Farage tilting at South Thanet seat

Farage tilting at South Thanet seat

Nigel Farage confirmed his intention to contest the Ukip nomination for the South Thanet seat

Nigel Farage confirmed his intention to contest the Ukip nomination for the South Thanet seat

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Ukip leader Nigel Farage has confirmed he wants to stand in the South Thanet seat in next year's general election.

Mr Farage said he had "thrown my hat in the ring", ending months of speculation that he was lining up the Kent constituency as his target for the 2015 contest.

In his column in The Independent Mr Farage insisted it was not a certainty that he would be selected by the local party but added: "I think I stand a good chance of winning".

Mr Farage was born in Kent and has represented the area in the European Parliament since 1999.

The Tory incumbent Laura Sandys won the South Thanet seat with a majority of 7,617 in 2010 but is standing down at the general election.

In his column Mr Farage said: "The situation is that there will be a hustings in the constituency the week after next at which the branch will decide who they wish to represent them.

"I have thrown my hat in the ring, but so have others, including a top-class barrister and friend of mine.

"It may seem silly to some that the leader of a party would have to go through the process of being approved and selected but, I assure you, rank means nothing in Ukip.

"Just as I applied to stand again as a Ukip MEP and went through the same assessment as other candidates and faced the vote of the membership with everyone else, I believe that the power to select the person they will be pounding the streets in all weathers for lies with the members of the branch themselves.

"Of course I think I stand a good chance of winning. I have fought the seat before and it is in my home county of Kent and an area I have represented in the European Parliament since 1999. But with Ukip members, nothing is ever for certain. And that's just fine by me."

A senior Ukip source said Mr Farage was one of eight candidates on the shortlist for the seat.

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11:21am Fri 15 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Lets all hope he and UKIP are the next Party to Govern our Country....
Lets all hope he and UKIP are the next Party to Govern our Country.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

1:12pm Fri 15 Aug 14

cosmick says...

welshmen wrote:
Lets all hope he and UKIP are the next Party to Govern our Country....
Yes we need to get the boots on the ground now. I will be doing all i can.
Please help to save our country.
p.s The E/U gave 22 billion to france yesterday.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Lets all hope he and UKIP are the next Party to Govern our Country....[/p][/quote]Yes we need to get the boots on the ground now. I will be doing all i can. Please help to save our country. p.s The E/U gave 22 billion to france yesterday. cosmick
  • Score: 3

1:42pm Fri 15 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

il be voting u/kip
il be voting u/kip jimmysmith
  • Score: 2

1:45pm Fri 15 Aug 14

messyits says...

UKIP and Farage have double standards--should be a rich party-but they advocate out of the EU--nonsense.
UKIP and Farage have double standards--should be a rich party-but they advocate out of the EU--nonsense. messyits
  • Score: -2

4:19pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Rita Jelfs says...

cosmick wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Lets all hope he and UKIP are the next Party to Govern our Country....
Yes we need to get the boots on the ground now. I will be doing all i can.
Please help to save our country.
p.s The E/U gave 22 billion to france yesterday.
What the jackboots? UKIP represent division, xenophobia, and nationalism. A recipe for failure in a democracy.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Lets all hope he and UKIP are the next Party to Govern our Country....[/p][/quote]Yes we need to get the boots on the ground now. I will be doing all i can. Please help to save our country. p.s The E/U gave 22 billion to france yesterday.[/p][/quote]What the jackboots? UKIP represent division, xenophobia, and nationalism. A recipe for failure in a democracy. Rita Jelfs
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.
The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU. Duke.Wellington
  • Score: -1

4:57pm Fri 15 Aug 14

MSG says...

Roll on the election. After the pro-EU, immigration loving anti-UK Labour Party sold the British working class down the river I can't wait to vote for the new working class party - UKIP !
Roll on the election. After the pro-EU, immigration loving anti-UK Labour Party sold the British working class down the river I can't wait to vote for the new working class party - UKIP ! MSG
  • Score: 1

5:14pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Counterview says...

Perhaps UKIPpers should wait to see exactly what else is on Farage's agenda before diving in. From what I've seen this is the first party ever with appeal right across the social spectrum. If that's true UKIP will walk it. But beware politicians. They are all the same - promising the earth and delivering sod all.
Perhaps UKIPpers should wait to see exactly what else is on Farage's agenda before diving in. From what I've seen this is the first party ever with appeal right across the social spectrum. If that's true UKIP will walk it. But beware politicians. They are all the same - promising the earth and delivering sod all. Counterview
  • Score: -1

5:33pm Fri 15 Aug 14

cosmick says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
cosmick wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Lets all hope he and UKIP are the next Party to Govern our Country....
Yes we need to get the boots on the ground now. I will be doing all i can.
Please help to save our country.
p.s The E/U gave 22 billion to france yesterday.
What the jackboots? UKIP represent division, xenophobia, and nationalism. A recipe for failure in a democracy.
Rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Lets all hope he and UKIP are the next Party to Govern our Country....[/p][/quote]Yes we need to get the boots on the ground now. I will be doing all i can. Please help to save our country. p.s The E/U gave 22 billion to france yesterday.[/p][/quote]What the jackboots? UKIP represent division, xenophobia, and nationalism. A recipe for failure in a democracy.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! cosmick
  • Score: 0

5:38pm Fri 15 Aug 14

cosmick says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.
Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else.
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else. cosmick
  • Score: 1

9:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.
keep taking the pills mush
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.[/p][/quote]keep taking the pills mush jimmysmith
  • Score: -1

9:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

cosmick wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.
Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else.
UKIP are a joke and not a real party. They are a lobby group and a loud mouth piece who are riddled with a racist, sexist nazis idealism. Just look a the dispicable people they have, like Godfrey Bloom, Paul Nuttal and the clown prince himself Farrage.

They do not represent the working class of this country if you think they care one bit about ordinary folk you are delusional. Farrage is a ultra Tory capitalist con man.

A vote for UKIP next year is a vote against British Values not for them.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else.[/p][/quote]UKIP are a joke and not a real party. They are a lobby group and a loud mouth piece who are riddled with a racist, sexist nazis idealism. Just look a the dispicable people they have, like Godfrey Bloom, Paul Nuttal and the clown prince himself Farrage. They do not represent the working class of this country if you think they care one bit about ordinary folk you are delusional. Farrage is a ultra Tory capitalist con man. A vote for UKIP next year is a vote against British Values not for them. Duke.Wellington
  • Score: -2

9:46pm Fri 15 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.
Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else.
UKIP are a joke and not a real party. They are a lobby group and a loud mouth piece who are riddled with a racist, sexist nazis idealism. Just look a the dispicable people they have, like Godfrey Bloom, Paul Nuttal and the clown prince himself Farrage.

They do not represent the working class of this country if you think they care one bit about ordinary folk you are delusional. Farrage is a ultra Tory capitalist con man.

A vote for UKIP next year is a vote against British Values not for them.
rest assured fool .ukip do represent us the british people .the only clown prince is you , vote ukip folks out of the e/u and an end to the out of control mass immigration .lets get our country and identity back ,and adios to the tourists and terrorists .and clown prince if in your eyes thats nazism then heil hitler
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else.[/p][/quote]UKIP are a joke and not a real party. They are a lobby group and a loud mouth piece who are riddled with a racist, sexist nazis idealism. Just look a the dispicable people they have, like Godfrey Bloom, Paul Nuttal and the clown prince himself Farrage. They do not represent the working class of this country if you think they care one bit about ordinary folk you are delusional. Farrage is a ultra Tory capitalist con man. A vote for UKIP next year is a vote against British Values not for them.[/p][/quote]rest assured fool .ukip do represent us the british people .the only clown prince is you , vote ukip folks out of the e/u and an end to the out of control mass immigration .lets get our country and identity back ,and adios to the tourists and terrorists .and clown prince if in your eyes thats nazism then heil hitler jimmysmith
  • Score: 3

10:29am Sat 16 Aug 14

Rita Jelfs says...

jimmysmith wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.
Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else.
UKIP are a joke and not a real party. They are a lobby group and a loud mouth piece who are riddled with a racist, sexist nazis idealism. Just look a the dispicable people they have, like Godfrey Bloom, Paul Nuttal and the clown prince himself Farrage.

They do not represent the working class of this country if you think they care one bit about ordinary folk you are delusional. Farrage is a ultra Tory capitalist con man.

A vote for UKIP next year is a vote against British Values not for them.
rest assured fool .ukip do represent us the british people .the only clown prince is you , vote ukip folks out of the e/u and an end to the out of control mass immigration .lets get our country and identity back ,and adios to the tourists and terrorists .and clown prince if in your eyes thats nazism then heil hitler
UKIP might be the fastest growing party. So was Hitler's party in a time of German economic recession. If 'normal' people's values in Britain's are the same as the xenophobic, nationalistic, racist, authoritarian, yob culture values of the UKIP, then they're doomed to repeat economic and political history. It'll be government by 'yobs'. As the saying goes, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." If UKIP represent the British as Jimmy Smith says, the world will certainly be laughing at you clowns in Britain, and yes the international tourists won't be coming. Looking forward to becoming a pariah State are you?
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else.[/p][/quote]UKIP are a joke and not a real party. They are a lobby group and a loud mouth piece who are riddled with a racist, sexist nazis idealism. Just look a the dispicable people they have, like Godfrey Bloom, Paul Nuttal and the clown prince himself Farrage. They do not represent the working class of this country if you think they care one bit about ordinary folk you are delusional. Farrage is a ultra Tory capitalist con man. A vote for UKIP next year is a vote against British Values not for them.[/p][/quote]rest assured fool .ukip do represent us the british people .the only clown prince is you , vote ukip folks out of the e/u and an end to the out of control mass immigration .lets get our country and identity back ,and adios to the tourists and terrorists .and clown prince if in your eyes thats nazism then heil hitler[/p][/quote]UKIP might be the fastest growing party. So was Hitler's party in a time of German economic recession. If 'normal' people's values in Britain's are the same as the xenophobic, nationalistic, racist, authoritarian, yob culture values of the UKIP, then they're doomed to repeat economic and political history. It'll be government by 'yobs'. As the saying goes, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." If UKIP represent the British as Jimmy Smith says, the world will certainly be laughing at you clowns in Britain, and yes the international tourists won't be coming. Looking forward to becoming a pariah State are you? Rita Jelfs
  • Score: -3

1:28pm Sat 16 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Duke.Wellington:
what a dumb **** name for a British hater: why don't you and these other dickwad's Foxtrot Oscar and make some more banners for the Marxist LIB/LAB/CON and the UAF the anti-British nazi's, trying to stop debate with the only crap answer you have in that one brain cell you share with your family is RACIST....

Rita Jelfs:
what a load of ****, your a nazi your a bigot, your fascist scum go and peddle your UAF crap somewhere the sun doesn't shine, the people will decide, who they vote for, voters can keep on with more of the bad stuff from the EU, millions more immigrants from anywhere flooding our Labour market, our vote and stop it, get control back to our Country, if that stops your immigrant family coming here for a free life style then good, UKIP would have done it's job....as for Hitler V Farage, what a thicko you are, your dad must be real proud of you...UKIP are the fasted growing party, the clue is in the name popular....

Counterview:
UIKP's party conference is in September, we will all wait to see what other gems Nigel will have to lead our Country out of the grip of the Marxist lovers of your Liberal Elite British economy destroyers, the people will decide, if they want more of the same crap off either LIB/LAB/CON/GREEN then so be it, but Millions of British voters as showed in the EU elections want change, lets all hope we get that well earned change for our Country....
Duke.Wellington: what a dumb **** name for a British hater: why don't you and these other dickwad's Foxtrot Oscar and make some more banners for the Marxist LIB/LAB/CON and the UAF the anti-British nazi's, trying to stop debate with the only crap answer you have in that one brain cell you share with your family is RACIST.... Rita Jelfs: what a load of ****, your a nazi your a bigot, your fascist scum go and peddle your UAF crap somewhere the sun doesn't shine, the people will decide, who they vote for, voters can keep on with more of the bad stuff from the EU, millions more immigrants from anywhere flooding our Labour market, our vote and stop it, get control back to our Country, if that stops your immigrant family coming here for a free life style then good, UKIP would have done it's job....as for Hitler V Farage, what a thicko you are, your dad must be real proud of you...UKIP are the fasted growing party, the clue is in the name popular.... Counterview: UIKP's party conference is in September, we will all wait to see what other gems Nigel will have to lead our Country out of the grip of the Marxist lovers of your Liberal Elite British economy destroyers, the people will decide, if they want more of the same crap off either LIB/LAB/CON/GREEN then so be it, but Millions of British voters as showed in the EU elections want change, lets all hope we get that well earned change for our Country.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

1:42pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah.

