as well.. In the short term it will be based in other parts of the County while a new Custody unit is built. I do worry about this but the local police are confident that they can deal with this and I have to accept that.

To summarise there will be a period of about a year where the police operate from temporary sites while proper, modern, well designed buildings are constructed. Buildings which are ideal for the demands of modern policing according to the local police leadership (not political leadership).

I do not agree with the police increasing the precept. I have expressed that to the PCC as well. If I look at how much Wiltshire Council has been able to save from back office and purchasing I do not think the Police service have done all they can here yet. The Police and Crime Panel of Wiltshire Council will consider the request for an increase in the precept soon and I am interested to see if they approve it.

There have been two public meetings held by the PCC since the rather frustrating meeting you refer to. I don't think that either were the meeting which was promised, I was not able to attend either due to other meetings. There have also been presentations to the City and Wiltshire Councils (at the Area Board). I will suggest to Mr Macpherson that he arrange another meeting but I cannot force him to do so. I will also suggest to Cllr Rogers (the current Area Board Chair) that he set up a meeting on the subject but again I cannot make that happen.
Karl, the administration of Wiltshire Council has to live within the bounds set by which ever administration is in power in Westminster. I can't answer for them, you need to take that up with our MP (personally I can tell you that I think Gordon Browns policies on public spending were disastrous and have created the current need to cut public spending). I can and will answer for Wiltshire Council. You constantly refer to cuts but cannot answer my question about which services Wiltshire Council has cut (because we have not cut any frontline services, we have reshaped some increasing for example the hours that our libraries operate through better ways of running them). VCG507, with regard to the police and police station. The police are closing the existing police station. Having recently been shown around the station they desperately need to do this. Most of the current building is not being used, they are paying huge heating, electricity and rates charges on a building they do not need in its current form. Neighbourhood Policing and Response are moving into the Campus at Five Rivers. Response do not work from their base but deploy around the response area and response from their location. When we looked around the station there was only one officer from the response team in the station and that officer was not on the response roster at the time. Five Rivers has lots of people in and is a much more sensible place for neighbourhood policing to be, where they can be accessed by the public rather than behind locked doors in a remote building. The Campus will not be ready until after the station closes so for a while they will be based at Bourne Hill and Amesbury. Not perhaps ideal but a short term solution while the Campus is prepared. Custody will be based in Salisbury as well.. In the short term it will be based in other parts of the County while a new Custody unit is built. I do worry about this but the local police are confident that they can deal with this and I have to accept that. To summarise there will be a period of about a year where the police operate from temporary sites while proper, modern, well designed buildings are constructed. Buildings which are ideal for the demands of modern policing according to the local police leadership (not political leadership). I do not agree with the police increasing the precept. I have expressed that to the PCC as well. If I look at how much Wiltshire Council has been able to save from back office and purchasing I do not think the Police service have done all they can here yet. The Police and Crime Panel of Wiltshire Council will consider the request for an increase in the precept soon and I am interested to see if they approve it. There have been two public meetings held by the PCC since the rather frustrating meeting you refer to. I don't think that either were the meeting which was promised, I was not able to attend either due to other meetings. There have also been presentations to the City and Wiltshire Councils (at the Area Board). I will suggest to Mr Macpherson that he arrange another meeting but I cannot force him to do so. I will also suggest to Cllr Rogers (the current Area Board Chair) that he set up a meeting on the subject but again I cannot make that happen. Richard Clewer
  • Score: -13

1:29pm Sun 26 Jan 14

vcg507 says...

Mr Clewer, thank you for your prompt response. I do admire the fact that you read and post here, despite some criticism you attract. It;s a shame the PCC can't do the same. He is after all supposed to be "the voice of the people" yet he wont even respond to emails on this subject.

You refer to custody moving to other parts of the County in "the short term". We both know that's at least two years!

It was actually Chief Superintendent Hedley who promised a further meeting in the Autumn of 2013. Perhaps he has retired, or wishes he could?
Mr Clewer, thank you for your prompt response. I do admire the fact that you read and post here, despite some criticism you attract. It;s a shame the PCC can't do the same. He is after all supposed to be "the voice of the people" yet he wont even respond to emails on this subject. You refer to custody moving to other parts of the County in "the short term". We both know that's at least two years! It was actually Chief Superintendent Hedley who promised a further meeting in the Autumn of 2013. Perhaps he has retired, or wishes he could? vcg507
  • Score: 24

4:45pm Sun 26 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

January 2014


Guidance for councils on weekly bin collections published.

Eric Pickles today (4 January 2014) publishes the first ever guidance on weekly bin collections, encouraging councils in England to support weekly services. The guidance also demolishes the “top 10 tall stories” that “bin barons” have used as excuses to cut the frequency of rubbish collection services.

As part of encouraging councils to deliver better services for Council Tax payers, the Local Government Secretary is supporting weekly collections by publishing examples where councils have kept weekly collections, increased recycling and made common sense efficiency savings.

The ‘bin bible’ report published today is being sent to every local authority in England, and is a direct challenge of the fortnightly bin industry. This is in strong contrast to the devolved administration in Wales which is now moving towards monthly bin collections.

Some of the myths employed by bin bureaucrats and deconstructed in the guidance include:

A move to fortnightly collections is the only way to improve recycling rates – in fact numerous councils have managed to recycle over half of all rubbish while maintaining weekly collections.
People don’t want their bins collected every week – surveys from councils have actually shown over 95% of residents agree with keeping weekly collections. Councils should listen to their residents.
Fortnightly collections will save taxpayers’ money – it is a myth that this is the only way to save money. Innovative solutions can mean councils can protect weekly collections at little or no extra cost.
Only fortnightly collections can make residents recycle – reward schemes like Windsor and Maidenhead’s are dramatically increasing recycling.
Weekly rubbish collections need to be scrapped to meet European Union regulations - government continues to support weekly rubbish collections.
This new guidance builds on steps the government has previously taken in England including:

safeguarding weekly collections for 6 million households through the Weekly Collection Support Scheme
removing Whitehall directives demanding fortnightly bin collections
supporting over 41 innovative reward schemes to back recycling
abolishing plans for new bin taxes
changing the law to scrap unfair bin fines
changing building regulations to tackle ‘bin blight’
removing powers of entry and snooping powers from bin inspectors and scrapped guidance telling people to rifle through families’ bins
Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles said:

This government is standing up for hard-working people and getting rid of barmy bin policies which made families’ lives hell.

Rubbish collections are the most visible service that people get for their £120 a month Council Tax bill. People deserve a comprehensive weekly service in return for their taxes.

We have exposed 10 false fictions fortnightly bin barons cling to as excuses for cutting services. If councils adopt this new guide as their ‘bin bible’, they will be able to save taxpayers’ money and still increase the frequency and quality of rubbish and recycling collections.

Across Britain there is a clear choice on offer. The government in England is standing up for weekly collections; by contrast, the administrations in Wales and Scotland are moving towards monthly collections.

A number of local authorities in England are already showing that innovative approaches can deliver quality services to their residents. The following are examples included in today’s government guidance that have saved weekly collections and increased recycling:

Bournemouth Borough Council – a weekly collection that has one of the best recycling rates in England. Provided increased capacity for residents to recycle and developing a reward system that will accrue points to spend locally.
Lewes District Council – has maintained a weekly collection service of residual waste while promoting innovative recycling measures including social media, local champions and competitions.
Ribble Valley Council – operates a weekly collection over the largest rural area in Lancashire who will be using the Weekly Collection Fund to divert an extra 770 tonnes of food waste away from landfill every year. The council operates a low cost, high quality service with over 90% customer satisfaction.

