Crackdown on Market Place parking

PARKING attendants have been out in force to clamp down on illegal parking in Salisbury’s newly refurbished Market Place.

The former car park was pedestrianised last year as part of a multi-million-pound refurbishment.

But drivers have continued to park in the square in the evenings despite signs informing them the area is a no parking zone.

Signs near the former entrance to the car park state the area is “no parking at any time including blue badge holders”, but people have been ignoring these after dark.

At 7.30pm on Saturday three parking attendants turned up to issue tickets to 20 illegally parked cars.

A further 20 motorists dashed out of restaurants to move their vehicle just in time.

Steve Dauwalder, owner of Market Place restaurant La Mollina, who campaigned for the square to remain as a car park, said he was “disgusted” by the council’s behaviour and claims the signs are too high and not adequately illuminated.

He said: “While the wardens were there about 15 vehicles pulled in and almost every driver told the wardens they did not see the signs. “Little thought has gone into the placement of the signs and it looks very much like entrapment and a revenue-raiser above all else.”

A Wiltshire Council spokesman said both Salisbury City Council and Wiltshire Police had informed them there was frequent inappropriate parking in the Market Place and asked them to take enforcement action.

“It is now a pedestrianised area and a space the whole community can use. This is important as it will reduce the risk of the Market Place being damaged and ensure it is an area everyone in the city can enjoy.

“There are clear signs visible in the Market Place informing people of the parking restrictions. During the design phase various options were discussed for the signage. We feel there is the right mix between advising parkers and having a visually pleasing area.”

The council spokesman also confirmed the new toilets in the Market Place opened on Monday.

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8:12am Wed 19 Feb 14

tnediser says...

Shame they are not out in force along Fisherton Street and Wilton Road where there are aleays cars parked in the evenings and weekends - even in the cycle lane in Wilton Road!!
Shame they are not out in force along Fisherton Street and Wilton Road where there are aleays cars parked in the evenings and weekends - even in the cycle lane in Wilton Road!! tnediser

8:25am Wed 19 Feb 14

hillyanne says...

Can they clamp down on the skateboarders using the Guildhall steps and area around.Noisy and intrusive.
Can they clamp down on the skateboarders using the Guildhall steps and area around.Noisy and intrusive. hillyanne

9:45am Wed 19 Feb 14

blackstone says...

So,where does one park when needing the new toilets??
So,where does one park when needing the new toilets?? blackstone

10:47am Wed 19 Feb 14

minivin says...

blackstone wrote:
So,where does one park when needing the new toilets??
Or why not drive into central car park, park up and use the toilets there?
[quote][p][bold]blackstone[/bold] wrote: So,where does one park when needing the new toilets??[/p][/quote]Or why not drive into central car park, park up and use the toilets there? minivin

12:23pm Wed 19 Feb 14

blackstone says...

A stranger ,driving thro town centre would see the toilets,and maybe choose to use them,,wouldnt now anything about those in central car park
A stranger ,driving thro town centre would see the toilets,and maybe choose to use them,,wouldnt now anything about those in central car park blackstone

1:10pm Wed 19 Feb 14

karlmarx says...

So where is this years fun fair, Christmas Market and weekly markets going to be held? all of that looks quite heavy and might damage the Market square.
So where is this years fun fair, Christmas Market and weekly markets going to be held? all of that looks quite heavy and might damage the Market square. karlmarx

1:50pm Wed 19 Feb 14

AndrewM says...

karlmarx wrote:
So where is this years fun fair, Christmas Market and weekly markets going to be held? all of that looks quite heavy and might damage the Market square.
That's why it's nice thick and sturdy Chinese granite, Karl!
[quote][p][bold]karlmarx[/bold] wrote: So where is this years fun fair, Christmas Market and weekly markets going to be held? all of that looks quite heavy and might damage the Market square.[/p][/quote]That's why it's nice thick and sturdy Chinese granite, Karl! AndrewM

2:02pm Wed 19 Feb 14

blackstone says...

The square is not supposed to be used--its only for looking at
The square is not supposed to be used--its only for looking at blackstone

3:00pm Wed 19 Feb 14

HappyChappie15 says...

3 parking attendants out on a Saturday evening? Could be usefully deployed on the streets of Salisbury dealing with illegal parking across pavements and cars/ vans parked facing oncoming traffic on wrong side of road at night. Would this be excused in favour of dealing with a few cars parked on precious slabs of stone in the Market Place? Of course, whatever next!
3 parking attendants out on a Saturday evening? Could be usefully deployed on the streets of Salisbury dealing with illegal parking across pavements and cars/ vans parked facing oncoming traffic on wrong side of road at night. Would this be excused in favour of dealing with a few cars parked on precious slabs of stone in the Market Place? Of course, whatever next! HappyChappie15

3:24pm Wed 19 Feb 14

gingin says...