And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values.

Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is.

Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character.
Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah. And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values. Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is. Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character. Duke.Wellington
  • Score: -4

2:42pm Sat 16 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah.

And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values.

Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is.

Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character.
It's Welshmen old fruit, the British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party, made the UK the laughing stock of the world, it's now the center for terrorists and Immigrants alike, (see them in Calais can't get here any quicker to sponge of the UK taxpayer), bankrupted our Country, imported Millions to make sure wages were driven down so you and your ilk could make more money at the expense of hundreds of thousands of British workers, and sadly with thousands who have mortgages and a couple of kids struggling to coup, but you think that's oK, I champion more British values than you stupid face, stop posting crap, come up with something worth reading LIKE FACTS or jog on....
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah. And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values. Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is. Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character.[/p][/quote]It's Welshmen old fruit, the British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party, made the UK the laughing stock of the world, it's now the center for terrorists and Immigrants alike, (see them in Calais can't get here any quicker to sponge of the UK taxpayer), bankrupted our Country, imported Millions to make sure wages were driven down so you and your ilk could make more money at the expense of hundreds of thousands of British workers, and sadly with thousands who have mortgages and a couple of kids struggling to coup, but you think that's oK, I champion more British values than you stupid face, stop posting crap, come up with something worth reading LIKE FACTS or jog on.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

2:44pm Sat 16 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
cosmick wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.
Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else.
UKIP are a joke and not a real party. They are a lobby group and a loud mouth piece who are riddled with a racist, sexist nazis idealism. Just look a the dispicable people they have, like Godfrey Bloom, Paul Nuttal and the clown prince himself Farrage.

They do not represent the working class of this country if you think they care one bit about ordinary folk you are delusional. Farrage is a ultra Tory capitalist con man.

A vote for UKIP next year is a vote against British Values not for them.
rest assured fool .ukip do represent us the british people .the only clown prince is you , vote ukip folks out of the e/u and an end to the out of control mass immigration .lets get our country and identity back ,and adios to the tourists and terrorists .and clown prince if in your eyes thats nazism then heil hitler
UKIP might be the fastest growing party. So was Hitler's party in a time of German economic recession. If 'normal' people's values in Britain's are the same as the xenophobic, nationalistic, racist, authoritarian, yob culture values of the UKIP, then they're doomed to repeat economic and political history. It'll be government by 'yobs'. As the saying goes, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." If UKIP represent the British as Jimmy Smith says, the world will certainly be laughing at you clowns in Britain, and yes the international tourists won't be coming. Looking forward to becoming a pariah State are you?
im looking forward to the tourists going home and us THE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ,getting our country back .getting out of the e/u which incidently none of us THE TRUE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ever wanted membership of ,we were sold out by treacherous profiteers masquerading as politicians .you draw all the ludicrous comparisons you can imagine inside that pea size brain of yours you want .but i wont sit back and watch my country be sold out down the river any more ,its become a toilet ,a sanctuary for the worlds dregs and a safe haven for terrorists .its losing its identity with major cities resembling third world countries ,whilst tens of thousands of my country man and their families are being forced to rely on foodbanks to feed their families because the tourist is taking all the cream .this treacherous ca-moron is pumping ONE BILLION POUNDS A MONTH INTO SUDAN whos prime minister is wanted for war crimes ( hes creaming of 60 per cent of this And thats just the tip of the iceberg you muppet not to mention the trillions wasted on africa and arming syrian islamic terrorists whilst our health service ( the greatest institution in the world is crumbling because of lack of investment of tax -payers money and caring for all the above at my expense .now let me assure you .ukip is a breath of fresh air to me and millions like me .now crawl back under your rock cos the gravy train is about to run dry .GOD BLESS NIGEL FARAGE THE PEOPLES CHAMPION , and that doesnt include you nor scroungers like you
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: The worst thing that could happen to the UK is UKIP having any form of influence on policy. They have already seriously damaged ordinary people's prospects of benefiting from an economic recovery by distracting the nation with nonsense about the EU.[/p][/quote]Rubbish! Fastest growing party in the UK full of normal people who are fed up with the LIBLABCON who want to keep our counrty AND ITS VALUES, Time now to turn the tide back . If you do not like whats going to happen and you are in cookoo land go and live somewhere else.[/p][/quote]UKIP are a joke and not a real party. They are a lobby group and a loud mouth piece who are riddled with a racist, sexist nazis idealism. Just look a the dispicable people they have, like Godfrey Bloom, Paul Nuttal and the clown prince himself Farrage. They do not represent the working class of this country if you think they care one bit about ordinary folk you are delusional. Farrage is a ultra Tory capitalist con man. A vote for UKIP next year is a vote against British Values not for them.[/p][/quote]rest assured fool .ukip do represent us the british people .the only clown prince is you , vote ukip folks out of the e/u and an end to the out of control mass immigration .lets get our country and identity back ,and adios to the tourists and terrorists .and clown prince if in your eyes thats nazism then heil hitler[/p][/quote]UKIP might be the fastest growing party. So was Hitler's party in a time of German economic recession. If 'normal' people's values in Britain's are the same as the xenophobic, nationalistic, racist, authoritarian, yob culture values of the UKIP, then they're doomed to repeat economic and political history. It'll be government by 'yobs'. As the saying goes, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." If UKIP represent the British as Jimmy Smith says, the world will certainly be laughing at you clowns in Britain, and yes the international tourists won't be coming. Looking forward to becoming a pariah State are you?[/p][/quote]im looking forward to the tourists going home and us THE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ,getting our country back .getting out of the e/u which incidently none of us THE TRUE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ever wanted membership of ,we were sold out by treacherous profiteers masquerading as politicians .you draw all the ludicrous comparisons you can imagine inside that pea size brain of yours you want .but i wont sit back and watch my country be sold out down the river any more ,its become a toilet ,a sanctuary for the worlds dregs and a safe haven for terrorists .its losing its identity with major cities resembling third world countries ,whilst tens of thousands of my country man and their families are being forced to rely on foodbanks to feed their families because the tourist is taking all the cream .this treacherous ca-moron is pumping ONE BILLION POUNDS A MONTH INTO SUDAN whos prime minister is wanted for war crimes ( hes creaming of 60 per cent of this And thats just the tip of the iceberg you muppet not to mention the trillions wasted on africa and arming syrian islamic terrorists whilst our health service ( the greatest institution in the world is crumbling because of lack of investment of tax -payers money and caring for all the above at my expense .now let me assure you .ukip is a breath of fresh air to me and millions like me .now crawl back under your rock cos the gravy train is about to run dry .GOD BLESS NIGEL FARAGE THE PEOPLES CHAMPION , and that doesnt include you nor scroungers like you jimmysmith
  • Score: 2

6:29pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

@Ritta Jeffs

your said "im looking forward to the tourists going home and us THE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ,getting our country back .getting out of the e/u which incidently none of us THE TRUE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ever wanted membership of"

Lets just put aside, for a second, that it's a very fascist like comment and try and deal with the rationale. Who are the true British then? How can you tell a true Brit from a not true Brit? Is there a definition in the UKIP hand book of how to spot a non aryan?

Secondly why am I not a True British person. You know absolutely nothing about me except that I disagree with your politics, is that it? Is anyone who disagrees with UKIP not a true British Person?

I think anyone reading this would be fascinated to know the logical behind your answer as so far, all you've done is insult anyone who disagrees with your extremist views.

Having said that, I'm not the least bit surprised when a UKIPer starts frothing at the mouth and insulting people because all you ahve to do is look at the leadership of UKIP, Farrage and Bloom for example.

On the very rare occasions they turn up to the EU parliament to represent the people who voted for them, at great expense to the tax payer, all they do is insult the other MEP's. maybe that is why UKIP appeals to to you, because like your leadership you have no answer when asked a simple question except to hurl insults, as if that is ever going to win you an argument.
@Ritta Jeffs your said "im looking forward to the tourists going home and us THE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ,getting our country back .getting out of the e/u which incidently none of us THE TRUE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ever wanted membership of" Lets just put aside, for a second, that it's a very fascist like comment and try and deal with the rationale. Who are the true British then? How can you tell a true Brit from a not true Brit? Is there a definition in the UKIP hand book of how to spot a non aryan? Secondly why am I not a True British person. You know absolutely nothing about me except that I disagree with your politics, is that it? Is anyone who disagrees with UKIP not a true British Person? I think anyone reading this would be fascinated to know the logical behind your answer as so far, all you've done is insult anyone who disagrees with your extremist views. Having said that, I'm not the least bit surprised when a UKIPer starts frothing at the mouth and insulting people because all you ahve to do is look at the leadership of UKIP, Farrage and Bloom for example. On the very rare occasions they turn up to the EU parliament to represent the people who voted for them, at great expense to the tax payer, all they do is insult the other MEP's. maybe that is why UKIP appeals to to you, because like your leadership you have no answer when asked a simple question except to hurl insults, as if that is ever going to win you an argument. Duke.Wellington
  • Score: -2

6:34pm Sat 16 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
@Ritta Jeffs

your said "im looking forward to the tourists going home and us THE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ,getting our country back .getting out of the e/u which incidently none of us THE TRUE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ever wanted membership of"

Lets just put aside, for a second, that it's a very fascist like comment and try and deal with the rationale. Who are the true British then? How can you tell a true Brit from a not true Brit? Is there a definition in the UKIP hand book of how to spot a non aryan?

Secondly why am I not a True British person. You know absolutely nothing about me except that I disagree with your politics, is that it? Is anyone who disagrees with UKIP not a true British Person?

I think anyone reading this would be fascinated to know the logical behind your answer as so far, all you've done is insult anyone who disagrees with your extremist views.

Having said that, I'm not the least bit surprised when a UKIPer starts frothing at the mouth and insulting people because all you ahve to do is look at the leadership of UKIP, Farrage and Bloom for example.

On the very rare occasions they turn up to the EU parliament to represent the people who voted for them, at great expense to the tax payer, all they do is insult the other MEP's. maybe that is why UKIP appeals to to you, because like your leadership you have no answer when asked a simple question except to hurl insults, as if that is ever going to win you an argument.
get going i wouldnt expect any different from your neck of the woods .vote ukip folks we know it makes sense
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: @Ritta Jeffs your said "im looking forward to the tourists going home and us THE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ,getting our country back .getting out of the e/u which incidently none of us THE TRUE BRITISH PEOPLE and that doesnt include you ever wanted membership of" Lets just put aside, for a second, that it's a very fascist like comment and try and deal with the rationale. Who are the true British then? How can you tell a true Brit from a not true Brit? Is there a definition in the UKIP hand book of how to spot a non aryan? Secondly why am I not a True British person. You know absolutely nothing about me except that I disagree with your politics, is that it? Is anyone who disagrees with UKIP not a true British Person? I think anyone reading this would be fascinated to know the logical behind your answer as so far, all you've done is insult anyone who disagrees with your extremist views. Having said that, I'm not the least bit surprised when a UKIPer starts frothing at the mouth and insulting people because all you ahve to do is look at the leadership of UKIP, Farrage and Bloom for example. On the very rare occasions they turn up to the EU parliament to represent the people who voted for them, at great expense to the tax payer, all they do is insult the other MEP's. maybe that is why UKIP appeals to to you, because like your leadership you have no answer when asked a simple question except to hurl insults, as if that is ever going to win you an argument.[/p][/quote]get going i wouldnt expect any different from your neck of the woods .vote ukip folks we know it makes sense jimmysmith
  • Score: 2

6:36pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

welshmen wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah.

And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values.

Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is.

Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character.
It's Welshmen old fruit, the British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party, made the UK the laughing stock of the world, it's now the center for terrorists and Immigrants alike, (see them in Calais can't get here any quicker to sponge of the UK taxpayer), bankrupted our Country, imported Millions to make sure wages were driven down so you and your ilk could make more money at the expense of hundreds of thousands of British workers, and sadly with thousands who have mortgages and a couple of kids struggling to coup, but you think that's oK, I champion more British values than you stupid face, stop posting crap, come up with something worth reading LIKE FACTS or jog on....
@Welshman,

You said " British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party,"

So what is this British character we've lost then? Care to explain it?

Care to have you at giving us a few facts, or are we going to get more "facts" from UKIP HQ.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah. And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values. Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is. Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character.[/p][/quote]It's Welshmen old fruit, the British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party, made the UK the laughing stock of the world, it's now the center for terrorists and Immigrants alike, (see them in Calais can't get here any quicker to sponge of the UK taxpayer), bankrupted our Country, imported Millions to make sure wages were driven down so you and your ilk could make more money at the expense of hundreds of thousands of British workers, and sadly with thousands who have mortgages and a couple of kids struggling to coup, but you think that's oK, I champion more British values than you stupid face, stop posting crap, come up with something worth reading LIKE FACTS or jog on....[/p][/quote]@Welshman, You said " British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party," So what is this British character we've lost then? Care to explain it? Care to have you at giving us a few facts, or are we going to get more "facts" from UKIP HQ. Duke.Wellington
  • Score: -1

6:39pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

@JimmySmith

So that's it? That's the best you can come up with in answer to a straight forward question "vote UKIP"

I don't think so chum. The thinking part of the British population will not be voting UKIP you can rest assured.
@JimmySmith So that's it? That's the best you can come up with in answer to a straight forward question "vote UKIP" I don't think so chum. The thinking part of the British population will not be voting UKIP you can rest assured. Duke.Wellington
  • Score: -1

6:52pm Sat 16 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
@JimmySmith

So that's it? That's the best you can come up with in answer to a straight forward question "vote UKIP"

I don't think so chum. The thinking part of the British population will not be voting UKIP you can rest assured.
firstly i aint your chum .secondly what was the question .? thirdly who are you ? to question me . as for thinking part hahaha .we are all thinknig now ,thinking collectively weve had a guts full of the likes of you .so rest assured come next year ,yes theres going to be big changes ,vote ukip folks .
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: @JimmySmith So that's it? That's the best you can come up with in answer to a straight forward question "vote UKIP" I don't think so chum. The thinking part of the British population will not be voting UKIP you can rest assured.[/p][/quote]firstly i aint your chum .secondly what was the question .? thirdly who are you ? to question me . as for thinking part hahaha .we are all thinknig now ,thinking collectively weve had a guts full of the likes of you .so rest assured come next year ,yes theres going to be big changes ,vote ukip folks . jimmysmith
  • Score: -1

8:53pm Sat 16 Aug 14

MSG says...

If the EU keeps prodding Russia it may just turn and take the hated EU off the face of the earth ! No more thorn in its side.
Vote UKIP to keep us safe !
If the EU keeps prodding Russia it may just turn and take the hated EU off the face of the earth ! No more thorn in its side. Vote UKIP to keep us safe ! MSG
  • Score: -1

9:23pm Sat 16 Aug 14

messyits says...

THERE ARE NO CREDIBLE CANDIDATES IN UKIP--TOO MANY POLICY CHANGES
THERE ARE NO CREDIBLE CANDIDATES IN UKIP--TOO MANY POLICY CHANGES messyits
  • Score: 0

9:48pm Sat 16 Aug 14

cosmick says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah.

And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values.

Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is.

Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character.
It's Welshmen old fruit, the British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party, made the UK the laughing stock of the world, it's now the center for terrorists and Immigrants alike, (see them in Calais can't get here any quicker to sponge of the UK taxpayer), bankrupted our Country, imported Millions to make sure wages were driven down so you and your ilk could make more money at the expense of hundreds of thousands of British workers, and sadly with thousands who have mortgages and a couple of kids struggling to coup, but you think that's oK, I champion more British values than you stupid face, stop posting crap, come up with something worth reading LIKE FACTS or jog on....
@Welshman,

You said " British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party,"

So what is this British character we've lost then? Care to explain it?

Care to have you at giving us a few facts, or are we going to get more "facts" from UKIP HQ.
Some of the british character we have lost is
1. school prayers/ assembleys.
2. Christmas storys at schools being changed into something called snowflakes. (to suit other faiths)
3. british children being taught muslim ways(but not vice versa)
4.schools with more than 50 yes 50 different toungs.
5.areas like peterbourgh over 100 different toungs.
6.hospitals with staff that dont talk english.
7.my tyaxes being sent back to e/u countrys to support kids never been to england.
8.schools full up.
9.doctors full up.
10. l/a houseing under strain.

The list could go on and on. We only want people here to work with the skills we require.Not car cleaners and big issue sellers.

We do not want LIBLABCON we want UKIP to help the people of this country to have there rights back.
If not i have said it before and i say it again there will be fighting in ENGLAND in the next 10 years.

Maybe also you have not noticed that countrys that used to have workers comming here now dont because of the E/U.
UKIP will be playing a major roll in this country by the end of May 2015. My aim is to help them get there, with many others.
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah. And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values. Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is. Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character.[/p][/quote]It's Welshmen old fruit, the British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party, made the UK the laughing stock of the world, it's now the center for terrorists and Immigrants alike, (see them in Calais can't get here any quicker to sponge of the UK taxpayer), bankrupted our Country, imported Millions to make sure wages were driven down so you and your ilk could make more money at the expense of hundreds of thousands of British workers, and sadly with thousands who have mortgages and a couple of kids struggling to coup, but you think that's oK, I champion more British values than you stupid face, stop posting crap, come up with something worth reading LIKE FACTS or jog on....[/p][/quote]@Welshman, You said " British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party," So what is this British character we've lost then? Care to explain it? Care to have you at giving us a few facts, or are we going to get more "facts" from UKIP HQ.[/p][/quote]Some of the british character we have lost is 1. school prayers/ assembleys. 2. Christmas storys at schools being changed into something called snowflakes. (to suit other faiths) 3. british children being taught muslim ways(but not vice versa) 4.schools with more than 50 yes 50 different toungs. 5.areas like peterbourgh over 100 different toungs. 6.hospitals with staff that dont talk english. 7.my tyaxes being sent back to e/u countrys to support kids never been to england. 8.schools full up. 9.doctors full up. 10. l/a houseing under strain. The list could go on and on. We only want people here to work with the skills we require.Not car cleaners and big issue sellers. We do not want LIBLABCON we want UKIP to help the people of this country to have there rights back. If not i have said it before and i say it again there will be fighting in ENGLAND in the next 10 years. Maybe also you have not noticed that countrys that used to have workers comming here now dont because of the E/U. UKIP will be playing a major roll in this country by the end of May 2015. My aim is to help them get there, with many others. cosmick
  • Score: 3

9:51pm Sat 16 Aug 14

cosmick says...

cosmick wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Duke.Wellington wrote:
Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah.

And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values.

Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is.

Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character.
It's Welshmen old fruit, the British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party, made the UK the laughing stock of the world, it's now the center for terrorists and Immigrants alike, (see them in Calais can't get here any quicker to sponge of the UK taxpayer), bankrupted our Country, imported Millions to make sure wages were driven down so you and your ilk could make more money at the expense of hundreds of thousands of British workers, and sadly with thousands who have mortgages and a couple of kids struggling to coup, but you think that's oK, I champion more British values than you stupid face, stop posting crap, come up with something worth reading LIKE FACTS or jog on....
@Welshman,

You said " British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party,"

So what is this British character we've lost then? Care to explain it?

Care to have you at giving us a few facts, or are we going to get more "facts" from UKIP HQ.
Some of the british character we have lost is
1. school prayers/ assembleys.
2. Christmas storys at schools being changed into something called snowflakes. (to suit other faiths)
3. british children being taught muslim ways(but not vice versa)
4.schools with more than 50 yes 50 different toungs.
5.areas like peterbourgh over 100 different toungs.
6.hospitals with staff that dont talk english.
7.my tyaxes being sent back to e/u countrys to support kids never been to england.
8.schools full up.
9.doctors full up.
10. l/a houseing under strain.

The list could go on and on. We only want people here to work with the skills we require.Not car cleaners and big issue sellers.

We do not want LIBLABCON we want UKIP to help the people of this country to have there rights back.
If not i have said it before and i say it again there will be fighting in ENGLAND in the next 10 years.

Maybe also you have not noticed that countrys that used to have workers comming here now dont because of the E/U.
UKIP will be playing a major roll in this country by the end of May 2015. My aim is to help them get there, with many others.
Good to see some sence being written.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: Well Welsman, i think you've proven jimmysmiths point that if UKIP get their way we will become a pariah. And i think you've rather proven my point also that ukip voters are the kind of people in British society who deal with anyone they don't likelike by insulting them, denying any facts that they don't like and approach their cause as some sort of crusade claiming they are the champions of British values. Well Welshman you do not champion British values, your ideas are the worst kind of diatribe that makes Britain a laughing stock. I don't that you when understand what Britishness is. Than god ukip supporters are nothing more than a noisy tiny minority. Because that is exactly what they are, tiny and insignificant. But worst of all a stain on the British character.[/p][/quote]It's Welshmen old fruit, the British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party, made the UK the laughing stock of the world, it's now the center for terrorists and Immigrants alike, (see them in Calais can't get here any quicker to sponge of the UK taxpayer), bankrupted our Country, imported Millions to make sure wages were driven down so you and your ilk could make more money at the expense of hundreds of thousands of British workers, and sadly with thousands who have mortgages and a couple of kids struggling to coup, but you think that's oK, I champion more British values than you stupid face, stop posting crap, come up with something worth reading LIKE FACTS or jog on....[/p][/quote]@Welshman, You said " British have lost their character through the idiotic policies of your stupid party," So what is this British character we've lost then? Care to explain it? Care to have you at giving us a few facts, or are we going to get more "facts" from UKIP HQ.[/p][/quote]Some of the british character we have lost is 1. school prayers/ assembleys. 2. Christmas storys at schools being changed into something called snowflakes. (to suit other faiths) 3. british children being taught muslim ways(but not vice versa) 4.schools with more than 50 yes 50 different toungs. 5.areas like peterbourgh over 100 different toungs. 6.hospitals with staff that dont talk english. 7.my tyaxes being sent back to e/u countrys to support kids never been to england. 8.schools full up. 9.doctors full up. 10. l/a houseing under strain. The list could go on and on. We only want people here to work with the skills we require.Not car cleaners and big issue sellers. We do not want LIBLABCON we want UKIP to help the people of this country to have there rights back. If not i have said it before and i say it again there will be fighting in ENGLAND in the next 10 years. Maybe also you have not noticed that countrys that used to have workers comming here now dont because of the E/U. UKIP will be playing a major roll in this country by the end of May 2015. My aim is to help them get there, with many others.[/p][/quote]Good to see some sence being written. cosmick
  • Score: 1

9:58pm Sat 16 Aug 14

cosmick says...

If you think UKIP are RACIST, then put your facts on here.
Ukip has members from a vast range of the British public.
If you think UKIP are RACIST, then put your facts on here. Ukip has members from a vast range of the British public. cosmick
  • Score: 1

11:53pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

messyits wrote:
UKIP and Farage have double standards--should be a rich party-but they advocate out of the EU--nonsense.
Why do you bash the man who's standing up for your freedom & democracy that your forefathers fought two world wars & a cold war to defend?
Please watch this video
Nigel Farage of UKIP Confronts the EU Commissioners >
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=bJHETdxwv
8Y
[quote][p][bold]messyits[/bold] wrote: UKIP and Farage have double standards--should be a rich party-but they advocate out of the EU--nonsense.[/p][/quote]Why do you bash the man who's standing up for your freedom & democracy that your forefathers fought two world wars & a cold war to defend? Please watch this video Nigel Farage of UKIP Confronts the EU Commissioners > http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=bJHETdxwv 8Y Pobinr
  • Score: -2

11:58pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Open borders, lax immigration policy in general & EU membership are OK if you like the following brought you courtesy of 50 years of FibDemLabCon;
* Mass unemployment , austerity & democracy lost to ECB loan sharks in Med countries
* More & more control of our country given away to the emerging EU dictatorship
* Low population density E.European countries being further depopulated
* Cheap imported labour that drives wages down & take jobs from locals
* Classes full of kids that need special lessons in speaking basic English
* Being told it's just Daily Mail fiction when we see it with our own eyes
* Higher crime per capita commited by the immigrant population
* 28,000 or is it 5,000 Romanians I don't care, held for crimes
* Higher house prices & rents due to increased demand
* More crowded surgeries & longer NHS queues
* More risk of power cuts due to more demand
* More dependance on food & energy imports
* Worst housing shortage since WWII
* More & more houses on greenbelt
* More & more road congestion
* Child grooming gangs
* People traffickers
* More red tape
* More pollution
* More crowds
* More queues
* FGM
Why would anyone in their right mind want these things?

