Market traders angry at van ban

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ANGRY market traders say a ban on vehicles in Salisbury’s newly refurbished market square is “crippling trade” during wet weather.

Traders’ vans and trailers are not permitted in the newly laid out market but stallholders say the ban is making it hard for them to trade, particularly during torrential downpours.

“I used to keep lots of stock in my van when the weather was wet, and just put out the basics,” said Ian Tomes who runs the pet stall at the market.

“Now everything has to go out and everything is getting wet.

“The van used to give the stall some protection against the wind and the rain, and you could sit in it to have a cup of tea and a break from the weather.

“And I used to tie the stall to the vehicle to secure it.”

Market traders say that after months of disruption during the year-long refurbishment project, the vehicle ban is another blow.

“Traders are put off from coming because it’s just so hard going,” added Mr Tomes, who is also a Salisbury city and Wiltshire councillor.

“Markets are struggling for lots of reasons; it is hard to compete with other retailers and if they want to continue having a market in Salisbury then we need a bit of a break.”

Apart from refrigerated trailers selling fresh food, no traders’ vehicles are allowed in the square as part of a scheme to improve the appearance of the market.

“It might look nicer but you have to balance prettiness with practicality,” said Mr Tomes.

“It might be all right in the summer but the least they can do is consider allowing us to have the vehicles back in extreme weather like we have seen this week.”

Markets project manager at Salisbury City Council, Max Philip, said: “We have had no formal representation from traders about this issue and it has not come up at the traders’ panel.

“This was a decision taken by the city council to improve the look of the market and give us more space.

“However, it was agreed it would be reviewed after six months starting from last October.

“That would be the first opportunity to look at it again and the decision would need to be taken by the council.”

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9:25am Wed 12 Feb 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

Double standards from the Salisbury Parish Council once again.
No vans allowed BUT a filthy dirty polluting refuse truck is allowed to be parked in the centre of the market next to two fresh foods stalls.
I certainly wouldn't buy anything from the two stalls as the owners don't appear to mind having a germ ridden lorry parked by their food all day, goodness only knows what will happen in summer when every flying insect for miles will be attracted to their stalls and refuse truck.
Makes one wonder what Wiltshire Council's EHO's are doing, presumably busy up North of the County!
Double standards from the Salisbury Parish Council once again. No vans allowed BUT a filthy dirty polluting refuse truck is allowed to be parked in the centre of the market next to two fresh foods stalls. I certainly wouldn't buy anything from the two stalls as the owners don't appear to mind having a germ ridden lorry parked by their food all day, goodness only knows what will happen in summer when every flying insect for miles will be attracted to their stalls and refuse truck. Makes one wonder what Wiltshire Council's EHO's are doing, presumably busy up North of the County! Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 13

9:42am Wed 12 Feb 14

hillyanne says...

Far more pleasant to shop there now.It looked so scruffy and clogged up with all the vans parked all over the place.You can actually see where the stalls are!
Far more pleasant to shop there now.It looked so scruffy and clogged up with all the vans parked all over the place.You can actually see where the stalls are! hillyanne
  • Score: 22

9:49am Wed 12 Feb 14

tnediser says...

So does this mean the vans and trailers from the Fair in October won't be allowed either - should be interesting if they are told!!
So does this mean the vans and trailers from the Fair in October won't be allowed either - should be interesting if they are told!! tnediser
  • Score: 17

10:29am Wed 12 Feb 14

blackstone says...

The traders should all go elsewhere---they need their vans
So on top of paying rent for their pitch ,,they then have to pay to park their van

Go elsewhere lads--and ladies
The traders should all go elsewhere---they need their vans So on top of paying rent for their pitch ,,they then have to pay to park their van Go elsewhere lads--and ladies blackstone
  • Score: -9

4:29pm Wed 12 Feb 14

dauwalder1 says...

We run a restaurant on Salisbury Market place and our customers many of whom are regular patrons of the market have said how much tidier the markets look without the vans. Cllr quite rightly indicated the bad weather. Almost every business in Salisbury is suffering as a result of the seasonally adverse weather. This is combined with grossly uncompetitive parking charges in Salisbury. I would love to be able to place my vehicle outside my business, very few businesses have such privilege, why should market traders have an exemption. What Salisbury needs is more diverse stalls on the Market filling those spaces once taken by the vans. This will make the market more attractive and bring more people into the city. I have every sympathy with Cllr Tomes and his fellow traders, it's been a tough winter for us all. Maybe Cllr Tomes could use his position on Wiltshire Council to lobby them to make Salisburys shoppers car parking charges more competitive with Winchester, Poole, Bournemouth, Basingstoke, Southampton and Basingstoke - that will have a much bigger impact on the city's trade including the Market as a whole than bringing vans back.