Not what the electorate of Wiltshire have been led to believe, interesting to say the least.
January 2014 Guidance for councils on weekly bin collections published. Eric Pickles today (4 January 2014) publishes the first ever guidance on weekly bin collections, encouraging councils in England to support weekly services. The guidance also demolishes the “top 10 tall stories” that “bin barons” have used as excuses to cut the frequency of rubbish collection services. As part of encouraging councils to deliver better services for Council Tax payers, the Local Government Secretary is supporting weekly collections by publishing examples where councils have kept weekly collections, increased recycling and made common sense efficiency savings. The ‘bin bible’ report published today is being sent to every local authority in England, and is a direct challenge of the fortnightly bin industry. This is in strong contrast to the devolved administration in Wales which is now moving towards monthly bin collections. Some of the myths employed by bin bureaucrats and deconstructed in the guidance include: A move to fortnightly collections is the only way to improve recycling rates – in fact numerous councils have managed to recycle over half of all rubbish while maintaining weekly collections. People don’t want their bins collected every week – surveys from councils have actually shown over 95% of residents agree with keeping weekly collections. Councils should listen to their residents. Fortnightly collections will save taxpayers’ money – it is a myth that this is the only way to save money. Innovative solutions can mean councils can protect weekly collections at little or no extra cost. Only fortnightly collections can make residents recycle – reward schemes like Windsor and Maidenhead’s are dramatically increasing recycling. Weekly rubbish collections need to be scrapped to meet European Union regulations - government continues to support weekly rubbish collections. This new guidance builds on steps the government has previously taken in England including: safeguarding weekly collections for 6 million households through the Weekly Collection Support Scheme removing Whitehall directives demanding fortnightly bin collections supporting over 41 innovative reward schemes to back recycling abolishing plans for new bin taxes changing the law to scrap unfair bin fines changing building regulations to tackle ‘bin blight’ removing powers of entry and snooping powers from bin inspectors and scrapped guidance telling people to rifle through families’ bins Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles said: This government is standing up for hard-working people and getting rid of barmy bin policies which made families’ lives hell. Rubbish collections are the most visible service that people get for their £120 a month Council Tax bill. People deserve a comprehensive weekly service in return for their taxes. We have exposed 10 false fictions fortnightly bin barons cling to as excuses for cutting services. If councils adopt this new guide as their ‘bin bible’, they will be able to save taxpayers’ money and still increase the frequency and quality of rubbish and recycling collections. Across Britain there is a clear choice on offer. The government in England is standing up for weekly collections; by contrast, the administrations in Wales and Scotland are moving towards monthly collections. A number of local authorities in England are already showing that innovative approaches can deliver quality services to their residents. The following are examples included in today’s government guidance that have saved weekly collections and increased recycling: Bournemouth Borough Council – a weekly collection that has one of the best recycling rates in England. Provided increased capacity for residents to recycle and developing a reward system that will accrue points to spend locally. Lewes District Council – has maintained a weekly collection service of residual waste while promoting innovative recycling measures including social media, local champions and competitions. Ribble Valley Council – operates a weekly collection over the largest rural area in Lancashire who will be using the Weekly Collection Fund to divert an extra 770 tonnes of food waste away from landfill every year. The council operates a low cost, high quality service with over 90% customer satisfaction. Not what the electorate of Wiltshire have been led to believe, interesting to say the least. karlmarx
  • Score: 14

4:53pm Sun 26 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

Apologies for Bournemouth Borough Council appearing in the report, I don't want to be accused, falsely again, that I support other towns and city's instead of Salisbury. I simply point out how things are being done elsewhere successfully and cost effectively, sorry about that.
Apologies for Bournemouth Borough Council appearing in the report, I don't want to be accused, falsely again, that I support other towns and city's instead of Salisbury. I simply point out how things are being done elsewhere successfully and cost effectively, sorry about that. karlmarx
  • Score: 13

7:38pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Grampie says...

Richard said "I have been down Ashley Road several times recently. I made sure it was on the list to be re-surfaced earlier this year. I am expecting some short term patching to be done followed by a complete re-surface, I don't have a date for that yet.

The hole filling you describe on Cherry Orchard lane sounds like simple patching. That is designed to temporarily fill a hole until a better patch can be provided. The tarmac should not be laid flat but rather left slightly raised. That way it will compact down level rather than creating a dip which is what a compacted level fill (without mechanical equipment) will do."

They hadn't even filled in the holes in Ashley Road the last time I drove along there.

With regard to "patching" the guys are on site, why not do a proper job? Patching means they have to come back again or in the case of the other parts of CherryOrchard and roads like Queen Alexandra, forget about it completely. As I have said before, shoddy. The whole ethos of Wiltshire council is "patch it" they can still drive down the road. Whatever happened to maintenance? It is cheaper than patching.
Richard said "I have been down Ashley Road several times recently. I made sure it was on the list to be re-surfaced earlier this year. I am expecting some short term patching to be done followed by a complete re-surface, I don't have a date for that yet. The hole filling you describe on Cherry Orchard lane sounds like simple patching. That is designed to temporarily fill a hole until a better patch can be provided. The tarmac should not be laid flat but rather left slightly raised. That way it will compact down level rather than creating a dip which is what a compacted level fill (without mechanical equipment) will do." They hadn't even filled in the holes in Ashley Road the last time I drove along there. With regard to "patching" the guys are on site, why not do a proper job? Patching means they have to come back again or in the case of the other parts of CherryOrchard and roads like Queen Alexandra, forget about it completely. As I have said before, shoddy. The whole ethos of Wiltshire council is "patch it" they can still drive down the road. Whatever happened to maintenance? It is cheaper than patching. Grampie
  • Score: 17

7:52pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

vcg507, I don't know how long custody will be out of Salisbury. I have been told it should take about a year subject to planning, that may or may not turn out to be true. 2 years from now sounds about right to me which suggests a year and a half of custody elsewhere. If planning is achieved quickly it could be shorter, if slowly it could be longer.

I will suggest to Angus that he considers responding here.

Karl, I am afraid I am not much interested in the pronouncements of Mr Pickles here. In Wiltshire shifting the old Salisbury District Council bin collections from weekly to alternate weekly has greatly increased recycling rates. I think higher recycling is a good thing and if alternate weekly collection is what is needed to drive it up then that is (in most cases) a price worth paying. There are problems where we have terraced housing with no front gardens but that is a very low proportion of the housing in the old District Council Area.
vcg507, I don't know how long custody will be out of Salisbury. I have been told it should take about a year subject to planning, that may or may not turn out to be true. 2 years from now sounds about right to me which suggests a year and a half of custody elsewhere. If planning is achieved quickly it could be shorter, if slowly it could be longer. I will suggest to Angus that he considers responding here. Karl, I am afraid I am not much interested in the pronouncements of Mr Pickles here. In Wiltshire shifting the old Salisbury District Council bin collections from weekly to alternate weekly has greatly increased recycling rates. I think higher recycling is a good thing and if alternate weekly collection is what is needed to drive it up then that is (in most cases) a price worth paying. There are problems where we have terraced housing with no front gardens but that is a very low proportion of the housing in the old District Council Area. Richard Clewer
  • Score: -22

7:55pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

Grampie, a proper patch would take much longer and needs to be done when it is not damp, or cold. If we do a larger patch when there is damp in the surface and it then freezes we will then end up with patches which start cracking up shortly after.

Right now we need to patch and then put more long term repairs in once the cold weather has passed. The patches are safety orientated.

Ashley Road has gone beyond patching, the potholes are mostly not deep but they are large and the surface is coming off the road. There may be some safety patching but a full re-surface is needed and that is what I have arranged.
Grampie, a proper patch would take much longer and needs to be done when it is not damp, or cold. If we do a larger patch when there is damp in the surface and it then freezes we will then end up with patches which start cracking up shortly after. Right now we need to patch and then put more long term repairs in once the cold weather has passed. The patches are safety orientated. Ashley Road has gone beyond patching, the potholes are mostly not deep but they are large and the surface is coming off the road. There may be some safety patching but a full re-surface is needed and that is what I have arranged. Richard Clewer
  • Score: -13

8:05pm Sun 26 Jan 14

vcg507 says...