The Swiss who live in the only remaining democracy in Europe recently voted to take back control of their borders.
So now they can refuse entry to;
* Rapists
* Terrorists
* Murderers
* FGM freaks
* Paedophiles
* Drug dealers
* ATM criminals
* Bogus students
* Child traffickers
* People traffickers
* Child grooming gangs
* People that don't speak their language
* People that want to adopt an alien culture
* People that want or have to wear burkhas
* People with no money & people with no skill or job.

How the EU is destroying democracy in Europe >
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=bJHETdxw
v8Y

Vote UKIP
Open borders, lax immigration policy in general & EU membership are OK if you like the following brought you courtesy of 50 years of FibDemLabCon; * Mass unemployment , austerity & democracy lost to ECB loan sharks in Med countries * More & more control of our country given away to the emerging EU dictatorship * Low population density E.European countries being further depopulated * Cheap imported labour that drives wages down & take jobs from locals * Classes full of kids that need special lessons in speaking basic English * Being told it's just Daily Mail fiction when we see it with our own eyes * Higher crime per capita commited by the immigrant population * 28,000 or is it 5,000 Romanians I don't care, held for crimes * Higher house prices & rents due to increased demand * More crowded surgeries & longer NHS queues * More risk of power cuts due to more demand * More dependance on food & energy imports * Worst housing shortage since WWII * More & more houses on greenbelt * More & more road congestion * Child grooming gangs * People traffickers * More red tape * More pollution * More crowds * More queues * FGM Why would anyone in their right mind want these things? The Swiss who live in the only remaining democracy in Europe recently voted to take back control of their borders. So now they can refuse entry to; * Rapists * Terrorists * Murderers * FGM freaks * Paedophiles * Drug dealers * ATM criminals * Bogus students * Child traffickers * People traffickers * Child grooming gangs * People that don't speak their language * People that want to adopt an alien culture * People that want or have to wear burkhas * People with no money & people with no skill or job. How the EU is destroying democracy in Europe > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=bJHETdxw v8Y Vote UKIP Pobinr
  • Score: 2

7:14am Sun 17 Aug 14

Rita Jelfs says...

cosmick wrote:
If you think UKIP are RACIST, then put your facts on here.
Ukip has members from a vast range of the British public.
Analyse the UKIP policy platform. Its racist, xenophobic, and far too nationalistic. UK relies on exporting goods. Yet UKIP hates foreigners. So how will UKIP deal with foreign governments? The cause of many of the economic problems in UK today are the banking GFC, and lack of government money for essential services due to them having to bail the banks out. Direct your anger to the right places. No younger migrants to pay taxes in the future - no older age pensions. Many of the comments above indicate UKIP supporters are ignorant of the real reasons for UK's economic situation, and some, because they're on the bottom rungs of the ladder and want someone else to kick.
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: If you think UKIP are RACIST, then put your facts on here. Ukip has members from a vast range of the British public.[/p][/quote]Analyse the UKIP policy platform. Its racist, xenophobic, and far too nationalistic. UK relies on exporting goods. Yet UKIP hates foreigners. So how will UKIP deal with foreign governments? The cause of many of the economic problems in UK today are the banking GFC, and lack of government money for essential services due to them having to bail the banks out. Direct your anger to the right places. No younger migrants to pay taxes in the future - no older age pensions. Many of the comments above indicate UKIP supporters are ignorant of the real reasons for UK's economic situation, and some, because they're on the bottom rungs of the ladder and want someone else to kick. Rita Jelfs
  • Score: -2

7:33am Sun 17 Aug 14

Rita Jelfs says...

The latest review of the UKIP policy indicate that they don't believe in equality of education but wish to go back to elitist grammar schools. UKIP will bring in a flat income tax. Flat tax is 'regressive' because it falls on lower paid workers unfairly. UKIP admit there will be less taxpayers money to support essential government services, so services will get worse not better. Poorly thought out policies that will not improve life for the ordinary UK citizen. On energy policy they're climate change deniers, who support an increase of nuclear power stations. They're backward thinking. Are these British values?
The latest review of the UKIP policy indicate that they don't believe in equality of education but wish to go back to elitist grammar schools. UKIP will bring in a flat income tax. Flat tax is 'regressive' because it falls on lower paid workers unfairly. UKIP admit there will be less taxpayers money to support essential government services, so services will get worse not better. Poorly thought out policies that will not improve life for the ordinary UK citizen. On energy policy they're climate change deniers, who support an increase of nuclear power stations. They're backward thinking. Are these British values? Rita Jelfs
  • Score: -3

9:40am Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

According to Clegg - being politically married to & having open borders with this depressed dead duck experimental EU currency zone means we protect our jobs!
ha ha ha ha ha
No we just get a load of people from poor countries in Eastern Europe desperate for £6 per hour jobs in Costa plus working family tax credits, child benefit, NHS, subsidised housing, free translators in schools, subsidised nursery care all paid for by us.
VOTE UKIP on principle
According to Clegg - being politically married to & having open borders with this depressed dead duck experimental EU currency zone means we protect our jobs! ha ha ha ha ha No we just get a load of people from poor countries in Eastern Europe desperate for £6 per hour jobs in Costa plus working family tax credits, child benefit, NHS, subsidised housing, free translators in schools, subsidised nursery care all paid for by us. VOTE UKIP on principle Pobinr
  • Score: 2

9:42am Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Mass immigration has had the worst effect on the ratio of housing stock to population since the Blitz!
Vote UKIP
Mass immigration has had the worst effect on the ratio of housing stock to population since the Blitz! Vote UKIP Pobinr
  • Score: 2

10:09am Sun 17 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

@welshman

An interesting list but not a single one of them on it makes us unique. Any country could argue the same case, especial in Europe.

You are right to be concerned about low wages, unemployment, the running down of the NHS, social services suffering, pensions being stolen, etc. But these things have very little to do with the EU. It is our poor government that is responsible for the management of this countries affairs, blaming it on the EU is a cop out that politicians use to cover up their incompetence.

You can go right back to 1979 when Thatcher came to power and began systematically dismantling our manufacturing industry to see where the rot started.

Let me ask you a question:

The greatest economist this country has ever seen, Maynard Keynes, said early in the 20th century, said this, an average working man works 40 hours per week, we continue to make scientific advances and industrial improvements that make us more and more efficient as the decades go by. He then calculated and predicted that by the year 2000 the average working person would only need to work 15 hours per week.

He was right about the advancements, they have happened, we have become massively more efficient and producing the things we need. We now have enough material goods and wealth in this country to achieve his prediction. There is no shortage of money or material goods, all leading economist now, agree this.

So here is my question, if we have achieved, the inefficiencies, and we have the money, why are ordinary people still working 40 hours per week, why are there so many unemployed, why don't we have enough nurses, police firemen etc. Who has all the money?

Do you see what is happening here? If the public are distracted by blaming their condition on foreigners and other entities, it takes the spotlight away from the real problem. This isn't anything new, this has been going on long before people started blaming the EU.


The top 1% of this country now own more than 30% of our total wealth. Decade after decade the gap in earnings between the bottom 10% of this country and the top 10% has got wider and wider. The gap has never been as large as it is right now.

If we came out of the EU tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing, because the system we have is owned by us, and only us, and it is designed to draw the wealth to the top and leave the people who earn it with just enough to stop us rioting.

The problem is not the EU my friend it is the massive amount unpaid tax by big corporations and wealthy individuals. The HMRC cannot get the hands on that tax which is starving our economy and it is the reason why you and I pay so much in tax and get so little back for it. each successive government is too scared to take on the real villains in this story and that is the wealthy.
@welshman An interesting list but not a single one of them on it makes us unique. Any country could argue the same case, especial in Europe. You are right to be concerned about low wages, unemployment, the running down of the NHS, social services suffering, pensions being stolen, etc. But these things have very little to do with the EU. It is our poor government that is responsible for the management of this countries affairs, blaming it on the EU is a cop out that politicians use to cover up their incompetence. You can go right back to 1979 when Thatcher came to power and began systematically dismantling our manufacturing industry to see where the rot started. Let me ask you a question: The greatest economist this country has ever seen, Maynard Keynes, said early in the 20th century, said this, an average working man works 40 hours per week, we continue to make scientific advances and industrial improvements that make us more and more efficient as the decades go by. He then calculated and predicted that by the year 2000 the average working person would only need to work 15 hours per week. He was right about the advancements, they have happened, we have become massively more efficient and producing the things we need. We now have enough material goods and wealth in this country to achieve his prediction. There is no shortage of money or material goods, all leading economist now, agree this. So here is my question, if we have achieved, the inefficiencies, and we have the money, why are ordinary people still working 40 hours per week, why are there so many unemployed, why don't we have enough nurses, police firemen etc. Who has all the money? Do you see what is happening here? If the public are distracted by blaming their condition on foreigners and other entities, it takes the spotlight away from the real problem. This isn't anything new, this has been going on long before people started blaming the EU. The top 1% of this country now own more than 30% of our total wealth. Decade after decade the gap in earnings between the bottom 10% of this country and the top 10% has got wider and wider. The gap has never been as large as it is right now. If we came out of the EU tomorrow, it wouldn't change a thing, because the system we have is owned by us, and only us, and it is designed to draw the wealth to the top and leave the people who earn it with just enough to stop us rioting. The problem is not the EU my friend it is the massive amount unpaid tax by big corporations and wealthy individuals. The HMRC cannot get the hands on that tax which is starving our economy and it is the reason why you and I pay so much in tax and get so little back for it. each successive government is too scared to take on the real villains in this story and that is the wealthy. Duke.Wellington
  • Score: 1

10:15am Sun 17 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
The latest review of the UKIP policy indicate that they don't believe in equality of education but wish to go back to elitist grammar schools. UKIP will bring in a flat income tax. Flat tax is 'regressive' because it falls on lower paid workers unfairly. UKIP admit there will be less taxpayers money to support essential government services, so services will get worse not better. Poorly thought out policies that will not improve life for the ordinary UK citizen. On energy policy they're climate change deniers, who support an increase of nuclear power stations. They're backward thinking. Are these British values?
shut up you idiot ,cant you see youve been rumbled .get your bags packed ready .vote ukip folks lets get our once great country back .its fast becoming a sewer .only nigel farage and ukip can save us now
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: The latest review of the UKIP policy indicate that they don't believe in equality of education but wish to go back to elitist grammar schools. UKIP will bring in a flat income tax. Flat tax is 'regressive' because it falls on lower paid workers unfairly. UKIP admit there will be less taxpayers money to support essential government services, so services will get worse not better. Poorly thought out policies that will not improve life for the ordinary UK citizen. On energy policy they're climate change deniers, who support an increase of nuclear power stations. They're backward thinking. Are these British values?[/p][/quote]shut up you idiot ,cant you see youve been rumbled .get your bags packed ready .vote ukip folks lets get our once great country back .its fast becoming a sewer .only nigel farage and ukip can save us now jimmysmith
  • Score: 1

10:32am Sun 17 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
The latest review of the UKIP policy indicate that they don't believe in equality of education but wish to go back to elitist grammar schools. UKIP will bring in a flat income tax. Flat tax is 'regressive' because it falls on lower paid workers unfairly. UKIP admit there will be less taxpayers money to support essential government services, so services will get worse not better. Poorly thought out policies that will not improve life for the ordinary UK citizen. On energy policy they're climate change deniers, who support an increase of nuclear power stations. They're backward thinking. Are these British values?
@Rita. I agree
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: The latest review of the UKIP policy indicate that they don't believe in equality of education but wish to go back to elitist grammar schools. UKIP will bring in a flat income tax. Flat tax is 'regressive' because it falls on lower paid workers unfairly. UKIP admit there will be less taxpayers money to support essential government services, so services will get worse not better. Poorly thought out policies that will not improve life for the ordinary UK citizen. On energy policy they're climate change deniers, who support an increase of nuclear power stations. They're backward thinking. Are these British values?[/p][/quote]@Rita. I agree Duke.Wellington
  • Score: 0