Steve Dauwalder
La Mollina Restaurant
We run a restaurant on Salisbury Market place and our customers many of whom are regular patrons of the market have said how much tidier the markets look without the vans. Cllr quite rightly indicated the bad weather. Almost every business in Salisbury is suffering as a result of the seasonally adverse weather. This is combined with grossly uncompetitive parking charges in Salisbury. I would love to be able to place my vehicle outside my business, very few businesses have such privilege, why should market traders have an exemption. What Salisbury needs is more diverse stalls on the Market filling those spaces once taken by the vans. This will make the market more attractive and bring more people into the city. I have every sympathy with Cllr Tomes and his fellow traders, it's been a tough winter for us all. Maybe Cllr Tomes could use his position on Wiltshire Council to lobby them to make Salisburys shoppers car parking charges more competitive with Winchester, Poole, Bournemouth, Basingstoke, Southampton and Basingstoke - that will have a much bigger impact on the city's trade including the Market as a whole than bringing vans back. Steve Dauwalder La Mollina Restaurant dauwalder1
  • Score: 30

4:32pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Blueland says...

Once again the council ride rough-shot over any comon-sense, I for one liked the old style market-made the place interesting being a bit un- uniform with the vans behind the stalls.
Now vast spaces of nothing- stalls in there little lines- all very uniform and boring-- looks nothing like the thriving market we all enjoyed before the council took it upon themselves to meddle.
The council should get there act together before we lose more traders as some have already left--
As they say "it's good to talk" all depends if the council can be bothered to listen!
Once again the council ride rough-shot over any comon-sense, I for one liked the old style market-made the place interesting being a bit un- uniform with the vans behind the stalls. Now vast spaces of nothing- stalls in there little lines- all very uniform and boring-- looks nothing like the thriving market we all enjoyed before the council took it upon themselves to meddle. The council should get there act together before we lose more traders as some have already left-- As they say "it's good to talk" all depends if the council can be bothered to listen! Blueland
  • Score: -17

7:08pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Champers says...

Hopefully the ban will also apply to the illegal pitch by the flower seller regularly parked on the edge of the square. It must be so infuriating for the the legitimate traders to see it there knowing it has not even paid for the privilege. Interesting also, that it is supposedly against the law to park on a public pavement, but nothing seems to ever be done about it.
Hopefully the ban will also apply to the illegal pitch by the flower seller regularly parked on the edge of the square. It must be so infuriating for the the legitimate traders to see it there knowing it has not even paid for the privilege. Interesting also, that it is supposedly against the law to park on a public pavement, but nothing seems to ever be done about it. Champers
  • Score: 7

8:05pm Wed 12 Feb 14

dauwalder1 says...

I refer to the comment made by "Blueland" - Many of the traders take their holidays during January and February and a number of stall holders have taken time out whilst some of the building works have been goiung on. The number of stalls present on the market over the past 6 weeks has been slightly up on the same period last year and the year before. Its just a perception that some have gone. A few have retired but there are also new stalls gradually appearing. One long standing stall I know is away because her caravan is damaged and being repaired. Im usually one of the first to criticise our councils, but in the case of the markets, the City Council are in the great effort to promote the market and stimulate new intererst. There are just one or two traders who fear change, most I have spoken to are embracing it. Its been a difficult year for all of the traders and the businesses around the square because of the development by Wiltshire Council which is now in its 46th week of a 22 week project.
I refer to the comment made by "Blueland" - Many of the traders take their holidays during January and February and a number of stall holders have taken time out whilst some of the building works have been goiung on. The number of stalls present on the market over the past 6 weeks has been slightly up on the same period last year and the year before. Its just a perception that some have gone. A few have retired but there are also new stalls gradually appearing. One long standing stall I know is away because her caravan is damaged and being repaired. Im usually one of the first to criticise our councils, but in the case of the markets, the City Council are in the great effort to promote the market and stimulate new intererst. There are just one or two traders who fear change, most I have spoken to are embracing it. Its been a difficult year for all of the traders and the businesses around the square because of the development by Wiltshire Council which is now in its 46th week of a 22 week project. dauwalder1
  • Score: 19

7:31pm Thu 13 Feb 14

John Todman says...

