Bus pass consultation underway

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WILTSHIRE residents can give their views on proposed changes to concessionary bus fares from next year.

Wiltshire is the only local authority in the region that currently provides all-day concessionary passes to all eligible groups. But the service costs about £4.6m a year and the council says it needs to look at where it can make savings.

John Thomson, cabinet member for transport, said: “We will continue to fund free travel for the elderly and disabled but we want people to tell us when they use the free transport and what options would work best for them so we can make savings while ensuring people can enjoy the free travel and go about their business.”

Residents and other interested groups are asking for their views on proposed changes that could mean on weekdays bus passes would be valid after either 9am or 9.30am, which could save between £133,000 and £296,000 from the budget.

Free travel starting at 9.30am is already used in Swindon, Dorset, Hampshire and Gloucestershire The consultation is available at wiltshire.gov.uk/council/consultations.htm until September 26.

Any changes could be brought in from April next year.

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11:10am Mon 11 Aug 14

Grampie says...

Those who do not have bus passes will agree.

Those who do not have bus passes will disagree.

How do they know how much extra money will they will get out of pensioners by changing this rule? Most pensioners will just travel later in the day, so the cost will be just the same

The people it will affect will be those who have to travel to hospital or the doctors for morning appointments, which as we know becomes more frequent as people get older.

Another Tory policy to penalise the old and the sick, but never mind, some millionaires are getting richer.
Those who do not have bus passes will agree. Those who do not have bus passes will disagree. How do they know how much extra money will they will get out of pensioners by changing this rule? Most pensioners will just travel later in the day, so the cost will be just the same The people it will affect will be those who have to travel to hospital or the doctors for morning appointments, which as we know becomes more frequent as people get older. Another Tory policy to penalise the old and the sick, but never mind, some millionaires are getting richer. Grampie
  • Score: -11

3:38pm Mon 11 Aug 14

dinzle says...

As a daily bus user who is frequently made late for work due to the volume of pensioners (+ obligatory shopping trolleys) that we have to pick up, I think that free travel should be restricted to between 10am and 4pm, and a subsidised charge made outside of these hours. This would help to reduce unnecessary overcrowding on buses that people have to use to get to and from work/school on and would make better use of buses that run at quieter times thereby helping to ensure their future security, especially of the already decimated rural services. (I think that a lot of pensioners take advantage of their free passes by using them to get on at one stop and off at the next a few minutes' walk away, something I am sure they would not do if they had to pay for it!)

Perhaps free passes should also be means tested - I know several pensioners with more disposable income than I have who could easily afford to pay to travel.
As a daily bus user who is frequently made late for work due to the volume of pensioners (+ obligatory shopping trolleys) that we have to pick up, I think that free travel should be restricted to between 10am and 4pm, and a subsidised charge made outside of these hours. This would help to reduce unnecessary overcrowding on buses that people have to use to get to and from work/school on and would make better use of buses that run at quieter times thereby helping to ensure their future security, especially of the already decimated rural services. (I think that a lot of pensioners take advantage of their free passes by using them to get on at one stop and off at the next a few minutes' walk away, something I am sure they would not do if they had to pay for it!) Perhaps free passes should also be means tested - I know several pensioners with more disposable income than I have who could easily afford to pay to travel. dinzle
  • Score: 1

4:03pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Old Salisbury Boy says...

I still fail to understand why pensioners are entitled to use the Park and Ride sites free of charge. Thereby using up two subsides from the council at once. (one for the bus and one the loss making PandR site)
I still fail to understand why pensioners are entitled to use the Park and Ride sites free of charge. Thereby using up two subsides from the council at once. (one for the bus and one the loss making PandR site) Old Salisbury Boy
  • Score: 17

4:53pm Mon 11 Aug 14

ValPett says...

Please keep the early morning start as most hospital appointments are first thing in the morning. Thank you
Please keep the early morning start as most hospital appointments are first thing in the morning. Thank you ValPett
  • Score: 13

5:35pm Mon 11 Aug 14

hillyanne says...

The survey is easy to do.Vox Pop can help.
I think from 9am is fair.Many commuters should be at work by then.(I was!)
By the way,Dinzle,you may need this excellent scheme one day.
The survey is easy to do.Vox Pop can help. I think from 9am is fair.Many commuters should be at work by then.(I was!) By the way,Dinzle,you may need this excellent scheme one day. hillyanne
  • Score: 14

6:50pm Mon 11 Aug 14

bj.stonehenge says...