10:39am Sun 17 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
cosmick wrote:
If you think UKIP are RACIST, then put your facts on here.
Ukip has members from a vast range of the British public.
Analyse the UKIP policy platform. Its racist, xenophobic, and far too nationalistic. UK relies on exporting goods. Yet UKIP hates foreigners. So how will UKIP deal with foreign governments? The cause of many of the economic problems in UK today are the banking GFC, and lack of government money for essential services due to them having to bail the banks out. Direct your anger to the right places. No younger migrants to pay taxes in the future - no older age pensions. Many of the comments above indicate UKIP supporters are ignorant of the real reasons for UK's economic situation, and some, because they're on the bottom rungs of the ladder and want someone else to kick.
theres no foreigners left ,they are your nieghbours now ,they are all blocking up the local A and E .they are 10 in front of your child in need of life saving surgery ,they are getting preferential treatment in job applications. they are getting 3k grants for cars (each that is mind you ) because they state they are being racially abused on foot and public transport so cannot go about their daily lives or job search. ( go to any car auctions and witness for yourself ask the auctioneer some of them are in credit for thousands in their illicit second hand car buying and selling business and illegal taxi ) .the lack of government is because its all swallowed up in payments to the E/U and gifted in foreign aid payments to corrupt governments and foreign corporation whilst a million british families rely on food banks and nearly 10 thousand ex service men and women many suffering PTSD and disabilities are living rough on the streets whilst islamic clerics preaching hatred on our streets are living in tax payers funded state of the art houses and receiving thousands in benefits from this and previous treacherous governments and this is onlt the tip of the ice berg . dont you come on here spouting your c r a p and trying to ridicule me because i resent this you ignoramus your self .your probably some snot nosed brat just out of high school and aint done a days work in your life .as for foreign governments ,who do we deal with these days ? il tell you ,none thats who ,we dont deal no more ,we are lackies to all the world now nothing more than skivvies .you run along and play now and keep applying for an audience seat on question time youd fit in nicely there
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: If you think UKIP are RACIST, then put your facts on here. Ukip has members from a vast range of the British public.[/p][/quote]Analyse the UKIP policy platform. Its racist, xenophobic, and far too nationalistic. UK relies on exporting goods. Yet UKIP hates foreigners. So how will UKIP deal with foreign governments? The cause of many of the economic problems in UK today are the banking GFC, and lack of government money for essential services due to them having to bail the banks out. Direct your anger to the right places. No younger migrants to pay taxes in the future - no older age pensions. Many of the comments above indicate UKIP supporters are ignorant of the real reasons for UK's economic situation, and some, because they're on the bottom rungs of the ladder and want someone else to kick.[/p][/quote]theres no foreigners left ,they are your nieghbours now ,they are all blocking up the local A and E .they are 10 in front of your child in need of life saving surgery ,they are getting preferential treatment in job applications. they are getting 3k grants for cars (each that is mind you ) because they state they are being racially abused on foot and public transport so cannot go about their daily lives or job search. ( go to any car auctions and witness for yourself ask the auctioneer some of them are in credit for thousands in their illicit second hand car buying and selling business and illegal taxi ) .the lack of government is because its all swallowed up in payments to the E/U and gifted in foreign aid payments to corrupt governments and foreign corporation whilst a million british families rely on food banks and nearly 10 thousand ex service men and women many suffering PTSD and disabilities are living rough on the streets whilst islamic clerics preaching hatred on our streets are living in tax payers funded state of the art houses and receiving thousands in benefits from this and previous treacherous governments and this is onlt the tip of the ice berg . dont you come on here spouting your c r a p and trying to ridicule me because i resent this you ignoramus your self .your probably some snot nosed brat just out of high school and aint done a days work in your life .as for foreign governments ,who do we deal with these days ? il tell you ,none thats who ,we dont deal no more ,we are lackies to all the world now nothing more than skivvies .you run along and play now and keep applying for an audience seat on question time youd fit in nicely there jimmysmith
  • Score: 1

11:19am Sun 17 Aug 14

Counterview says...

There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around.
There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around. Counterview
  • Score: -1

12:23pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

@counterview

Your argument is irrelevant as we cannot control the past only the present and the future.

The reoccurring them with UKIP supporters is that they are scared and rightly so, they are worries about the things they observe, low wages, unemployment, run down public services.

It is these things that they, and the rest of us, worry about and that UKIP take advantage of. They augment this fear about what is going wrong and they correctly cite the incompetence of our government to deal with it.

However, being part of the problem themselves they cannot deal with it either so they use an age old tactic to draw attention to their cause by blaming someone else for the cause of the problems we see, that is they blame the EU. This is nothing new, Hitler did it with the Jews.

Most members of the public do not the real reasons for our problem and its much easier to believe the UKIP diatribe , so they believe it. It doesn't matter if UKIP are not telling the truth the point is the other parties dare not tell you the truth either and UKIP's message is much easier to understand and has a much easier solution, that is, get out of the EU and all our problems are solved.

Now here is the interesting bit, UKIP leadership know they will never win an election but that doesn't matter because all they want is a career in politics, soaking up the expenses and salaries at the expense fo the tax payer.

Just look at their record on public service. UKIP MEP's are the laziest of all MEP's, They rarely turn up to parliamentary sessions. Farrage himself has only ever turned up to 1 session to vote on Britain's fishing rights. He and his kind don't give a **** about the people that voted them into place as they don't lift a finger to support Britain when they have an opportunity.

UKIP are just another bunch of career politicians who are living off the public. They will never talk about the biggest issues we have in our country because they know they have no answer for it.
@counterview Your argument is irrelevant as we cannot control the past only the present and the future. The reoccurring them with UKIP supporters is that they are scared and rightly so, they are worries about the things they observe, low wages, unemployment, run down public services. It is these things that they, and the rest of us, worry about and that UKIP take advantage of. They augment this fear about what is going wrong and they correctly cite the incompetence of our government to deal with it. However, being part of the problem themselves they cannot deal with it either so they use an age old tactic to draw attention to their cause by blaming someone else for the cause of the problems we see, that is they blame the EU. This is nothing new, Hitler did it with the Jews. Most members of the public do not the real reasons for our problem and its much easier to believe the UKIP diatribe , so they believe it. It doesn't matter if UKIP are not telling the truth the point is the other parties dare not tell you the truth either and UKIP's message is much easier to understand and has a much easier solution, that is, get out of the EU and all our problems are solved. Now here is the interesting bit, UKIP leadership know they will never win an election but that doesn't matter because all they want is a career in politics, soaking up the expenses and salaries at the expense fo the tax payer. Just look at their record on public service. UKIP MEP's are the laziest of all MEP's, They rarely turn up to parliamentary sessions. Farrage himself has only ever turned up to 1 session to vote on Britain's fishing rights. He and his kind don't give a **** about the people that voted them into place as they don't lift a finger to support Britain when they have an opportunity. UKIP are just another bunch of career politicians who are living off the public. They will never talk about the biggest issues we have in our country because they know they have no answer for it. Duke.Wellington
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

The British people voted in 1975 for what was sold to them in distorted & biased form with two leaflets in favour & one against, as a 'Common Market'.

We were supposed to be voting for a Common Market, NOT for a federal, Marxist Euro Superstate under German control. Where we become a mere borderless state in the unelected EU commissioner's empire getting flooded with immigrants driving wages down making slumlords & employers who pay low wages richer whilst adding to the housing shortage, road congestion, NHS queues etc

In a television broadcast to mark Britain’s entry in January 1973, Prime Minister Edward Heath said:
“There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified”.

This was treachery & betrayal that continues to this day.

Who benefits from cheap imported labour?
Slumlords & low wage payers.
So how can people call UKIP 'right wing' when they are opposed to this ?

EU = Corporatist's dream brought to you courtesy of the left.

More & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people of Europe without their consent.

How the EU is dismantling democracy in Europe;

The unelected crooks & recycled Communists running the EU
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=YWSYMpuCF
aQ

Remote control by the EU
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=TtQt2IjeL
Vc

EU new Soviet Union ?
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=92Vjc_PeY
tc

The EU is the New Communism. It is Power without Limits
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=3RjUJy7k
DOM

We're now run by Big Banks,Big Business &Big Bureaucrats
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=750uBYcab
KI

Nigel Farage of UKIP Confronts the EU Commissioners
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=bJHETdxwv
8Y

If you value your country, freedom & democracy then
VOTE UKIP
The British people voted in 1975 for what was sold to them in distorted & biased form with two leaflets in favour & one against, as a 'Common Market'. We were supposed to be voting for a Common Market, NOT for a federal, Marxist Euro Superstate under German control. Where we become a mere borderless state in the unelected EU commissioner's empire getting flooded with immigrants driving wages down making slumlords & employers who pay low wages richer whilst adding to the housing shortage, road congestion, NHS queues etc In a television broadcast to mark Britain’s entry in January 1973, Prime Minister Edward Heath said: “There are some in this country who fear that in going into Europe we shall in some way sacrifice independence and sovereignty. These fears, I need hardly say, are completely unjustified”. This was treachery & betrayal that continues to this day. Who benefits from cheap imported labour? Slumlords & low wage payers. So how can people call UKIP 'right wing' when they are opposed to this ? EU = Corporatist's dream brought to you courtesy of the left. More & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people of Europe without their consent. How the EU is dismantling democracy in Europe; The unelected crooks & recycled Communists running the EU http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=YWSYMpuCF aQ Remote control by the EU http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=TtQt2IjeL Vc EU new Soviet Union ? http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=92Vjc_PeY tc The EU is the New Communism. It is Power without Limits https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=3RjUJy7k DOM We're now run by Big Banks,Big Business &Big Bureaucrats http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=750uBYcab KI Nigel Farage of UKIP Confronts the EU Commissioners http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=bJHETdxwv 8Y If you value your country, freedom & democracy then VOTE UKIP Pobinr
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Sun 17 Aug 14

cosmick says...

Care to have a bet who will be WEYMOUTHS next MP.
Care to have a bet who will be WEYMOUTHS next MP. cosmick
  • Score: 2

2:23pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Counterview says...

cosmick wrote:
Care to have a bet who will be WEYMOUTHS next MP.
Duke of Wellington. I'm a bit surprised you were the only one to have replied to a question - not an argument - aimed specifically at UKIP. Your first sentence could have been from UKIP themselves. However, I'm afraid you are wrong about the question being irrelevant. Gibraltar is one existing example of our past forays. Should we leave the EU, what will Farage do if (or almost certainly when) Spain veto any trade deals until the Gibraltar issue is settled? There will not be a single EU country that would not support Spain. You are perfectly at liberty to respond, but I'd be more be more interested in UKIP's views on this and my previous question
[quote][p][bold]cosmick[/bold] wrote: Care to have a bet who will be WEYMOUTHS next MP.[/p][/quote]Duke of Wellington. I'm a bit surprised you were the only one to have replied to a question - not an argument - aimed specifically at UKIP. Your first sentence could have been from UKIP themselves. However, I'm afraid you are wrong about the question being irrelevant. Gibraltar is one existing example of our past forays. Should we leave the EU, what will Farage do if (or almost certainly when) Spain veto any trade deals until the Gibraltar issue is settled? There will not be a single EU country that would not support Spain. You are perfectly at liberty to respond, but I'd be more be more interested in UKIP's views on this and my previous question Counterview
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Mass immigration has had the worst effect on the ratio of housing stock to population since the Blitz!
Vote UKIP
Mass immigration has had the worst effect on the ratio of housing stock to population since the Blitz! Vote UKIP Pobinr
  • Score: 2

4:23pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

According to Clegg - being politically married to & having open borders with this depressed dead duck experimental EU currency zone means we protect our jobs!
ha ha ha ha ha
No we just get a load of people from poor countries in Eastern Europe desperate for £6 per hour jobs in Costa plus they get working family tax credits, child benefit, NHS, subsidised housing, free translators in schools, subsidised nursery care all paid for by us.
VOTE UKIP on principle
According to Clegg - being politically married to & having open borders with this depressed dead duck experimental EU currency zone means we protect our jobs! ha ha ha ha ha No we just get a load of people from poor countries in Eastern Europe desperate for £6 per hour jobs in Costa plus they get working family tax credits, child benefit, NHS, subsidised housing, free translators in schools, subsidised nursery care all paid for by us. VOTE UKIP on principle Pobinr
  • Score: 3

5:02pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

Pobinr wrote:
Mass immigration has had the worst effect on the ratio of housing stock to population since the Blitz!
Vote UKIP
@pobinr, that is complete tosh I'm afraid, the effect of immigration has had almost nothing at all to do with the housing crisis. This is yet another UKIP lie.