Where are these stupid edicts coming from? Whoever considered market stall such as the fresh food/veg, the dog food **** bird food stall the linen stalls, et al?? It appears that these traders are only allowed to offload whatever they can at the beginning of the day, never considering that by mid morning supplies may have to be replenished - from where???? From the other side of the city of course what could be easier?????? I for one would not be surprised to see all market traders putting up two or more - fingers at the council and saying - we can take our business elsewhere. I will support whatever action traders may take in their fight against beurocracy. Dauwalder1 maybe has forgotten that when stocks require replenishing they need to be ON HAND and not miles away.
Where are these stupid edicts coming from? Whoever considered market stall such as the fresh food/veg, the dog food **** bird food stall the linen stalls, et al?? It appears that these traders are only allowed to offload whatever they can at the beginning of the day, never considering that by mid morning supplies may have to be replenished - from where???? From the other side of the city of course what could be easier?????? I for one would not be surprised to see all market traders putting up two or more - fingers at the council and saying - we can take our business elsewhere. I will support whatever action traders may take in their fight against beurocracy. Dauwalder1 maybe has forgotten that when stocks require replenishing they need to be ON HAND and not miles away. John Todman
  • Score: -9

8:37pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Schoolmum999 says...

This is a tough one. The market looks better and is easier to explore without the vans, but it must be hard for the traders. Particularly as the redevelopment is massively behind schedule! Another successful RC project!
This is a tough one. The market looks better and is easier to explore without the vans, but it must be hard for the traders. Particularly as the redevelopment is massively behind schedule! Another successful RC project! Schoolmum999
  • Score: 4

10:55pm Fri 14 Feb 14

salisburytrader says...

Something people are failing to understand is the danger of trading in the weather we have had ! My husband trades on Salisbury Market and has had to abandon many days recently. Having vans on does not look pretty but being able to tie the stalls to them helps to keep the market safe and for the traders to make a living. Many shoppers seem to find it hilarious when metal bars are flying about !! As the weather calms and the works are finished there are many new traders ready to fill in the spaces .
Something people are failing to understand is the danger of trading in the weather we have had ! My husband trades on Salisbury Market and has had to abandon many days recently. Having vans on does not look pretty but being able to tie the stalls to them helps to keep the market safe and for the traders to make a living. Many shoppers seem to find it hilarious when metal bars are flying about !! As the weather calms and the works are finished there are many new traders ready to fill in the spaces . salisburytrader
  • Score: 7

3:05pm Sat 15 Feb 14

dauwalder1 says...

SalisburyTrader. Of course it's far from hilarious when the current wind and rain throws everything around. The weathers affecting us all in different ways. I note that the market officers have been letting a few vans on over the past week or so for this very reason. However Cllr a Tomes approach appears that he permanently wants vans back which surely is a step in the wrong direction. Many markets around the region have moved vans off and they all look better for it. We need to keep our city tidy and drive up footfall which will benefit all businesses. Public enemy number one to anyone trading in Salisbury is uncompetitive parking charges, the ruling body on Wiltshire Council have got to get their heads out of the sand and look at our competition in other areas. 5 more shops going in our city this month, whilst most Councillors are more than happy to take an above inflation pay rise to the cost of us all.
SalisburyTrader. Of course it's far from hilarious when the current wind and rain throws everything around. The weathers affecting us all in different ways. I note that the market officers have been letting a few vans on over the past week or so for this very reason. However Cllr a Tomes approach appears that he permanently wants vans back which surely is a step in the wrong direction. Many markets around the region have moved vans off and they all look better for it. We need to keep our city tidy and drive up footfall which will benefit all businesses. Public enemy number one to anyone trading in Salisbury is uncompetitive parking charges, the ruling body on Wiltshire Council have got to get their heads out of the sand and look at our competition in other areas. 5 more shops going in our city this month, whilst most Councillors are more than happy to take an above inflation pay rise to the cost of us all. dauwalder1
  • Score: 7

1:59pm Mon 17 Feb 14

Blueland says...

5 more shops going! Blimey--not going to be much left! Less revenue
The market will be affected by the no vans rule--less traders, less revenue.
No parking on the market sq on none market days. Less revenue.
Park & ride must loose bundles, less revenue.
I think there's a pattern forming lol.
What a joke the council are--unless you own a Chinese granite factory!
5 more shops going! Blimey--not going to be much left! Less revenue The market will be affected by the no vans rule--less traders, less revenue. No parking on the market sq on none market days. Less revenue. Park & ride must loose bundles, less revenue. I think there's a pattern forming lol. What a joke the council are--unless you own a Chinese granite factory! Blueland
  • Score: -5

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