If the cars parked belong to local residents then they should know better. All this went to consultation and although it is not want some wished for it's the outcome and we need to get along with it. Plain ignorance or protest parking will not stop you receiving a parking penalty!

If you were to visit another town or city and their central square was a no car zone would you be ignorant enough to just park there because you didn't agree with it?

For goodness sake set an example over it all, the market has been done the no car zone introduced so why not put your energies into getting the parking charges reduced instead of still protesting over something which will not change.

If the signs are not big enough or illuminated enough then the Council needs to sort the problem, then the attendants can go elsewhere as suggested and sort another problem!
If the cars parked belong to local residents then they should know better. All this went to consultation and although it is not want some wished for it's the outcome and we need to get along with it. Plain ignorance or protest parking will not stop you receiving a parking penalty! If you were to visit another town or city and their central square was a no car zone would you be ignorant enough to just park there because you didn't agree with it? For goodness sake set an example over it all, the market has been done the no car zone introduced so why not put your energies into getting the parking charges reduced instead of still protesting over something which will not change. If the signs are not big enough or illuminated enough then the Council needs to sort the problem, then the attendants can go elsewhere as suggested and sort another problem! gingin

4:03pm Wed 19 Feb 14

IanMcL says...

Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians?

It is not a car park any longer.
Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians? It is not a car park any longer. IanMcL

4:44pm Wed 19 Feb 14

HappyChappie15 says...

IanMcL wrote:
Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians?

It is not a car park any longer.
Thought pavements were for pedestrians too but doesn't seem to stop people parking across them. Not easy to get around in wheelchairs, prams, buggies with vehicles taking up most of the pavement.
[quote][p][bold]IanMcL[/bold] wrote: Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians? It is not a car park any longer.[/p][/quote]Thought pavements were for pedestrians too but doesn't seem to stop people parking across them. Not easy to get around in wheelchairs, prams, buggies with vehicles taking up most of the pavement. HappyChappie15

6:14pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Cadesupfront says...

Why not put up NO Entry signs on the 2 entrances.
Only problem they don't work on Brown Street car park but at least it is an universal sign.
Why not put up NO Entry signs on the 2 entrances. Only problem they don't work on Brown Street car park but at least it is an universal sign. Cadesupfront

8:37pm Wed 19 Feb 14

SpireWeather says...

I think the Market Place looks great - there are plenty of other local car parks, and God forbid, people might even get more exercise using them! Market & charter fair vehicles should also be limited though. I agree that parking enforcement outside the city centre is awful, and will only get worse with fewer police on patrol. Concentrate on that and anti-social behaviour, please, and repair Salisbury's Godawful roads!
I think the Market Place looks great - there are plenty of other local car parks, and God forbid, people might even get more exercise using them! Market & charter fair vehicles should also be limited though. I agree that parking enforcement outside the city centre is awful, and will only get worse with fewer police on patrol. Concentrate on that and anti-social behaviour, please, and repair Salisbury's Godawful roads! SpireWeather

10:02pm Wed 19 Feb 14

nesspah says...

HappyChappie15 wrote:
IanMcL wrote: Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians? It is not a car park any longer.
Thought pavements were for pedestrians too but doesn't seem to stop people parking across them. Not easy to get around in wheelchairs, prams, buggies with vehicles taking up most of the pavement.
How right you are HappyChappie - do you still make that dog food, never seem to see it nowadays - I've even seen police cars parked on the pavement.

Parking on the pavement, driving with fog lights on in good weather, not signalling when turning left, number plates distorted to make personalised names, etc. I thought they were all against the rules but nobody seems to care.

Then, as in the case of the Market Place, when they are caught they squeal like stuck pigs. We don't want a police state but a few obeyed rules does help us all get along.
[quote][p][bold]HappyChappie15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IanMcL[/bold] wrote: Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians? It is not a car park any longer.[/p][/quote]Thought pavements were for pedestrians too but doesn't seem to stop people parking across them. Not easy to get around in wheelchairs, prams, buggies with vehicles taking up most of the pavement.[/p][/quote]How right you are HappyChappie - do you still make that dog food, never seem to see it nowadays - I've even seen police cars parked on the pavement. Parking on the pavement, driving with fog lights on in good weather, not signalling when turning left, number plates distorted to make personalised names, etc. I thought they were all against the rules but nobody seems to care. Then, as in the case of the Market Place, when they are caught they squeal like stuck pigs. We don't want a police state but a few obeyed rules does help us all get along. nesspah

11:54pm Wed 19 Feb 14

karlmarx says...