Mr Clewer, its the Police themselves who say a minimum of two years...

"Insp Andrew Noble of Salisbury Police confirmed that suspects arrested in the city will be taken to Melksham during the two years it will take to build the new custody centre once police quit the current station,"

Salisbury Journal Jan 2014
Mr Clewer, its the Police themselves who say a minimum of two years... "Insp Andrew Noble of Salisbury Police confirmed that suspects arrested in the city will be taken to Melksham during the two years it will take to build the new custody centre once police quit the current station," Salisbury Journal Jan 2014 vcg507
  • Score: 26

8:54pm Sun 26 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
vcg507, I don't know how long custody will be out of Salisbury. I have been told it should take about a year subject to planning, that may or may not turn out to be true. 2 years from now sounds about right to me which suggests a year and a half of custody elsewhere. If planning is achieved quickly it could be shorter, if slowly it could be longer.

I will suggest to Angus that he considers responding here.

Karl, I am afraid I am not much interested in the pronouncements of Mr Pickles here. In Wiltshire shifting the old Salisbury District Council bin collections from weekly to alternate weekly has greatly increased recycling rates. I think higher recycling is a good thing and if alternate weekly collection is what is needed to drive it up then that is (in most cases) a price worth paying. There are problems where we have terraced housing with no front gardens but that is a very low proportion of the housing in the old District Council Area.
Yes but the figures show that you can achieve higher rates of recycling without cutting bin collections by 50%, didn't you read that part?
Here's a snippet for you then...

"Provided increased capacity for residents to recycle and developing a reward system that will accrue points to spend locally"

Conclusion and agreement being that you don't have to cut bin collections by 50% to increase recycling, that's simply an excuse for cutting bin collections by 50%. Your recycling rates may have gone up but those in areas with weekly bin collections which introduced alternatives to cutting bin collections by 50% have also increased, quite substantially.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: vcg507, I don't know how long custody will be out of Salisbury. I have been told it should take about a year subject to planning, that may or may not turn out to be true. 2 years from now sounds about right to me which suggests a year and a half of custody elsewhere. If planning is achieved quickly it could be shorter, if slowly it could be longer. I will suggest to Angus that he considers responding here. Karl, I am afraid I am not much interested in the pronouncements of Mr Pickles here. In Wiltshire shifting the old Salisbury District Council bin collections from weekly to alternate weekly has greatly increased recycling rates. I think higher recycling is a good thing and if alternate weekly collection is what is needed to drive it up then that is (in most cases) a price worth paying. There are problems where we have terraced housing with no front gardens but that is a very low proportion of the housing in the old District Council Area.[/p][/quote]Yes but the figures show that you can achieve higher rates of recycling without cutting bin collections by 50%, didn't you read that part? Here's a snippet for you then... "Provided increased capacity for residents to recycle and developing a reward system that will accrue points to spend locally" Conclusion and agreement being that you don't have to cut bin collections by 50% to increase recycling, that's simply an excuse for cutting bin collections by 50%. Your recycling rates may have gone up but those in areas with weekly bin collections which introduced alternatives to cutting bin collections by 50% have also increased, quite substantially. karlmarx
  • Score: 17

9:00pm Sun 26 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
vcg507, I don't know how long custody will be out of Salisbury. I have been told it should take about a year subject to planning, that may or may not turn out to be true. 2 years from now sounds about right to me which suggests a year and a half of custody elsewhere. If planning is achieved quickly it could be shorter, if slowly it could be longer.

I will suggest to Angus that he considers responding here.

Karl, I am afraid I am not much interested in the pronouncements of Mr Pickles here. In Wiltshire shifting the old Salisbury District Council bin collections from weekly to alternate weekly has greatly increased recycling rates. I think higher recycling is a good thing and if alternate weekly collection is what is needed to drive it up then that is (in most cases) a price worth paying. There are problems where we have terraced housing with no front gardens but that is a very low proportion of the housing in the old District Council Area.
My memory isn't as sharp as it used to be but even I don't recall the road surface in Ashley Rd being as bad as this 21 years ago. I would suggest that over the last 21 years it has gone down the pan, remembering of course that...

In the UK we used to drive on the left of the road
In Wiltshire we drive on what's left of the road
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: vcg507, I don't know how long custody will be out of Salisbury. I have been told it should take about a year subject to planning, that may or may not turn out to be true. 2 years from now sounds about right to me which suggests a year and a half of custody elsewhere. If planning is achieved quickly it could be shorter, if slowly it could be longer. I will suggest to Angus that he considers responding here. Karl, I am afraid I am not much interested in the pronouncements of Mr Pickles here. In Wiltshire shifting the old Salisbury District Council bin collections from weekly to alternate weekly has greatly increased recycling rates. I think higher recycling is a good thing and if alternate weekly collection is what is needed to drive it up then that is (in most cases) a price worth paying. There are problems where we have terraced housing with no front gardens but that is a very low proportion of the housing in the old District Council Area.[/p][/quote]My memory isn't as sharp as it used to be but even I don't recall the road surface in Ashley Rd being as bad as this 21 years ago. I would suggest that over the last 21 years it has gone down the pan, remembering of course that... In the UK we used to drive on the left of the road In Wiltshire we drive on what's left of the road karlmarx
  • Score: 18

12:16am Mon 27 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

"There were two plans put forward, one to put the precept up in one go avoiding any capping problems, the other to do exactly the same increase in three stages which would have risked being wrecked by any cap imposed."

Cap from who and where?
"There were two plans put forward, one to put the precept up in one go avoiding any capping problems, the other to do exactly the same increase in three stages which would have risked being wrecked by any cap imposed." Cap from who and where? karlmarx
  • Score: 19

12:19am Mon 27 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

"The new bus stops I think came in at about £50,000. As you pointed out that was a requirement the Council had to provide (by law) because Wilts and Dorset closed and are selling the Bus Station."

Where did you find that £50,000 from, if that is the real amount, back of the sofa? Taxpayer?
"The new bus stops I think came in at about £50,000. As you pointed out that was a requirement the Council had to provide (by law) because Wilts and Dorset closed and are selling the Bus Station." Where did you find that £50,000 from, if that is the real amount, back of the sofa? Taxpayer? karlmarx
  • Score: 19

2:41am Mon 27 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

From the Salisbury Journal Wednesday 6th November 2013

"SALISBURY City Council could face financial problems, if Wiltshire Council passes on cuts in central government funding, a meeting heard on Monday."

Now, can anyone spot the missing word from that quote?
Anybody?

Clue:
It goes before the word Wiltshire

Anybody got it yet?
Anybody at all?

Another clue then:
It also goes before the word central as well

Anyone at all?

That's right, the missing word we are looking for is of course 'Conservative'

Here's how it should read without the conveniently dropped word...

"SALISBURY City Council could face financial problems, if Conservative Wiltshire Council passes on cuts in Conservative central government funding, a meeting heard on Monday."

Sometimes it's what you don't say that speaks volumes.
From the Salisbury Journal Wednesday 6th November 2013 "SALISBURY City Council could face financial problems, if Wiltshire Council passes on cuts in central government funding, a meeting heard on Monday." Now, can anyone spot the missing word from that quote? Anybody? Clue: It goes before the word Wiltshire Anybody got it yet? Anybody at all? Another clue then: It also goes before the word central as well Anyone at all? That's right, the missing word we are looking for is of course 'Conservative' Here's how it should read without the conveniently dropped word... "SALISBURY City Council could face financial problems, if Conservative Wiltshire Council passes on cuts in Conservative central government funding, a meeting heard on Monday." Sometimes it's what you don't say that speaks volumes. karlmarx
  • Score: 15

8:08am Mon 27 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

Capping is considered likely to be introduced by Karl's favourite politician, Mr Pickles. There was an attempt to introduce it for this years budget round which fortunately did not happen.