People should remember they are all going to be old one day, the worst effected would be the sick and elderly who have to attend early hospital appointments , all of us who have worked all our life have paid the taxes to cover for this cost.
B Collins , Durrington
People should remember they are all going to be old one day, the worst effected would be the sick and elderly who have to attend early hospital appointments , all of us who have worked all our life have paid the taxes to cover for this cost. B Collins , Durrington bj.stonehenge
  • Score: 11

9:29pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Grampie says...

dinzle wrote:
As a daily bus user who is frequently made late for work due to the volume of pensioners (+ obligatory shopping trolleys) that we have to pick up, I think that free travel should be restricted to between 10am and 4pm, and a subsidised charge made outside of these hours. This would help to reduce unnecessary overcrowding on buses that people have to use to get to and from work/school on and would make better use of buses that run at quieter times thereby helping to ensure their future security, especially of the already decimated rural services. (I think that a lot of pensioners take advantage of their free passes by using them to get on at one stop and off at the next a few minutes' walk away, something I am sure they would not do if they had to pay for it!)

Perhaps free passes should also be means tested - I know several pensioners with more disposable income than I have who could easily afford to pay to travel.
It would be interested to know what time you go to work and where from.

Perhaps you should take an earlier bus.
[quote][p][bold]dinzle[/bold] wrote: As a daily bus user who is frequently made late for work due to the volume of pensioners (+ obligatory shopping trolleys) that we have to pick up, I think that free travel should be restricted to between 10am and 4pm, and a subsidised charge made outside of these hours. This would help to reduce unnecessary overcrowding on buses that people have to use to get to and from work/school on and would make better use of buses that run at quieter times thereby helping to ensure their future security, especially of the already decimated rural services. (I think that a lot of pensioners take advantage of their free passes by using them to get on at one stop and off at the next a few minutes' walk away, something I am sure they would not do if they had to pay for it!) Perhaps free passes should also be means tested - I know several pensioners with more disposable income than I have who could easily afford to pay to travel.[/p][/quote]It would be interested to know what time you go to work and where from. Perhaps you should take an earlier bus. Grampie
  • Score: -1

11:19am Tue 12 Aug 14

the headlander says...

Old Salisbury Boy wrote:
I still fail to understand why pensioners are entitled to use the Park and Ride sites free of charge. Thereby using up two subsides from the council at once. (one for the bus and one the loss making PandR site)
Can the 2 subsides be separated?
[quote][p][bold]Old Salisbury Boy[/bold] wrote: I still fail to understand why pensioners are entitled to use the Park and Ride sites free of charge. Thereby using up two subsides from the council at once. (one for the bus and one the loss making PandR site)[/p][/quote]Can the 2 subsides be separated? the headlander
  • Score: 3

9:11am Wed 13 Aug 14

gingin says...

Oh for goodness sake will you listen to yourselves. How can anyone begrudge pensioners free bus passes?!

9am is probably a fair start time but some villages do not have easy regular bus services and makes it difficult to keep a hospital appointment where there is little choice with flexibility.

Griping about the use of P&R is just plain selfish, we all will need some form of help in our later years.

WC is once again hitting the easy targets they have cut the youth budget now it's the turn of the pensioners > they really are a disgraceful council where nobody matters!
Oh for goodness sake will you listen to yourselves. How can anyone begrudge pensioners free bus passes?! 9am is probably a fair start time but some villages do not have easy regular bus services and makes it difficult to keep a hospital appointment where there is little choice with flexibility. Griping about the use of P&R is just plain selfish, we all will need some form of help in our later years. WC is once again hitting the easy targets they have cut the youth budget now it's the turn of the pensioners > they really are a disgraceful council where nobody matters! gingin
  • Score: 14

1:36pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Benny3087 says...

what about the disabled people who have to work or do voluntary work somewhere they need get in for work too, also like people have said hospital appointments are in mornings why penalise others.. leave the system as it is how about taking money off the rich people who hides there money to save paying tax n the companies who don't pay full tax then u get more money in it's always knock the poor, disabled and elderly rather than go after people who has the money
what about the disabled people who have to work or do voluntary work somewhere they need get in for work too, also like people have said hospital appointments are in mornings why penalise others.. leave the system as it is how about taking money off the rich people who hides there money to save paying tax n the companies who don't pay full tax then u get more money in it's always knock the poor, disabled and elderly rather than go after people who has the money Benny3087
  • Score: 2

2:14pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Grampie says...