AndrewM wrote:
karlmarx wrote:
So where is this years fun fair, Christmas Market and weekly markets going to be held? all of that looks quite heavy and might damage the Market square.
That's why it's nice thick and sturdy Chinese granite, Karl!
So it can't support the weight of a car but can manage to support the weight of electricity generator trucks and fairground rides, sounds logical, are they magic paving slabs?
[quote][p][bold]AndrewM[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]karlmarx[/bold] wrote: So where is this years fun fair, Christmas Market and weekly markets going to be held? all of that looks quite heavy and might damage the Market square.[/p][/quote]That's why it's nice thick and sturdy Chinese granite, Karl![/p][/quote]So it can't support the weight of a car but can manage to support the weight of electricity generator trucks and fairground rides, sounds logical, are they magic paving slabs? karlmarx

2:34am Thu 20 Feb 14

karlmarx says...

IanMcL wrote:
Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians?

It is not a car park any longer.
They already do in Salisbury, it doesn't seem to stop them parking and reversing down the pedestrianised High Street between New street and New Canal.
[quote][p][bold]IanMcL[/bold] wrote: Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians? It is not a car park any longer.[/p][/quote]They already do in Salisbury, it doesn't seem to stop them parking and reversing down the pedestrianised High Street between New street and New Canal. karlmarx

2:36am Thu 20 Feb 14

karlmarx says...

With the appalling state of the roads in Salisbury I'm not in the least surprised that some motorists drive off road.
With the appalling state of the roads in Salisbury I'm not in the least surprised that some motorists drive off road. karlmarx

10:35am Thu 20 Feb 14

gingin says...

Whatever the excuses given here it's still a no car zone! Parking on pavements is wrong and does make it extremely difficult for buggies and wheel chairs but two wrongs do not make it right. Report it all to the police and demand they do their job!

The roads are awful in Salisbury but why make that the excuse to break the law and park where you shouldn't. The thing to remember here is if the Market Square had been left as it was the money would have been used somewhere else in Wiltshire and not for road repairs or putting towards the parking charges it would simply have disappeared to another Wiltshire town for their use. Don't misinterpret these comments as support for the use of Granite from outside of the UK but the decision was made whatever we say and it has become like a broken record now.

The issue of the market trader vans and the charter fair are different to cars being parked on the square in protest. Perhaps it would be better to ask the question of Salisbury City Council regarding the vehicles belonging to the Fair instead of second guessing the outcome, lets hear what they have to say or have decided about the problem! If the answer is they may park their vehicles on the Market Square then we can argue the points.

I think the Market Square looks a lot better albeit an expensive project, we should look after it.
Whatever the excuses given here it's still a no car zone! Parking on pavements is wrong and does make it extremely difficult for buggies and wheel chairs but two wrongs do not make it right. Report it all to the police and demand they do their job! The roads are awful in Salisbury but why make that the excuse to break the law and park where you shouldn't. The thing to remember here is if the Market Square had been left as it was the money would have been used somewhere else in Wiltshire and not for road repairs or putting towards the parking charges it would simply have disappeared to another Wiltshire town for their use. Don't misinterpret these comments as support for the use of Granite from outside of the UK but the decision was made whatever we say and it has become like a broken record now. The issue of the market trader vans and the charter fair are different to cars being parked on the square in protest. Perhaps it would be better to ask the question of Salisbury City Council regarding the vehicles belonging to the Fair instead of second guessing the outcome, lets hear what they have to say or have decided about the problem! If the answer is they may park their vehicles on the Market Square then we can argue the points. I think the Market Square looks a lot better albeit an expensive project, we should look after it. gingin

3:26pm Thu 20 Feb 14

karlmarx says...

I suspect the council will simply continue to issue parking tickets on the basis that they only need to issue another 42,857 of them to cover the £3 million cost of the Chinese paving slabs. Yes I know the £3 million was a 'gift' from some obscure governmental department/quango but, in times of austerity I'm sure that sort of money isn't needed anywhere else. Checks notes to see which other services have been cut this month.
I suspect the council will simply continue to issue parking tickets on the basis that they only need to issue another 42,857 of them to cover the £3 million cost of the Chinese paving slabs. Yes I know the £3 million was a 'gift' from some obscure governmental department/quango but, in times of austerity I'm sure that sort of money isn't needed anywhere else. Checks notes to see which other services have been cut this month. karlmarx

10:37pm Thu 20 Feb 14

dauwalder1 says...