The information about Parish Councils and Grants is actually much more complicated. For reasons I can't comprehend Parishes have been getting supported grants. The current government are ending that process (broadly something I would agree with, I think Parish Councils are better placed with complete control over their budgets, not relying on other bodies). This grant has been administered through County level authorities. The grant was cut by 35% this year with more expected next year. Wiltshire have reduced the grant to parishes by the same level, 35%. Many other County authorities have cut the grant to parishes completely to help their own finances.

Parish Councils need to be able to stand on their own feet without relying on complex formula and grants from other bodies and that is what the recently approved budget will allow them to do.
Capping is considered likely to be introduced by Karl's favourite politician, Mr Pickles. There was an attempt to introduce it for this years budget round which fortunately did not happen. The information about Parish Councils and Grants is actually much more complicated. For reasons I can't comprehend Parishes have been getting supported grants. The current government are ending that process (broadly something I would agree with, I think Parish Councils are better placed with complete control over their budgets, not relying on other bodies). This grant has been administered through County level authorities. The grant was cut by 35% this year with more expected next year. Wiltshire have reduced the grant to parishes by the same level, 35%. Many other County authorities have cut the grant to parishes completely to help their own finances. Parish Councils need to be able to stand on their own feet without relying on complex formula and grants from other bodies and that is what the recently approved budget will allow them to do. Richard Clewer
  • Score: -6

11:35am Mon 27 Jan 14

gingin says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
Capping is considered likely to be introduced by Karl's favourite politician, Mr Pickles. There was an attempt to introduce it for this years budget round which fortunately did not happen.

The information about Parish Councils and Grants is actually much more complicated. For reasons I can't comprehend Parishes have been getting supported grants. The current government are ending that process (broadly something I would agree with, I think Parish Councils are better placed with complete control over their budgets, not relying on other bodies). This grant has been administered through County level authorities. The grant was cut by 35% this year with more expected next year. Wiltshire have reduced the grant to parishes by the same level, 35%. Many other County authorities have cut the grant to parishes completely to help their own finances.

Parish Councils need to be able to stand on their own feet without relying on complex formula and grants from other bodies and that is what the recently approved budget will allow them to do.
Parishes do need to stand on their own feet a bit more however we all still pay our share to Wiltshire Council and expect a decent service!

As I see it in simple terms Wiltshire Council reduces the grant to Parishes but that in turn may force them to up their precepts to cope with the loss as many Parish Councils have little in reserve.

Parish Councils do not maintain roads or empty bins and however you cut it not many residents were happy with the introduction of bi weekly collections and are certainly not happy with the service given on road maintenance.

What we all in Wiltshire are very angry about is the huge pay rises for the top directors and the huge increase in allowances for the "leader" and the cabinet. Before you try and justify it Richard we are aware of how many hours these Councillors work but nobody forced any of you to run for election and continue with being a Councillor if you do not like the conditions.

Being a Councillor is not a "job" and therefore isn't entitled to the same benefits. There seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction with the ordinary workers at Wiltshire Council and they are not being listened to or being treated with respect. Redundancies are nothing to be proud of and boasted about on how this council has saved money.

Again in simple terms cutting of staff is cutting services as there is sometimes nobody left to deal with the public and I call that a cut in services!
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: Capping is considered likely to be introduced by Karl's favourite politician, Mr Pickles. There was an attempt to introduce it for this years budget round which fortunately did not happen. The information about Parish Councils and Grants is actually much more complicated. For reasons I can't comprehend Parishes have been getting supported grants. The current government are ending that process (broadly something I would agree with, I think Parish Councils are better placed with complete control over their budgets, not relying on other bodies). This grant has been administered through County level authorities. The grant was cut by 35% this year with more expected next year. Wiltshire have reduced the grant to parishes by the same level, 35%. Many other County authorities have cut the grant to parishes completely to help their own finances. Parish Councils need to be able to stand on their own feet without relying on complex formula and grants from other bodies and that is what the recently approved budget will allow them to do.[/p][/quote]Parishes do need to stand on their own feet a bit more however we all still pay our share to Wiltshire Council and expect a decent service! As I see it in simple terms Wiltshire Council reduces the grant to Parishes but that in turn may force them to up their precepts to cope with the loss as many Parish Councils have little in reserve. Parish Councils do not maintain roads or empty bins and however you cut it not many residents were happy with the introduction of bi weekly collections and are certainly not happy with the service given on road maintenance. What we all in Wiltshire are very angry about is the huge pay rises for the top directors and the huge increase in allowances for the "leader" and the cabinet. Before you try and justify it Richard we are aware of how many hours these Councillors work but nobody forced any of you to run for election and continue with being a Councillor if you do not like the conditions. Being a Councillor is not a "job" and therefore isn't entitled to the same benefits. There seems to be a lot of dissatisfaction with the ordinary workers at Wiltshire Council and they are not being listened to or being treated with respect. Redundancies are nothing to be proud of and boasted about on how this council has saved money. Again in simple terms cutting of staff is cutting services as there is sometimes nobody left to deal with the public and I call that a cut in services! gingin
  • Score: 7

3:04pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Grampie says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
Grampie, a proper patch would take much longer and needs to be done when it is not damp, or cold. If we do a larger patch when there is damp in the surface and it then freezes we will then end up with patches which start cracking up shortly after.

Right now we need to patch and then put more long term repairs in once the cold weather has passed. The patches are safety orientated.

Ashley Road has gone beyond patching, the potholes are mostly not deep but they are large and the surface is coming off the road. There may be some safety patching but a full re-surface is needed and that is what I have arranged.
If that is the case, why are other councils doing a proper job as shown on TV last week?

Try riding a bike over the holes I drove around last week in Ashley Road It sound like you agree that the road is bad because the Council over the last 15 years have failed to maintain it properly.

Also why wasn't the patches done properly in Queen Alexandra and other roads around the city in the summer. I know you have a poor memory, but surely you could remember how warm and dry it was last summer?

You should use this as your theme song http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=IvfsfS6NV
Uc
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: Grampie, a proper patch would take much longer and needs to be done when it is not damp, or cold. If we do a larger patch when there is damp in the surface and it then freezes we will then end up with patches which start cracking up shortly after. Right now we need to patch and then put more long term repairs in once the cold weather has passed. The patches are safety orientated. Ashley Road has gone beyond patching, the potholes are mostly not deep but they are large and the surface is coming off the road. There may be some safety patching but a full re-surface is needed and that is what I have arranged.[/p][/quote]If that is the case, why are other councils doing a proper job as shown on TV last week? Try riding a bike over the holes I drove around last week in Ashley Road It sound like you agree that the road is bad because the Council over the last 15 years have failed to maintain it properly. Also why wasn't the patches done properly in Queen Alexandra and other roads around the city in the summer. I know you have a poor memory, but surely you could remember how warm and dry it was last summer? You should use this as your theme song http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=IvfsfS6NV Uc Grampie
  • Score: 4

6:22pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Schoolmum999 says...

Nice to see Wiltshire Council spring into action and launch their crack team of road repairers. Shame there is only four teams of two for THE ENTIRE COUNTY!! http://www.wiltshire
.gov.uk/latestnews.h
tm?aid=148921
Nice to see Wiltshire Council spring into action and launch their crack team of road repairers. Shame there is only four teams of two for THE ENTIRE COUNTY!! http://www.wiltshire .gov.uk/latestnews.h tm?aid=148921 Schoolmum999
  • Score: 4

6:34pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Schoolmum999 says...

I have just discovered a fascinating website: https://www.whatdoth
eyknow.com/ where you can make and read freedom of information requests. Wiltshire Councils are great!
I have just discovered a fascinating website: https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/ where you can make and read freedom of information requests. Wiltshire Councils are great! Schoolmum999
  • Score: 2

8:36pm Mon 27 Jan 14

IanMcL says...

Salisbury Council up £15 at Band D.