Remember UKIP are a den of liars and con men.

The reason why there is a housing crisis is mainly 2 fold. In London and surrounding areas wealthy foreigners have bought up large amounts of property as an investment and in so doing have hiked the house prices making it impossible for low paid people and young people to get on the property ladder. This in turn puts a massive strain on social house demands.

The second and very significant reason, is that the stock of social housing has declined massively over the past 3 decades. Why? The direct cause was Thatcher's right to buy social housing at a knock down prices. This caused local councils to lose their stock of social housing and our governments have done nothing to replace them.

In conclusion house prices have risen due to greedy uncontrolled investors creating a need for cheap social housing but the stock of social housing has decreased. It has nothing what-so-ever to do with the number of immigrants.

More UKIP lies, Voting UKIP is a vote for poverty, social deprivation and making Britain an international pariah.
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Mass immigration has had the worst effect on the ratio of housing stock to population since the Blitz! Vote UKIP[/p][/quote]@pobinr, that is complete tosh I'm afraid, the effect of immigration has had almost nothing at all to do with the housing crisis. This is yet another UKIP lie. Remember UKIP are a den of liars and con men. The reason why there is a housing crisis is mainly 2 fold. In London and surrounding areas wealthy foreigners have bought up large amounts of property as an investment and in so doing have hiked the house prices making it impossible for low paid people and young people to get on the property ladder. This in turn puts a massive strain on social house demands. The second and very significant reason, is that the stock of social housing has declined massively over the past 3 decades. Why? The direct cause was Thatcher's right to buy social housing at a knock down prices. This caused local councils to lose their stock of social housing and our governments have done nothing to replace them. In conclusion house prices have risen due to greedy uncontrolled investors creating a need for cheap social housing but the stock of social housing has decreased. It has nothing what-so-ever to do with the number of immigrants. More UKIP lies, Voting UKIP is a vote for poverty, social deprivation and making Britain an international pariah. Duke.Wellington
  • Score: -3

5:26pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Counterview says...

Pobinr wrote:
According to Clegg - being politically married to & having open borders with this depressed dead duck experimental EU currency zone means we protect our jobs!
ha ha ha ha ha
No we just get a load of people from poor countries in Eastern Europe desperate for £6 per hour jobs in Costa plus they get working family tax credits, child benefit, NHS, subsidised housing, free translators in schools, subsidised nursery care all paid for by us.
VOTE UKIP on principle
And what, pray, is wrong with Jobs in Costs Coffee? In case you were unaware, Costa Coffee is a Britsh company. It is expanding at a vast rate of knots. Maybe you start on the minimum wage. If you're any good you certainly won't stay there. There should be no sense of entitlement in the workplace of this or any other country. Start at the bottom and work your way up - it's not always the case but that's how it should be.
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: According to Clegg - being politically married to & having open borders with this depressed dead duck experimental EU currency zone means we protect our jobs! ha ha ha ha ha No we just get a load of people from poor countries in Eastern Europe desperate for £6 per hour jobs in Costa plus they get working family tax credits, child benefit, NHS, subsidised housing, free translators in schools, subsidised nursery care all paid for by us. VOTE UKIP on principle[/p][/quote]And what, pray, is wrong with Jobs in Costs Coffee? In case you were unaware, Costa Coffee is a Britsh company. It is expanding at a vast rate of knots. Maybe you start on the minimum wage. If you're any good you certainly won't stay there. There should be no sense of entitlement in the workplace of this or any other country. Start at the bottom and work your way up - it's not always the case but that's how it should be. Counterview
  • Score: -5

7:39pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Shropshirelad says...

With the next election, will come an opportunity for ordinary men and women to get in their choice of vote, the person, party and values that up until then has not existed in any of our other parties. We voted in Labour, they crippled the country economically and then denied it. We next voted in the Tories/Lib Dem coalition, and what did we get with them, just about everything that few people wanted, Clegg is bad enough, but to have him alongside Cameron was fraught with disaster from the outset. As a strong former Tory (I STRESS "FORMER") I now wouldn't vote for them at any cost, Cameron's policy in the Middle East,
his confrontational approach to the Police, the teachers and just about every other public service in the country, not least the Armed Forces, lost him a lot of previous good friends and that is the prime example of what a total and utter clown this man is. He must surely rank as the most deceitful, hypocritical and unprincipled man we have ever had as a Prime Minister. I would like to think that he is done for, the next time around. Now, having had the " big three" who, between them have reduced this country to the sorry state it is in today, what have we got left, we have the Greens, a principled party, honest and radical but with a questionable taxation attitude that put's most people off and then we have UKIP. Each will have his/her own opinions of this party and Nigel Farage but I say this, the electorate have been treated like idiots under a welter of continual insult from the three main parties, our opinions/views have been utterly disregarded and count for nothing with Cameron being the arch offender here but with Farage, he speaks it as it is. His views and opinions and his policies are those of the common man, and, even if some of them are not, UKIP and Farage cannot possibly do any worse than the LIB/LAB/CONs. Yes, they will make mistakes as they find their way - as all the others did, yes, there will be a few idiots in their make-up, just as there are many in the other parties but I repeat, the defining issue for me when it comes to choice is, we have seen enough of the others to last us a lifetime, now give UKIP a chance, they certainly can do no worse than the others and I believe that they can lift the odour of shame and disgrace from our country and give us back a spring in our step, some pride in our country and some respect from those Europeans who snigger up their sleeves when either Cameron, Miliband, Clegg or the UK itself is mentioned in the EU. Vote for UKIP or forever kick yourself that you have handed the place over to those who brought us down in the first place.
With the next election, will come an opportunity for ordinary men and women to get in their choice of vote, the person, party and values that up until then has not existed in any of our other parties. We voted in Labour, they crippled the country economically and then denied it. We next voted in the Tories/Lib Dem coalition, and what did we get with them, just about everything that few people wanted, Clegg is bad enough, but to have him alongside Cameron was fraught with disaster from the outset. As a strong former Tory (I STRESS "FORMER") I now wouldn't vote for them at any cost, Cameron's policy in the Middle East, his confrontational approach to the Police, the teachers and just about every other public service in the country, not least the Armed Forces, lost him a lot of previous good friends and that is the prime example of what a total and utter clown this man is. He must surely rank as the most deceitful, hypocritical and unprincipled man we have ever had as a Prime Minister. I would like to think that he is done for, the next time around. Now, having had the " big three" who, between them have reduced this country to the sorry state it is in today, what have we got left, we have the Greens, a principled party, honest and radical but with a questionable taxation attitude that put's most people off and then we have UKIP. Each will have his/her own opinions of this party and Nigel Farage but I say this, the electorate have been treated like idiots under a welter of continual insult from the three main parties, our opinions/views have been utterly disregarded and count for nothing with Cameron being the arch offender here but with Farage, he speaks it as it is. His views and opinions and his policies are those of the common man, and, even if some of them are not, UKIP and Farage cannot possibly do any worse than the LIB/LAB/CONs. Yes, they will make mistakes as they find their way - as all the others did, yes, there will be a few idiots in their make-up, just as there are many in the other parties but I repeat, the defining issue for me when it comes to choice is, we have seen enough of the others to last us a lifetime, now give UKIP a chance, they certainly can do no worse than the others and I believe that they can lift the odour of shame and disgrace from our country and give us back a spring in our step, some pride in our country and some respect from those Europeans who snigger up their sleeves when either Cameron, Miliband, Clegg or the UK itself is mentioned in the EU. Vote for UKIP or forever kick yourself that you have handed the place over to those who brought us down in the first place. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 2

7:40pm Sun 17 Aug 14

cosmick says...

Counterview wrote:
Pobinr wrote:
According to Clegg - being politically married to & having open borders with this depressed dead duck experimental EU currency zone means we protect our jobs!
ha ha ha ha ha
No we just get a load of people from poor countries in Eastern Europe desperate for £6 per hour jobs in Costa plus they get working family tax credits, child benefit, NHS, subsidised housing, free translators in schools, subsidised nursery care all paid for by us.
VOTE UKIP on principle
And what, pray, is wrong with Jobs in Costs Coffee? In case you were unaware, Costa Coffee is a Britsh company. It is expanding at a vast rate of knots. Maybe you start on the minimum wage. If you're any good you certainly won't stay there. There should be no sense of entitlement in the workplace of this or any other country. Start at the bottom and work your way up - it's not always the case but that's how it should be.
Costa Coffee was an example used to show that if you come to our country, take a job on M/W you can then claim tax free benefits from the state( 30 million in child benefit going to other E/U countrys) these benefit are worth far more than wages, you would be a fool not to come to our country to get this.
But you are a bigger fool if you let it carry on.
A OAP in this country £6000 oap payment, E/U worker comming here to work with kids left at home £30,000.
Thats my money they are taking and i want it to stop!
UKIP will do well next MAY thank GOD.
[quote][p][bold]Counterview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: According to Clegg - being politically married to & having open borders with this depressed dead duck experimental EU currency zone means we protect our jobs! ha ha ha ha ha No we just get a load of people from poor countries in Eastern Europe desperate for £6 per hour jobs in Costa plus they get working family tax credits, child benefit, NHS, subsidised housing, free translators in schools, subsidised nursery care all paid for by us. VOTE UKIP on principle[/p][/quote]And what, pray, is wrong with Jobs in Costs Coffee? In case you were unaware, Costa Coffee is a Britsh company. It is expanding at a vast rate of knots. Maybe you start on the minimum wage. If you're any good you certainly won't stay there. There should be no sense of entitlement in the workplace of this or any other country. Start at the bottom and work your way up - it's not always the case but that's how it should be.[/p][/quote]Costa Coffee was an example used to show that if you come to our country, take a job on M/W you can then claim tax free benefits from the state( 30 million in child benefit going to other E/U countrys) these benefit are worth far more than wages, you would be a fool not to come to our country to get this. But you are a bigger fool if you let it carry on. A OAP in this country £6000 oap payment, E/U worker comming here to work with kids left at home £30,000. Thats my money they are taking and i want it to stop! UKIP will do well next MAY thank GOD. cosmick
  • Score: 2

7:52pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Counter view
Which of the following problems caused by the EU, lax immigration policy in general & open borders do you like most?
Open borders, lax immigration policy in general & EU membership are OK if you like the following brought you courtesy of 50 years of FibDemLabCon;
* Low wage immigrants entitled to more than they pay in tax from child benefit, social housing, working family tax credits, NHS, subsidised Nursery care, translators
* Mass unemployment , austerity & democracy lost to ECB loan sharks in Med countries
* More & more control of our country given away to the emerging EU dictatorship
* Low population density E.European countries being further depopulated
* Cheap imported labour that drives wages down & take jobs from locals
* Classes full of kids that need special lessons in speaking basic English
* Being told it's just Daily Mail fiction when we see it with our own eyes
* Higher crime per capita commited by the immigrant population
* 28,000 or is it 5,000 Romanians I don't care, held for crimes
* Higher house prices & rents due to increased demand
* More crowded surgeries & longer NHS queues
* More risk of power cuts due to more demand
* More dependance on food & energy imports
* Worst housing shortage since WWII
* More & more houses on greenbelt
* More & more road congestion
* Child grooming gangs
* People traffickers
* More red tape
* More pollution
* More crowds
* More queues