How about upping the council tax payments for bands G & H?

Those properties are usually occupied by the wealthier part of society, but most of the occupiers vote for people who are the wealthier part of society.

Still, pick on the pensioners, the youth, the social housing occupiers, people who work in the public sector, the disabled and unemployed. After all they are a drain on our economy.

That will bring a few thumbs down.
How about upping the council tax payments for bands G & H? Those properties are usually occupied by the wealthier part of society, but most of the occupiers vote for people who are the wealthier part of society. Still, pick on the pensioners, the youth, the social housing occupiers, people who work in the public sector, the disabled and unemployed. After all they are a drain on our economy. That will bring a few thumbs down. Grampie
  • Score: -1

3:11pm Thu 14 Aug 14

karlmarx says...

Don't MPs get travel expenses paid for by the taxpayer as well? Will we be looking into how savings can be made on MPs travel expenses? Or are the elderly an easier target?
Don't forget 'we're all in this together'
Don't MPs get travel expenses paid for by the taxpayer as well? Will we be looking into how savings can be made on MPs travel expenses? Or are the elderly an easier target? Don't forget 'we're all in this together' karlmarx
  • Score: 8

8:48pm Sat 16 Aug 14

IanMcL says...

"WC is once again hitting the easy targets they have cut the youth budget now it's the turn of the pensioners"

That's the speech I made at Full council!

(It fell on deaf ears)
"WC is once again hitting the easy targets they have cut the youth budget now it's the turn of the pensioners" That's the speech I made at Full council! (It fell on deaf ears) IanMcL
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Sat 16 Aug 14

karlmarx says...

IanMcL wrote:
"WC is once again hitting the easy targets they have cut the youth budget now it's the turn of the pensioners"

That's the speech I made at Full council!

(It fell on deaf ears)
Very true Ian and such a shame that it fell upon deaf ears, again. Remember though our pensioners have the truth on their side...

"It's not a hand-out, it's not welfare and it's not 'something for nothing'.
It's money from the government from a fund you have paid into, for when times are hard, and it belongs to us."

Strange how this is never mentioned when cuts are announced, a case of selective memory loss?
[quote][p][bold]IanMcL[/bold] wrote: "WC is once again hitting the easy targets they have cut the youth budget now it's the turn of the pensioners" That's the speech I made at Full council! (It fell on deaf ears)[/p][/quote]Very true Ian and such a shame that it fell upon deaf ears, again. Remember though our pensioners have the truth on their side... "It's not a hand-out, it's not welfare and it's not 'something for nothing'. It's money from the government from a fund you have paid into, for when times are hard, and it belongs to us." Strange how this is never mentioned when cuts are announced, a case of selective memory loss? karlmarx
  • Score: 3

1:25am Sun 17 Aug 14

IanMcL says...

"Strange how this is never mentioned when cuts are announced, a case of selective memory loss?"

No - that's what they always do.

It is the rich that are supported because the more they can make, the more crumbs may (or may not nowadays with all the tax havens) fall from their table, so the people can scavenge for them.
"Strange how this is never mentioned when cuts are announced, a case of selective memory loss?" No - that's what they always do. It is the rich that are supported because the more they can make, the more crumbs may (or may not nowadays with all the tax havens) fall from their table, so the people can scavenge for them. IanMcL
  • Score: -2

1:57pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Proudfoot says...

I volunteer at SDH and catch the 8.20 bus to be there on time. if I can only use my pass after 9.30 this will mean the patients and staff will miss out on my assistance . Please leave the morning timing for bus passes as it is. Many institutions rely on volunteers to keep them running smoothly.
I volunteer at SDH and catch the 8.20 bus to be there on time. if I can only use my pass after 9.30 this will mean the patients and staff will miss out on my assistance . Please leave the morning timing for bus passes as it is. Many institutions rely on volunteers to keep them running smoothly. Proudfoot
  • Score: 0

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