Cllr Clewer says: 'Little difference between the Labour and Tory position'

My maths says:
Tories 3 year plan means £15 + £15 + £15 = £45 total taken from public.
Labour 3 yr plan means £5 + £10 + £15. = £30 total taken from public.
In other words. vote Labour and pay £30 extra over 3 years or vote Tory and pay FIFTY PERCENT MORE!

Not a trifle in my book.
Salisbury Council up £15 at Band D. Cllr Clewer says: 'Little difference between the Labour and Tory position' My maths says: Tories 3 year plan means £15 + £15 + £15 = £45 total taken from public. Labour 3 yr plan means £5 + £10 + £15. = £30 total taken from public. In other words. vote Labour and pay £30 extra over 3 years or vote Tory and pay FIFTY PERCENT MORE! Not a trifle in my book. IanMcL
  • Score: 5

9:28pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
We are working on a transport interchange in the Maltings. A sort of drop off point plus is a viable option in my view.

We also have plans which are being considered for placing short stay coach parking in Brown Street with longer stay parking at Britford (which was always the intention of the Britford site).

There are a number of issues about the Bus Station plan. Firstly the City Council needs to put a bid in and get it accepted which may be tricky. Secondly we would need to get an agreement for the Bus Companies to use the bus station in the future. It will be a difficult path and I wish Matthew Dean good luck in it. I will help him where I can. In honestly I think it is unlikely to succeed but that does not mean we should not try.

I very much like the idea of using office/retail space there. I wonder if something around the indoor market would be viable on the same site on a small scale.
What? You cannot be serious! Brown Street is one of the most polluted streets in the City centre (measured by the councils own air pollution monitoring station) So your Plan is to put more polluting diesel engines idling at a short term parking area. No doubt you will ask them to turn off engines. I say go and stand in St John St. and see how many coach drivers actually turn off their engines!
Britford! Oh For Goodness sake, how many coach drivers are going to drive that far to pay to park? Unless it's free. As this is Wilts Council I doubt it will be.

Mr Clewer you have have confirmed my belief that the Council has no proper executable usable plan in place to deal with the closure of the Coach station, just like the bus station EXCEPT it is the Council selling off the coach station!
Just like Stonehenge no one at EH or Wilts Council can grasp the concept of what our lifeblood i.e. Tourists need or want! . The current c*ck up at Stonehenge will now be followed by a Coach parking c*ck up in the City Centre.
Net result? A huge reduction in Tourists.
Bonus, Salisbury reverts to being a quiet backwater decrepit market town with no tourists getting in the way of the unemployed locals!
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: We are working on a transport interchange in the Maltings. A sort of drop off point plus is a viable option in my view. We also have plans which are being considered for placing short stay coach parking in Brown Street with longer stay parking at Britford (which was always the intention of the Britford site). There are a number of issues about the Bus Station plan. Firstly the City Council needs to put a bid in and get it accepted which may be tricky. Secondly we would need to get an agreement for the Bus Companies to use the bus station in the future. It will be a difficult path and I wish Matthew Dean good luck in it. I will help him where I can. In honestly I think it is unlikely to succeed but that does not mean we should not try. I very much like the idea of using office/retail space there. I wonder if something around the indoor market would be viable on the same site on a small scale.[/p][/quote]What? You cannot be serious! Brown Street is one of the most polluted streets in the City centre (measured by the councils own air pollution monitoring station) So your Plan is to put more polluting diesel engines idling at a short term parking area. No doubt you will ask them to turn off engines. I say go and stand in St John St. and see how many coach drivers actually turn off their engines! Britford! Oh For Goodness sake, how many coach drivers are going to drive that far to pay to park? Unless it's free. As this is Wilts Council I doubt it will be. Mr Clewer you have have confirmed my belief that the Council has no proper executable usable plan in place to deal with the closure of the Coach station, just like the bus station EXCEPT it is the Council selling off the coach station! Just like Stonehenge no one at EH or Wilts Council can grasp the concept of what our lifeblood i.e. Tourists need or want! . The current c*ck up at Stonehenge will now be followed by a Coach parking c*ck up in the City Centre. Net result? A huge reduction in Tourists. Bonus, Salisbury reverts to being a quiet backwater decrepit market town with no tourists getting in the way of the unemployed locals! Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 7

11:45pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Grampie says...

What sort of person would come up with getting rid of a well used, well sited coach station and then propose parking the coaches in a busy street?

Madness
What sort of person would come up with getting rid of a well used, well sited coach station and then propose parking the coaches in a busy street? Madness Grampie
  • Score: 7

12:16am Tue 28 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

IanMcL wrote:
Salisbury Council up £15 at Band D.

Cllr Clewer says: 'Little difference between the Labour and Tory position'

My maths says:
Tories 3 year plan means £15 + £15 + £15 = £45 total taken from public.
Labour 3 yr plan means £5 + £10 + £15. = £30 total taken from public.
In other words. vote Labour and pay £30 extra over 3 years or vote Tory and pay FIFTY PERCENT MORE!

Not a trifle in my book.
Yes, mathematics doesn't appear to be their strong point, the total spend on highways maintenance since they were voted in was another sum they had problems with.
Never mind, I'm sure there are quite a few mathematics courses available at the new UTC and sixth form college that may prove helpful.
[quote][p][bold]IanMcL[/bold] wrote: Salisbury Council up £15 at Band D. Cllr Clewer says: 'Little difference between the Labour and Tory position' My maths says: Tories 3 year plan means £15 + £15 + £15 = £45 total taken from public. Labour 3 yr plan means £5 + £10 + £15. = £30 total taken from public. In other words. vote Labour and pay £30 extra over 3 years or vote Tory and pay FIFTY PERCENT MORE! Not a trifle in my book.[/p][/quote]Yes, mathematics doesn't appear to be their strong point, the total spend on highways maintenance since they were voted in was another sum they had problems with. Never mind, I'm sure there are quite a few mathematics courses available at the new UTC and sixth form college that may prove helpful. karlmarx
  • Score: 4

12:25am Tue 28 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

Grampie wrote:
What sort of person would come up with getting rid of a well used, well sited coach station and then propose parking the coaches in a busy street?

Madness
You might also have noticed the four deep depressions in the road surface at each bus stop where buses lay over for a while Gramps. Physics tends to ignore dodgy decisions and wishful thinking and just gets on with its job, in this case following the laws of gravity and mass on a malleable surface.
[quote][p][bold]Grampie[/bold] wrote: What sort of person would come up with getting rid of a well used, well sited coach station and then propose parking the coaches in a busy street? Madness[/p][/quote]You might also have noticed the four deep depressions in the road surface at each bus stop where buses lay over for a while Gramps. Physics tends to ignore dodgy decisions and wishful thinking and just gets on with its job, in this case following the laws of gravity and mass on a malleable surface. karlmarx
  • Score: 5

6:36am Tue 28 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

Richard Clewer wrote:
Capping is considered likely to be introduced by Karl's favourite politician, Mr Pickles. There was an attempt to introduce it for this years budget round which fortunately did not happen.

The information about Parish Councils and Grants is actually much more complicated. For reasons I can't comprehend Parishes have been getting supported grants. The current government are ending that process (broadly something I would agree with, I think Parish Councils are better placed with complete control over their budgets, not relying on other bodies). This grant has been administered through County level authorities. The grant was cut by 35% this year with more expected next year. Wiltshire have reduced the grant to parishes by the same level, 35%. Many other County authorities have cut the grant to parishes completely to help their own finances.

Parish Councils need to be able to stand on their own feet without relying on complex formula and grants from other bodies and that is what the recently approved budget will allow them to do.
So who is doing all of the cutting and capping?