I look forward to your answer.
BTW UKIP is not about nationalism.
It's about stopping these serious problems getting worse.
It's also about nationstate democracy where we are a self governing nation rather than more & more centralised control by a huge bureacracy that can't get it's accounts signed off!
Counter view Which of the following problems caused by the EU, lax immigration policy in general & open borders do you like most? Open borders, lax immigration policy in general & EU membership are OK if you like the following brought you courtesy of 50 years of FibDemLabCon; * Low wage immigrants entitled to more than they pay in tax from child benefit, social housing, working family tax credits, NHS, subsidised Nursery care, translators * Mass unemployment , austerity & democracy lost to ECB loan sharks in Med countries * More & more control of our country given away to the emerging EU dictatorship * Low population density E.European countries being further depopulated * Cheap imported labour that drives wages down & take jobs from locals * Classes full of kids that need special lessons in speaking basic English * Being told it's just Daily Mail fiction when we see it with our own eyes * Higher crime per capita commited by the immigrant population * 28,000 or is it 5,000 Romanians I don't care, held for crimes * Higher house prices & rents due to increased demand * More crowded surgeries & longer NHS queues * More risk of power cuts due to more demand * More dependance on food & energy imports * Worst housing shortage since WWII * More & more houses on greenbelt * More & more road congestion * Child grooming gangs * People traffickers * More red tape * More pollution * More crowds * More queues I look forward to your answer. BTW UKIP is not about nationalism. It's about stopping these serious problems getting worse. It's also about nationstate democracy where we are a self governing nation rather than more & more centralised control by a huge bureacracy that can't get it's accounts signed off! Pobinr
  • Score: 2

7:54pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Liberal Democrats - The party of liberty, democracy and equality who are anti having the liberty to decide on Europe via a referendum and anti democracy in being EUrophiles. Pro equality yet they want to treat EU citizens preferentially!
But that's the opposite of liberty and democracy & equality isn't it?
LibDems the Party for people that don't believe in liberty, democracy or equality

Labour - Anti referendum, pro EU and pro immigration.
Result = Mass immigration of cheap labour driving down wages, taking jobs, taking homes, making more traffic congestion and making slumlords & low wage payers richer.
But that's the opposite of Socialism isn't it?
Labour the party for seriously deluded people!

Tories - The party of small government most of whom are EUrophiles meaning gigantic bloated centralised EU government that's ballooning out of control.
But that's the opposite of Conservatism isn't it?
Conservatives in reality the party for People that need to vote UKIP if they are conservative

Vote for the three main parties and get the opposite of what you want!

The common sense solution > http://www.ukip.org/
issues
Liberal Democrats - The party of liberty, democracy and equality who are anti having the liberty to decide on Europe via a referendum and anti democracy in being EUrophiles. Pro equality yet they want to treat EU citizens preferentially! But that's the opposite of liberty and democracy & equality isn't it? LibDems the Party for people that don't believe in liberty, democracy or equality Labour - Anti referendum, pro EU and pro immigration. Result = Mass immigration of cheap labour driving down wages, taking jobs, taking homes, making more traffic congestion and making slumlords & low wage payers richer. But that's the opposite of Socialism isn't it? Labour the party for seriously deluded people! Tories - The party of small government most of whom are EUrophiles meaning gigantic bloated centralised EU government that's ballooning out of control. But that's the opposite of Conservatism isn't it? Conservatives in reality the party for People that need to vote UKIP if they are conservative Vote for the three main parties and get the opposite of what you want! The common sense solution > http://www.ukip.org/ issues Pobinr
  • Score: 2

8:07pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

We are now paying £5bn a year in working family tax credits to low paid immigrants. Not to mention all the other perks of living in the UK. Subsidised housing, subsidised nurseries, child benefit, NHS etc
What this means is the taxpayer is subsidising low wage employers such as Costa, Starbucks etc & a thousand others.
Funny I thought it was the employers role to pay their staff.
Not the taxpayer!
The EU is rampant corporatism >
http://blogs.telegra
ph.co.uk/news/daniel
hannan/100226210/the
-tobacco-lobby-the-e
u-and-how-we-are-gov
erned-by-corporatism
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We are now paying £5bn a year in working family tax credits to low paid immigrants. Not to mention all the other perks of living in the UK. Subsidised housing, subsidised nurseries, child benefit, NHS etc What this means is the taxpayer is subsidising low wage employers such as Costa, Starbucks etc & a thousand others. Funny I thought it was the employers role to pay their staff. Not the taxpayer! The EU is rampant corporatism > http://blogs.telegra ph.co.uk/news/daniel hannan/100226210/the -tobacco-lobby-the-e u-and-how-we-are-gov erned-by-corporatism / Pobinr
  • Score: 2

8:12pm Sun 17 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
@counterview

Your argument is irrelevant as we cannot control the past only the present and the future.

The reoccurring them with UKIP supporters is that they are scared and rightly so, they are worries about the things they observe, low wages, unemployment, run down public services.

It is these things that they, and the rest of us, worry about and that UKIP take advantage of. They augment this fear about what is going wrong and they correctly cite the incompetence of our government to deal with it.

However, being part of the problem themselves they cannot deal with it either so they use an age old tactic to draw attention to their cause by blaming someone else for the cause of the problems we see, that is they blame the EU. This is nothing new, Hitler did it with the Jews.

Most members of the public do not the real reasons for our problem and its much easier to believe the UKIP diatribe , so they believe it. It doesn't matter if UKIP are not telling the truth the point is the other parties dare not tell you the truth either and UKIP's message is much easier to understand and has a much easier solution, that is, get out of the EU and all our problems are solved.

Now here is the interesting bit, UKIP leadership know they will never win an election but that doesn't matter because all they want is a career in politics, soaking up the expenses and salaries at the expense fo the tax payer.

Just look at their record on public service. UKIP MEP's are the laziest of all MEP's, They rarely turn up to parliamentary sessions. Farrage himself has only ever turned up to 1 session to vote on Britain's fishing rights. He and his kind don't give a **** about the people that voted them into place as they don't lift a finger to support Britain when they have an opportunity.

UKIP are just another bunch of career politicians who are living off the public. They will never talk about the biggest issues we have in our country because they know they have no answer for it.
the biggest issues in this country you fool is the out of control mass immigration into this country and that den of european thieves that go by the the title the E/U .and as for your other ukip wont win a general election ,well you dont want to hold your breath because they will win the next one .and farage aint turned up at the e/u .you really have lived a sheltered live .just go on utube and have a gander and see Mr Farage in action at the e/u and while your at it utube the mass islamization of paris .you silly boy .vote ukip folks
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: @counterview Your argument is irrelevant as we cannot control the past only the present and the future. The reoccurring them with UKIP supporters is that they are scared and rightly so, they are worries about the things they observe, low wages, unemployment, run down public services. It is these things that they, and the rest of us, worry about and that UKIP take advantage of. They augment this fear about what is going wrong and they correctly cite the incompetence of our government to deal with it. However, being part of the problem themselves they cannot deal with it either so they use an age old tactic to draw attention to their cause by blaming someone else for the cause of the problems we see, that is they blame the EU. This is nothing new, Hitler did it with the Jews. Most members of the public do not the real reasons for our problem and its much easier to believe the UKIP diatribe , so they believe it. It doesn't matter if UKIP are not telling the truth the point is the other parties dare not tell you the truth either and UKIP's message is much easier to understand and has a much easier solution, that is, get out of the EU and all our problems are solved. Now here is the interesting bit, UKIP leadership know they will never win an election but that doesn't matter because all they want is a career in politics, soaking up the expenses and salaries at the expense fo the tax payer. Just look at their record on public service. UKIP MEP's are the laziest of all MEP's, They rarely turn up to parliamentary sessions. Farrage himself has only ever turned up to 1 session to vote on Britain's fishing rights. He and his kind don't give a **** about the people that voted them into place as they don't lift a finger to support Britain when they have an opportunity. UKIP are just another bunch of career politicians who are living off the public. They will never talk about the biggest issues we have in our country because they know they have no answer for it.[/p][/quote]the biggest issues in this country you fool is the out of control mass immigration into this country and that den of european thieves that go by the the title the E/U .and as for your other ukip wont win a general election ,well you dont want to hold your breath because they will win the next one .and farage aint turned up at the e/u .you really have lived a sheltered live .just go on utube and have a gander and see Mr Farage in action at the e/u and while your at it utube the mass islamization of paris .you silly boy .vote ukip folks jimmysmith
  • Score: 2

8:25pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Anyone that can watch these videos then still think the EU is a good thing would have to be completely mad or stupid!

EU = More & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people without their consent
How the EU is dismantling democracy in Europe;

Remote control by the EU

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=TtQt2IjeL
Vc

EU new Soviet Union ?

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=92Vjc_PeY
tc

The unelected crooks & recycled Communists running the EU

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=YWSYMpuCF
aQ

We're now run by Big Banks,Big Business &Big Bureaucrats

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=750uBYcab
KI

Nigel Farage of UKIP Confronts the EU Commissioners

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=bJHETdxwv
8Y

Creeping EU totalitarianism>

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=QVeMBNB0
cII

The Nazi-Fascist Origins of the EU Superstate >

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=yV-6pHdU
pfk
Anyone that can watch these videos then still think the EU is a good thing would have to be completely mad or stupid! EU = More & more centralised control & a desire to impose political union on the people without their consent How the EU is dismantling democracy in Europe; Remote control by the EU http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=TtQt2IjeL Vc EU new Soviet Union ? http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=92Vjc_PeY tc The unelected crooks & recycled Communists running the EU http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=YWSYMpuCF aQ We're now run by Big Banks,Big Business &Big Bureaucrats http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=750uBYcab KI Nigel Farage of UKIP Confronts the EU Commissioners http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=bJHETdxwv 8Y Creeping EU totalitarianism> https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=QVeMBNB0 cII The Nazi-Fascist Origins of the EU Superstate > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=yV-6pHdU pfk Pobinr
  • Score: 2

9:14pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Counterview says...

To Pobinr: Which problems do I like the most? Simple answer - I don't like problems at all - I like solutions. I am not naive enough to believe our EU membership hasn't caused problems. Of course it has. However, to counter that I've never seen anything from Farage and Co about the problems we face if we leave. If ever dare give us a frank assessment of the potential pitfalls of leaving, we could then form a balanced view.

I'm more than happy to answer any further questions. However, perhaps you could refer back to my question posted at 11.19am. No UKIP supporter has yet responded directly to that - perhaps you might be the first.
To Pobinr: Which problems do I like the most? Simple answer - I don't like problems at all - I like solutions. I am not naive enough to believe our EU membership hasn't caused problems. Of course it has. However, to counter that I've never seen anything from Farage and Co about the problems we face if we leave. If ever dare give us a frank assessment of the potential pitfalls of leaving, we could then form a balanced view. I'm more than happy to answer any further questions. However, perhaps you could refer back to my question posted at 11.19am. No UKIP supporter has yet responded directly to that - perhaps you might be the first. Counterview
  • Score: -1

9:33pm Sun 17 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Shropshirelad wrote:
With the next election, will come an opportunity for ordinary men and women to get in their choice of vote, the person, party and values that up until then has not existed in any of our other parties. We voted in Labour, they crippled the country economically and then denied it. We next voted in the Tories/Lib Dem coalition, and what did we get with them, just about everything that few people wanted, Clegg is bad enough, but to have him alongside Cameron was fraught with disaster from the outset. As a strong former Tory (I STRESS "FORMER") I now wouldn't vote for them at any cost, Cameron's policy in the Middle East,
his confrontational approach to the Police, the teachers and just about every other public service in the country, not least the Armed Forces, lost him a lot of previous good friends and that is the prime example of what a total and utter clown this man is. He must surely rank as the most deceitful, hypocritical and unprincipled man we have ever had as a Prime Minister. I would like to think that he is done for, the next time around. Now, having had the " big three" who, between them have reduced this country to the sorry state it is in today, what have we got left, we have the Greens, a principled party, honest and radical but with a questionable taxation attitude that put's most people off and then we have UKIP. Each will have his/her own opinions of this party and Nigel Farage but I say this, the electorate have been treated like idiots under a welter of continual insult from the three main parties, our opinions/views have been utterly disregarded and count for nothing with Cameron being the arch offender here but with Farage, he speaks it as it is. His views and opinions and his policies are those of the common man, and, even if some of them are not, UKIP and Farage cannot possibly do any worse than the LIB/LAB/CONs. Yes, they will make mistakes as they find their way - as all the others did, yes, there will be a few idiots in their make-up, just as there are many in the other parties but I repeat, the defining issue for me when it comes to choice is, we have seen enough of the others to last us a lifetime, now give UKIP a chance, they certainly can do no worse than the others and I believe that they can lift the odour of shame and disgrace from our country and give us back a spring in our step, some pride in our country and some respect from those Europeans who snigger up their sleeves when either Cameron, Miliband, Clegg or the UK itself is mentioned in the EU. Vote for UKIP or forever kick yourself that you have handed the place over to those who brought us down in the first place.
Good truthful and honest post, "Lass" ops I mean Lad, I'll add to that the latest % on wages, down 0.02 % cost of-living @ 1.7%, forecast to rise in 2015 to 1.9%.