Gin Gin is right - It is a no parking pedestrianised zone. However the signs are not at the dropped kerbs on Blue Boar Row and are not well placed and barely visible at night with no illumination. The square is now a lot darker at night than it used to be. The solution is proper signs as defined in the Highway Code. These should bear a Red Circle above the words "Pedestrianised Zone". If these are visible from the street only a foolish driver would then turn into the square.
Gin Gin is right - It is a no parking pedestrianised zone. However the signs are not at the dropped kerbs on Blue Boar Row and are not well placed and barely visible at night with no illumination. The square is now a lot darker at night than it used to be. The solution is proper signs as defined in the Highway Code. These should bear a Red Circle above the words "Pedestrianised Zone". If these are visible from the street only a foolish driver would then turn into the square. dauwalder1

10:41pm Thu 20 Feb 14

dauwalder1 says...

IanMcL wrote:
Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians?

It is not a car park any longer.
The word "Pedestrian" or "Pedestrianised Zone" do not feature on ANY of the signs on the square. Our Councillors need to make this very clear at all entrances to the square.
[quote][p][bold]IanMcL[/bold] wrote: Would folk park on any other Town/City pedestrianised area reserved for....pedestrians? It is not a car park any longer.[/p][/quote]The word "Pedestrian" or "Pedestrianised Zone" do not feature on ANY of the signs on the square. Our Councillors need to make this very clear at all entrances to the square. dauwalder1

12:31pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Beardy359 says...

dauwalder1 wrote:
Gin Gin is right - It is a no parking pedestrianised zone. However the signs are not at the dropped kerbs on Blue Boar Row and are not well placed and barely visible at night with no illumination. The square is now a lot darker at night than it used to be. The solution is proper signs as defined in the Highway Code. These should bear a Red Circle above the words "Pedestrianised Zone". If these are visible from the street only a foolish driver would then turn into the square.
"Pedestrianised Zone!" signs don't make much difference in the Cheese Market-delivery vans, taxies, cash machine users all drive through with impunity.The much vaunted resurfacing of Blue Boar Row is already breaking up again as well!
[quote][p][bold]dauwalder1[/bold] wrote: Gin Gin is right - It is a no parking pedestrianised zone. However the signs are not at the dropped kerbs on Blue Boar Row and are not well placed and barely visible at night with no illumination. The square is now a lot darker at night than it used to be. The solution is proper signs as defined in the Highway Code. These should bear a Red Circle above the words "Pedestrianised Zone". If these are visible from the street only a foolish driver would then turn into the square.[/p][/quote]"Pedestrianised Zone!" signs don't make much difference in the Cheese Market-delivery vans, taxies, cash machine users all drive through with impunity.The much vaunted resurfacing of Blue Boar Row is already breaking up again as well! Beardy359

8:55am Sat 22 Feb 14

Jay109 says...

I just don't shop in Salisbury any longer. There is limited places to park, those that are available are expensive, and the shopping is increasingly limited to coffee shops and art galleries. The placement of Taxi Ranks outside Tesco in Castle Street and in Bridge Street mean there is severe congestion at most times, buses getting stuck behind taxi drivers sitting their bus stops or sitting in the ranks opposite huge traffic queues in Fisherton St just add to the reason why I stay away. Also it is easier, cheaper and there is a better range of shopping in other nearby towns and cities. I live here, its a beautiful city aside from the poor management , but I simply spend my money elsewhere.
I just don't shop in Salisbury any longer. There is limited places to park, those that are available are expensive, and the shopping is increasingly limited to coffee shops and art galleries. The placement of Taxi Ranks outside Tesco in Castle Street and in Bridge Street mean there is severe congestion at most times, buses getting stuck behind taxi drivers sitting their bus stops or sitting in the ranks opposite huge traffic queues in Fisherton St just add to the reason why I stay away. Also it is easier, cheaper and there is a better range of shopping in other nearby towns and cities. I live here, its a beautiful city aside from the poor management , but I simply spend my money elsewhere. Jay109

11:32pm Sat 22 Feb 14

IanMcL says...

I have no objection to pavement parkers and cheese market abusers receiving a ticket either!

There are loads of legitimate parking spaces for everyone.

Keep the pedestrian areas for their proper purpose and let's all enjoy the walks.
I have no objection to pavement parkers and cheese market abusers receiving a ticket either! There are loads of legitimate parking spaces for everyone. Keep the pedestrian areas for their proper purpose and let's all enjoy the walks. IanMcL

3:51pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Schoolmum999 says...

I'm no fan of the amount of money spent on the market square, as I think £3M could have been put to better use, but parking laws must be equally and equitably enforced. One idea, why not make it impossible to drive onto the market square with physical barriers, then no more problem! Or is this too simple?

BTW, we haven't been into town for a couple of weeks. (why would you?) Is the market square finished yet?
I'm no fan of the amount of money spent on the market square, as I think £3M could have been put to better use, but parking laws must be equally and equitably enforced. One idea, why not make it impossible to drive onto the market square with physical barriers, then no more problem! Or is this too simple? BTW, we haven't been into town for a couple of weeks. (why would you?) Is the market square finished yet? Schoolmum999

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