I know Eric Pickles is a Conservative party MP
I know that that our County authority is Conservative run

The problem with your response is that it omits these important facts. In the run up to an election these little snippets of information should really be made known. After all we don't want someone 21 years down the line getting it all mixed up and thinking it was labour or the green party's' fault that all these caps and cuts were imposed.
[quote][p][bold]Richard Clewer[/bold] wrote: Capping is considered likely to be introduced by Karl's favourite politician, Mr Pickles. There was an attempt to introduce it for this years budget round which fortunately did not happen. The information about Parish Councils and Grants is actually much more complicated. For reasons I can't comprehend Parishes have been getting supported grants. The current government are ending that process (broadly something I would agree with, I think Parish Councils are better placed with complete control over their budgets, not relying on other bodies). This grant has been administered through County level authorities. The grant was cut by 35% this year with more expected next year. Wiltshire have reduced the grant to parishes by the same level, 35%. Many other County authorities have cut the grant to parishes completely to help their own finances. Parish Councils need to be able to stand on their own feet without relying on complex formula and grants from other bodies and that is what the recently approved budget will allow them to do.[/p][/quote]So who is doing all of the cutting and capping? I know Eric Pickles is a Conservative party MP I know that that our County authority is Conservative run The problem with your response is that it omits these important facts. In the run up to an election these little snippets of information should really be made known. After all we don't want someone 21 years down the line getting it all mixed up and thinking it was labour or the green party's' fault that all these caps and cuts were imposed. karlmarx
  • Score: 4

10:09am Tue 28 Jan 14

Sustainer says...

Ian McL's sums are correct but don't explain the reason for the difference. I listened to the debate at the last Full Council Meeting. After the Leader of the Council had presented his budget proposal each Group was asked to present their own budget. The Conservatives did and Labour and Lib Dems didn't.
The Lib Dems wanted a 0% increase but apart form selling the Guildhall had nothing else to add. Labour wanted a 5% increase for the next 3 years but when that was fed into the financial model there were still large discrepancies. Their solution to the deficit is now a matter of record and is listed below:

Dismiss Sports Coaches
Pull out of Britain in Bloom contest and end floral displays in city
Cancel Summer and St George's day events
Cancel carnival
Scrap big business event
Scale back Xmas lights
End hospitality allowances
Don't buy new office IT equipment -PC upgrades etc
End CCM funding
Cut community development grants
Dramatically reduce tree maintenance budget
Scrap or phase Victoria Park refurbishment
Don't repair Guildhall roof
Undisclosed sale of council assets including buildings
Defer purchase of new telephone system
Don't buy new Guildhall chairs

The Independent and Green Party Cllrs were convinced by the arguments put forward by the Conservatives and the Leader of the Council and voted with them to pass a properly costed and balanced budget. Tellingly, when giving his reasons for supporting the budget, Cllr Pope (Green Party) explained that no realistic alternative had been proposed and that he could not support proposals that were plucked out of the air on the night as being a sensible basis for setting the finances of the Council. Especially asthey would have meant whole sale cuts to services and support to residents.

Finally, £30 over 3 years = 0.19p/ week
£45 over 3 years = 0.28p/week
Ian McL's sums are correct but don't explain the reason for the difference. I listened to the debate at the last Full Council Meeting. After the Leader of the Council had presented his budget proposal each Group was asked to present their own budget. The Conservatives did and Labour and Lib Dems didn't. The Lib Dems wanted a 0% increase but apart form selling the Guildhall had nothing else to add. Labour wanted a 5% increase for the next 3 years but when that was fed into the financial model there were still large discrepancies. Their solution to the deficit is now a matter of record and is listed below: Dismiss Sports Coaches Pull out of Britain in Bloom contest and end floral displays in city Cancel Summer and St George's day events Cancel carnival Scrap big business event Scale back Xmas lights End hospitality allowances Don't buy new office IT equipment -PC upgrades etc End CCM funding Cut community development grants Dramatically reduce tree maintenance budget Scrap or phase Victoria Park refurbishment Don't repair Guildhall roof Undisclosed sale of council assets including buildings Defer purchase of new telephone system Don't buy new Guildhall chairs The Independent and Green Party Cllrs were convinced by the arguments put forward by the Conservatives and the Leader of the Council and voted with them to pass a properly costed and balanced budget. Tellingly, when giving his reasons for supporting the budget, Cllr Pope (Green Party) explained that no realistic alternative had been proposed and that he could not support proposals that were plucked out of the air on the night as being a sensible basis for setting the finances of the Council. Especially asthey would have meant whole sale cuts to services and support to residents. Finally, £30 over 3 years = 0.19p/ week £45 over 3 years = 0.28p/week Sustainer
  • Score: 0

10:55am Tue 28 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

The proposals for Brown Street to be used for parking came from a working group looking at parking in the City. They were suggested following a detailed presentation on the current situation, the requirements of the coach companies who bring tourists into the city and the views of our biggest tourist attraction, the cathedral. Interestingly the coach companies do not like the current site as much as most of us had assumed they would.

The entire working group including business representative and Councillors from several different political parties felt it was the best idea.

There is a chance to attract coaches into the city following the changes at Stonehenge and the representative from the coach operators felt Brown Street working with the Britford Park and ride would really help.

Ian, your analysis is actually completely flawed about the impact of the different proposals. The approved budget (technically a Conservative/Green/I
ndependent one) has raised the precept by £15. Labours would have raised it by £5 in the first year, then after capping comes in would have had to either resort to a referendum or to continued cuts. The hypocrisy of the evening was in certain Councillors saying it was disgraceful to raise the precept by £15 in total while suggesting the same thing in their own 3 year plan. In an ideal world the precept would not need to rise, sadly inflation and the legacy of Good Old Gordon make that impossible.
The proposals for Brown Street to be used for parking came from a working group looking at parking in the City. They were suggested following a detailed presentation on the current situation, the requirements of the coach companies who bring tourists into the city and the views of our biggest tourist attraction, the cathedral. Interestingly the coach companies do not like the current site as much as most of us had assumed they would. The entire working group including business representative and Councillors from several different political parties felt it was the best idea. There is a chance to attract coaches into the city following the changes at Stonehenge and the representative from the coach operators felt Brown Street working with the Britford Park and ride would really help. Ian, your analysis is actually completely flawed about the impact of the different proposals. The approved budget (technically a Conservative/Green/I ndependent one) has raised the precept by £15. Labours would have raised it by £5 in the first year, then after capping comes in would have had to either resort to a referendum or to continued cuts. The hypocrisy of the evening was in certain Councillors saying it was disgraceful to raise the precept by £15 in total while suggesting the same thing in their own 3 year plan. In an ideal world the precept would not need to rise, sadly inflation and the legacy of Good Old Gordon make that impossible. Richard Clewer
  • Score: -4

12:24pm Tue 28 Jan 14

WorldGoneMadd says...

"At the same meeting councillors set their budget for the coming financial year, which will equate to an extra £15 on the average Band D property, rising from £90 to £105."

This is rubbish I pay more than that on current band C. Band D is currently £1532.58 a year which is 127.72 a month. So who knows where they got their figures from.
"At the same meeting councillors set their budget for the coming financial year, which will equate to an extra £15 on the average Band D property, rising from £90 to £105." This is rubbish I pay more than that on current band C. Band D is currently £1532.58 a year which is 127.72 a month. So who knows where they got their figures from. WorldGoneMadd
  • Score: 2

4:41pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Grampie says...

Richard said "The proposals for Brown Street to be used for parking came from a working group looking at parking in the City. They were suggested following a detailed presentation on the current situation, the requirements of the coach companies who bring tourists into the city and the views of our biggest tourist attraction, the cathedral. Interestingly the coach companies do not like the current site as much as most of us had assumed they would."

The coach companies do not live in the city-We do.

The coach companies do not have coaches parked outside their homes in Salisbury-We do.

So ignore the people who live here and take notice of people who only come here to make a profit.

As for the Cathedral, the closer the coaches are parked to the Cathedral, the less likely visitors will use other attractions in the city. We have to live here and I cannot recall anybody saying what we need is a new coach station.

I don't know if you have noticed, but many coach passengers are usually older than most. What do older people look for when they get off the coach? It isn't a coffee shop, nor a place to pray. On board facilities are no substitution for the real thing, but I doubt if a younger person would have had to use them. Where do they go if they are tipped out in Brown Street?

No loos and you lose their custom.
Richard said "The proposals for Brown Street to be used for parking came from a working group looking at parking in the City. They were suggested following a detailed presentation on the current situation, the requirements of the coach companies who bring tourists into the city and the views of our biggest tourist attraction, the cathedral. Interestingly the coach companies do not like the current site as much as most of us had assumed they would." The coach companies do not live in the city-We do. The coach companies do not have coaches parked outside their homes in Salisbury-We do. So ignore the people who live here and take notice of people who only come here to make a profit. As for the Cathedral, the closer the coaches are parked to the Cathedral, the less likely visitors will use other attractions in the city. We have to live here and I cannot recall anybody saying what we need is a new coach station. I don't know if you have noticed, but many coach passengers are usually older than most. What do older people look for when they get off the coach? It isn't a coffee shop, nor a place to pray. On board facilities are no substitution for the real thing, but I doubt if a younger person would have had to use them. Where do they go if they are tipped out in Brown Street? No loos and you lose their custom. Grampie
  • Score: 6

4:54pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

Grampie wrote:
Richard said "The proposals for Brown Street to be used for parking came from a working group looking at parking in the City. They were suggested following a detailed presentation on the current situation, the requirements of the coach companies who bring tourists into the city and the views of our biggest tourist attraction, the cathedral. Interestingly the coach companies do not like the current site as much as most of us had assumed they would."

The coach companies do not live in the city-We do.

The coach companies do not have coaches parked outside their homes in Salisbury-We do.

So ignore the people who live here and take notice of people who only come here to make a profit.

As for the Cathedral, the closer the coaches are parked to the Cathedral, the less likely visitors will use other attractions in the city. We have to live here and I cannot recall anybody saying what we need is a new coach station.

I don't know if you have noticed, but many coach passengers are usually older than most. What do older people look for when they get off the coach? It isn't a coffee shop, nor a place to pray. On board facilities are no substitution for the real thing, but I doubt if a younger person would have had to use them. Where do they go if they are tipped out in Brown Street?

No loos and you lose their custom.
Well said.
I notice that Mr Clewer ignores the pollution issue, yet it is his council that measures the air pollution and knows full well that Brown St (along with Silver St) have the worst air quality in the county and in the summer, it is as bad as Central London.

So great idea put all the pollution in Brown St. I do hope that the drop off points in Exeter St and St John St will be closed.

Using Crane St car park is the best suggestion and it has Toilets!! Maybe Wiltshire Council could build a footbridge directly into the Close then the tourists won't have to set foot in the City centre!
[quote][p][bold]Grampie[/bold] wrote: Richard said "The proposals for Brown Street to be used for parking came from a working group looking at parking in the City. They were suggested following a detailed presentation on the current situation, the requirements of the coach companies who bring tourists into the city and the views of our biggest tourist attraction, the cathedral. Interestingly the coach companies do not like the current site as much as most of us had assumed they would." The coach companies do not live in the city-We do. The coach companies do not have coaches parked outside their homes in Salisbury-We do. So ignore the people who live here and take notice of people who only come here to make a profit. As for the Cathedral, the closer the coaches are parked to the Cathedral, the less likely visitors will use other attractions in the city. We have to live here and I cannot recall anybody saying what we need is a new coach station. I don't know if you have noticed, but many coach passengers are usually older than most. What do older people look for when they get off the coach? It isn't a coffee shop, nor a place to pray. On board facilities are no substitution for the real thing, but I doubt if a younger person would have had to use them. Where do they go if they are tipped out in Brown Street? No loos and you lose their custom.[/p][/quote]Well said. I notice that Mr Clewer ignores the pollution issue, yet it is his council that measures the air pollution and knows full well that Brown St (along with Silver St) have the worst air quality in the county and in the summer, it is as bad as Central London. So great idea put all the pollution in Brown St. I do hope that the drop off points in Exeter St and St John St will be closed. Using Crane St car park is the best suggestion and it has Toilets!! Maybe Wiltshire Council could build a footbridge directly into the Close then the tourists won't have to set foot in the City centre! Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 3

4:57pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

Has any one consulted the residents and business owners in Brown St about routing and\or parking 50+ coaches every day (in high season) along their narrow Street?
Or is the plan to use Brown St car park - which I understood was to be e-developed soon?
Has any one consulted the residents and business owners in Brown St about routing and\or parking 50+ coaches every day (in high season) along their narrow Street? Or is the plan to use Brown St car park - which I understood was to be e-developed soon? Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 7

5:51pm Tue 28 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

"And Cllr Tom Corbin said: “In this meeting the Conservatives supported the bus station bid process at a very conservative estimate of £10,000, which we feel is somewhere very wide of the mark given we have absolutely no professional knowledge or experience to run such an asset. I think we may have suggested £30,000 as a more realistic figure.”

See the Andover bus station project for details on how to do things properly...

"Transport capital funding of £2.9m is set to be invested in extending and refurbishing the bus station needed to cope with the town’s expanding population."

"The finance will come from contributions from developers responsible for major commercial and housing construction schemes in the area, as part of their planning agreements to improve facilities for bus passengers."

And in Salisbury we're having a whip round to raise ten grand. Cue the theme tune from 'only fools and horses'....

OPENING THEME

Stick a pony in me pocket
I'll fetch the suitcase from the van
Cos if you want the best ones
But you don't ask questions
Then brother, I'm your man

Cause where it all comes from is a mystery,
It's like the changing of the seasons
And the tides of the sea
But here's the one that's driving me berserk:
Why do only fools and horses work?

CLOSING THEME

We've got some
Half price cracked ice
And miles and miles of carpet tiles
TVs
Deep freeze
And David Bowie LPs.
Ball games
Gold chains,
What's-names
Pictures frames
And leather goods
And Trevor Francis track suits.
From a mush in Shepherds Bush

No income tax, no VAT
No money back, no guarantee
Black or white, rich or poor
We'll cut prices at a stroke

God bless Hooky Street
Viva Hooky Street
Long live Hooky Street
C'est magnifique, Hooky Street
Magnifique, Hooky Street
"And Cllr Tom Corbin said: “In this meeting the Conservatives supported the bus station bid process at a very conservative estimate of £10,000, which we feel is somewhere very wide of the mark given we have absolutely no professional knowledge or experience to run such an asset. I think we may have suggested £30,000 as a more realistic figure.” See the Andover bus station project for details on how to do things properly... "Transport capital funding of £2.9m is set to be invested in extending and refurbishing the bus station needed to cope with the town’s expanding population." "The finance will come from contributions from developers responsible for major commercial and housing construction schemes in the area, as part of their planning agreements to improve facilities for bus passengers." And in Salisbury we're having a whip round to raise ten grand. Cue the theme tune from 'only fools and horses'.... OPENING THEME Stick a pony in me pocket I'll fetch the suitcase from the van Cos if you want the best ones But you don't ask questions Then brother, I'm your man Cause where it all comes from is a mystery, It's like the changing of the seasons And the tides of the sea But here's the one that's driving me berserk: Why do only fools and horses work? CLOSING THEME We've got some Half price cracked ice And miles and miles of carpet tiles TVs Deep freeze And David Bowie LPs. Ball games Gold chains, What's-names Pictures frames And leather goods And Trevor Francis track suits. From a mush in Shepherds Bush No income tax, no VAT No money back, no guarantee Black or white, rich or poor We'll cut prices at a stroke God bless Hooky Street Viva Hooky Street Long live Hooky Street C'est magnifique, Hooky Street Magnifique, Hooky Street karlmarx
  • Score: -1

5:55pm Tue 28 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

WorldGoneMadd wrote:
"At the same meeting councillors set their budget for the coming financial year, which will equate to an extra £15 on the average Band D property, rising from £90 to £105."

This is rubbish I pay more than that on current band C. Band D is currently £1532.58 a year which is 127.72 a month. So who knows where they got their figures from.
As pointed out earlier, mathematics isn't their best subject, spin and bullish*t comes top with A+++
[quote][p][bold]WorldGoneMadd[/bold] wrote: "At the same meeting councillors set their budget for the coming financial year, which will equate to an extra £15 on the average Band D property, rising from £90 to £105." This is rubbish I pay more than that on current band C. Band D is currently £1532.58 a year which is 127.72 a month. So who knows where they got their figures from.[/p][/quote]As pointed out earlier, mathematics isn't their best subject, spin and bullish*t comes top with A+++ karlmarx
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Tue 28 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

Quote: what services have we cut? Cllr Clewer.


CAMPAIGNERS have been left bitterly disappointed as Wiltshire Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG) decide the will closure Salisbury’s only respite home for severely disabled children.

The decision was taken at a meeting on Tuesday attended by members of the Save Hillcote group, which has been calling on the CCG to consider alternatives to closing the home.

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Quote: what services have we cut? Cllr Clewer. CAMPAIGNERS have been left bitterly disappointed as Wiltshire Clinical Commissioning Group (CCG) decide the will closure Salisbury’s only respite home for severely disabled children. The decision was taken at a meeting on Tuesday attended by members of the Save Hillcote group, which has been calling on the CCG to consider alternatives to closing the home. ???????????????????? ????????? karlmarx
  • Score: 1

7:18pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Richard Clewer says...

Karl, the Clinical Commissioning Group is not Wiltshire Council or Political in make up, it is the replacement body for part of the old PCT. There are no financial cuts being made, there is a different way of respite being provided. The political involvement has been to ensure the centre is kept open for another year and a half and I have been given a guarantee that alternate provision will be in place before it shuts.

Part of the proposals for the Brown Street Coach Station plan include toilets. As far as pollution goes, modern coaches have very low emissions, far lower than the cars they will replace in the car park. By encouraging greater use of Culver Street instead we will reduce city centre pollution.

The comment about Council Tax is because it consists of several elements. There is the Council Tax from the County authority (Wiltshire Council) which has not risen in 5 years with another zero increase in the budget this year (we will see who supports that). There used to be a district level but that does not apply in Wiltshire. There is then the Police element which is scheduled to rise by 2% (just over £3 per year) although I suspect that Councillors on the police and crime panel may veto that proposal. The Fire Service may also increase its level but we don't yet know, that is down to the fire authority. Finally there is the Parish element which in Salisbury is set by the City Council and will rise from £90 to £115 a year.

Karl I would have thought with your level of interest in all this you would have know that, who is spinning in your last comments? As for the language that is really not needed here.
Karl, the Clinical Commissioning Group is not Wiltshire Council or Political in make up, it is the replacement body for part of the old PCT. There are no financial cuts being made, there is a different way of respite being provided. The political involvement has been to ensure the centre is kept open for another year and a half and I have been given a guarantee that alternate provision will be in place before it shuts. Part of the proposals for the Brown Street Coach Station plan include toilets. As far as pollution goes, modern coaches have very low emissions, far lower than the cars they will replace in the car park. By encouraging greater use of Culver Street instead we will reduce city centre pollution. The comment about Council Tax is because it consists of several elements. There is the Council Tax from the County authority (Wiltshire Council) which has not risen in 5 years with another zero increase in the budget this year (we will see who supports that). There used to be a district level but that does not apply in Wiltshire. There is then the Police element which is scheduled to rise by 2% (just over £3 per year) although I suspect that Councillors on the police and crime panel may veto that proposal. The Fire Service may also increase its level but we don't yet know, that is down to the fire authority. Finally there is the Parish element which in Salisbury is set by the City Council and will rise from £90 to £115 a year. Karl I would have thought with your level of interest in all this you would have know that, who is spinning in your last comments? As for the language that is really not needed here. Richard Clewer
  • Score: 1

8:36pm Tue 28 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

If we have to go through the accounts of Wiltshire council over the last 4 years to reveal the spin on the £20 million shortfall in road maintenance plus, point out that the Labour party have had no influence on the running of Wiltshire council for 21 years then the least you can do is the same.

"The CCG, together with Wiltshire Council, have been consulting on closing the home and following concerns expressed by parents and carers of children affected they agreed to delay the closure until March, 2015."

In the same manner that the police station closure was a police decision, the bus station, the bus company, the coach station? Who knows, maybe National Express?

On the plus side though, the money spent on the refurbishment and upgrading of the crematorium and the grounds was really money well spent. It looks really great, a place that Salisbury can be proud of now, well done!
Money spent where it is really needed is always a winner, the grounds and gardens there look spectacular now.
If we have to go through the accounts of Wiltshire council over the last 4 years to reveal the spin on the £20 million shortfall in road maintenance plus, point out that the Labour party have had no influence on the running of Wiltshire council for 21 years then the least you can do is the same. "The CCG, together with Wiltshire Council, have been consulting on closing the home and following concerns expressed by parents and carers of children affected they agreed to delay the closure until March, 2015." In the same manner that the police station closure was a police decision, the bus station, the bus company, the coach station? Who knows, maybe National Express? On the plus side though, the money spent on the refurbishment and upgrading of the crematorium and the grounds was really money well spent. It looks really great, a place that Salisbury can be proud of now, well done! Money spent where it is really needed is always a winner, the grounds and gardens there look spectacular now. karlmarx
  • Score: 0

8:43pm Tue 28 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

I do think the road surface in Brown street has really had enough. The last thing it needs is an endless stream of coaches and buses leaving their imprint on its surface as they lay over. Still, I like the idea of having the coach park in a place where tourists walk to the cathedral through the city commerce area, shops and businesses would welcome the extra footfalll this would create. Lamentably Brown street does not provide this opportunity.
I do think the road surface in Brown street has really had enough. The last thing it needs is an endless stream of coaches and buses leaving their imprint on its surface as they lay over. Still, I like the idea of having the coach park in a place where tourists walk to the cathedral through the city commerce area, shops and businesses would welcome the extra footfalll this would create. Lamentably Brown street does not provide this opportunity. karlmarx
  • Score: 2

11:03am Wed 29 Jan 14

Sustainer says...

WorldGoneMadd wrote:
"At the same meeting councillors set their budget for the coming financial year, which will equate to an extra £15 on the average Band D property, rising from £90 to £105."

This is rubbish I pay more than that on current band C. Band D is currently £1532.58 a year which is 127.72 a month. So who knows where they got their figures from.

Fortunately the Councillors do know where the figures come from and I will try and explain on their behalf. The Council Tax is made up of several components who each get a share. They are:
Wiltshire Council
Police
Fire
Salisbury City (this part is known as the Precept) and is that part of the overall figure which the City gets.
The City Councillors decide how much the precept should be .
Last year it was £90 and this year it is going up to £105/year for a band D property. As you are on a lower Band your increase will be slightly less.
It has been reported that there will be no further increase to the precept for the following two years.
WorldGoneMadd wrote: "At the same meeting councillors set their budget for the coming financial year, which will equate to an extra £15 on the average Band D property, rising from £90 to £105." This is rubbish I pay more than that on current band C. Band D is currently £1532.58 a year which is 127.72 a month. So who knows where they got their figures from. Fortunately the Councillors do know where the figures come from and I will try and explain on their behalf. The Council Tax is made up of several components who each get a share. They are: Wiltshire Council Police Fire Salisbury City (this part is known as the Precept) and is that part of the overall figure which the City gets. The City Councillors decide how much the precept should be . Last year it was £90 and this year it is going up to £105/year for a band D property. As you are on a lower Band your increase will be slightly less. It has been reported that there will be no further increase to the precept for the following two years. Sustainer
  • Score: 0

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