To the Duke of the welly boot, work the above into your Liberal Elitist propaganda Media contrived daily fable the Guardian paper....for all the trouble that you and your fellow idiots have inflicted on the people of this Country in the last 15 years you all need to vote UKIP, it's payback time for all your bad choices you made....stand together join the patriots for a better deal for Briton and vote UKIP....
[quote][p][bold]Shropshirelad[/bold] wrote: With the next election, will come an opportunity for ordinary men and women to get in their choice of vote, the person, party and values that up until then has not existed in any of our other parties. We voted in Labour, they crippled the country economically and then denied it. We next voted in the Tories/Lib Dem coalition, and what did we get with them, just about everything that few people wanted, Clegg is bad enough, but to have him alongside Cameron was fraught with disaster from the outset. As a strong former Tory (I STRESS "FORMER") I now wouldn't vote for them at any cost, Cameron's policy in the Middle East, his confrontational approach to the Police, the teachers and just about every other public service in the country, not least the Armed Forces, lost him a lot of previous good friends and that is the prime example of what a total and utter clown this man is. He must surely rank as the most deceitful, hypocritical and unprincipled man we have ever had as a Prime Minister. I would like to think that he is done for, the next time around. Now, having had the " big three" who, between them have reduced this country to the sorry state it is in today, what have we got left, we have the Greens, a principled party, honest and radical but with a questionable taxation attitude that put's most people off and then we have UKIP. Each will have his/her own opinions of this party and Nigel Farage but I say this, the electorate have been treated like idiots under a welter of continual insult from the three main parties, our opinions/views have been utterly disregarded and count for nothing with Cameron being the arch offender here but with Farage, he speaks it as it is. His views and opinions and his policies are those of the common man, and, even if some of them are not, UKIP and Farage cannot possibly do any worse than the LIB/LAB/CONs. Yes, they will make mistakes as they find their way - as all the others did, yes, there will be a few idiots in their make-up, just as there are many in the other parties but I repeat, the defining issue for me when it comes to choice is, we have seen enough of the others to last us a lifetime, now give UKIP a chance, they certainly can do no worse than the others and I believe that they can lift the odour of shame and disgrace from our country and give us back a spring in our step, some pride in our country and some respect from those Europeans who snigger up their sleeves when either Cameron, Miliband, Clegg or the UK itself is mentioned in the EU. Vote for UKIP or forever kick yourself that you have handed the place over to those who brought us down in the first place.[/p][/quote]Good truthful and honest post, "Lass" ops I mean Lad, I'll add to that the latest % on wages, down 0.02 % cost of-living @ 1.7%, forecast to rise in 2015 to 1.9%. To the Duke of the welly boot, work the above into your Liberal Elitist propaganda Media contrived daily fable the Guardian paper....for all the trouble that you and your fellow idiots have inflicted on the people of this Country in the last 15 years you all need to vote UKIP, it's payback time for all your bad choices you made....stand together join the patriots for a better deal for Briton and vote UKIP.... welshmen
  • Score: 3

9:58pm Sun 17 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Counterview wrote:
There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around.
We are now living in the 21st Century, what our forefathers achieved or didn't has NO bearing on the current situation with our Country, or as you say Europe, you post like an immigrant second generation who would still have millions more of your kind to take and take.

Immigration is not a successful business for this Country, losing £148 Billion and rising fast since 1995 according to the Migration Watch report, we are asked or told to show tolerance, but tolerance is just another word for Submission and Acceptance in the world today – and Intolerance is the word for self belief, self love, self preservation and United British Patriots, for many years British patriots have tried to highlight the long term problems of Immigration, but to no avail. We have the ‘accepted’ face of tolerance staring back at us •NHS Hospitals and GP’s too full to really cope, • Rampant Jihadism in the Education facilities •Non English speaking immigrants swamping our children’s classrooms •Sexual grooming practised as a way of life in “ASIAN” areas of our country, When does the politically correct tolerance become ‘Enabling’ minority communities to commit socio economic genocide against the original inhabitants of a country, that's us, the EU is the Modern Motorway for all that is bad for our Country, getting out and securing our borders is most important, then we can remove the foreign illegals, the foreign criminals and anyone who wishes our Country harm....your LIB/LAB/CON world has to go before we are all involved in a civil war....peace....
[quote][p][bold]Counterview[/bold] wrote: There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around.[/p][/quote]We are now living in the 21st Century, what our forefathers achieved or didn't has NO bearing on the current situation with our Country, or as you say Europe, you post like an immigrant second generation who would still have millions more of your kind to take and take. Immigration is not a successful business for this Country, losing £148 Billion and rising fast since 1995 according to the Migration Watch report, we are asked or told to show tolerance, but tolerance is just another word for Submission and Acceptance in the world today – and Intolerance is the word for self belief, self love, self preservation and United British Patriots, for many years British patriots have tried to highlight the long term problems of Immigration, but to no avail. We have the ‘accepted’ face of tolerance staring back at us •NHS Hospitals and GP’s too full to really cope, • Rampant Jihadism in the Education facilities •Non English speaking immigrants swamping our children’s classrooms •Sexual grooming practised as a way of life in “ASIAN” areas of our country, When does the politically correct tolerance become ‘Enabling’ minority communities to commit socio economic genocide against the original inhabitants of a country, that's us, the EU is the Modern Motorway for all that is bad for our Country, getting out and securing our borders is most important, then we can remove the foreign illegals, the foreign criminals and anyone who wishes our Country harm....your LIB/LAB/CON world has to go before we are all involved in a civil war....peace.... welshmen
  • Score: 2

10:06pm Sun 17 Aug 14

cosmick says...

Counterview wrote:
There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around.
We cannot be blamed for what was done all over the world years ago.
What do you want us to say sorry? Who do you want to say sorry?
I am sure the countrys that we (trampled over) have done ok since then, most of them before the E/U came about had access to this country, the only difference was they did not send child benefit back, or get the money given to kids with ADHT they just came for a better life, which did not cost the tax payers an arm and a leg.
Hope thats what your looking for. If not let me know.
[quote][p][bold]Counterview[/bold] wrote: There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around.[/p][/quote]We cannot be blamed for what was done all over the world years ago. What do you want us to say sorry? Who do you want to say sorry? I am sure the countrys that we (trampled over) have done ok since then, most of them before the E/U came about had access to this country, the only difference was they did not send child benefit back, or get the money given to kids with ADHT they just came for a better life, which did not cost the tax payers an arm and a leg. Hope thats what your looking for. If not let me know. cosmick
  • Score: 2

10:29pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Counter view
You haven't watched the vids have you?
Why don't you try & watch them?
You fail to acknowledge most of this country's problems & those of other EU counties are are due to excessive immigration & the EU.
Poland & Romania each the same area as UK.
Population of Poland = 39m
Population of Romania = 21m
Population of UK 63m.
The working age population is the engine that drives every economy.
Emmigration from East Europe is making the countries they come from poorer.
It's only of benefit to slumlords & min wage employers here
And they're just adding to the housing shortage, social housing queues, traffic congestion, houses on greenbelt, power cuts, more dependance on imported food & energy etc etc
Them coming here is total madness.
No one ever voted for it.
Counter view You haven't watched the vids have you? Why don't you try & watch them? You fail to acknowledge most of this country's problems & those of other EU counties are are due to excessive immigration & the EU. Poland & Romania each the same area as UK. Population of Poland = 39m Population of Romania = 21m Population of UK 63m. The working age population is the engine that drives every economy. Emmigration from East Europe is making the countries they come from poorer. It's only of benefit to slumlords & min wage employers here And they're just adding to the housing shortage, social housing queues, traffic congestion, houses on greenbelt, power cuts, more dependance on imported food & energy etc etc Them coming here is total madness. No one ever voted for it. Pobinr
  • Score: 2

10:36pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Counterview wrote:
There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around.
Here you dissappove of something in one context.
Then you approve of it in another!
Wrong is wrong isn't it whatevr the context !

BTW the countries you must be referring to gained technology, highly productive farms, a legal system, sewers, medicine, railways etc from us.
When we were booted out of countries like Kenya they went downhill fast.
Food poisoning became common in Kenya due to power cuts.
Africa is now ruled by black despots & the farms are not as productive.
They are worse off for their independance.
[quote][p][bold]Counterview[/bold] wrote: There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around.[/p][/quote]Here you dissappove of something in one context. Then you approve of it in another! Wrong is wrong isn't it whatevr the context ! BTW the countries you must be referring to gained technology, highly productive farms, a legal system, sewers, medicine, railways etc from us. When we were booted out of countries like Kenya they went downhill fast. Food poisoning became common in Kenya due to power cuts. Africa is now ruled by black despots & the farms are not as productive. They are worse off for their independance. Pobinr
  • Score: 3

11:00pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Neo Liberal Left are the new 'Right' - Colonisation- creating Lebensraum in England for millions poor unskilled East European settlers. Bringing in 'scab' immigrant workers to drive down wages of low paid locals, taking homes and driving up rents for rich slumlords.
EU is a Capitalist's dream brought to you courtesy of the Left.
Southampton social housing waiting list now 8+ years long!
Jobs taken. Wages driven down.
The antithesis of socialism.
Yet they accuse UKIP of being right wing!
One of the few men standing up for this country against the emerging EU dictatorship > https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=bJHETdxw
v8Y
The unelected crooks running the EU > https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=YWSYMpuC
FaQ
Neo Liberal Left are the new 'Right' - Colonisation- creating Lebensraum in England for millions poor unskilled East European settlers. Bringing in 'scab' immigrant workers to drive down wages of low paid locals, taking homes and driving up rents for rich slumlords. EU is a Capitalist's dream brought to you courtesy of the Left. Southampton social housing waiting list now 8+ years long! Jobs taken. Wages driven down. The antithesis of socialism. Yet they accuse UKIP of being right wing! One of the few men standing up for this country against the emerging EU dictatorship > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=bJHETdxw v8Y The unelected crooks running the EU > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=YWSYMpuC FaQ Pobinr
  • Score: 3

11:35pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Counterview says...

Welshmen/Cosmick/Pob
inr

Thank you all for your responses. I would agree that we cannot alter the past. But I believe that our colonialist forefathers have left a legacy. First, the English Language is now the second language of choice for most of the world. For me, that's why Britain is a particularly attractive destination. Otherwise, why not Luxembourg which enjoys a far higher per capita income than Britain? To a lesser extent, places like Germany and Holland. But there is nothing whatsoever we can do about this.

Second, our former colonies - in particular Gibraltar. As I have stated previously, if we leave the EU, I believe Gibraltar will generate major difficulties when we come to renegotiate a trade deal. If - or more likely when - Spain steps in with a veto until the Gibraltar issue is sorted, what would Farage do? There is no other EU country that would not support Spain.

Next, what would Farage do about illegal immigration - bound to be more of a problem if legal routes are blocked.

More generally, I do not believe immigration from the EU will continue at current levels. Much of it has resulted from expansion of the EU zone. It cannot continue to expand at the current rate.

On the contentious issue of the tax system subsidising low incomes - I believe that is a disgrace and minimum wage levels should be substantially increased.

On Pobinrs point about me approving of one thing and disapproving of another. I'm not clear of the point being made here - but I'll answer if you clarify.
Welshmen/Cosmick/Pob inr Thank you all for your responses. I would agree that we cannot alter the past. But I believe that our colonialist forefathers have left a legacy. First, the English Language is now the second language of choice for most of the world. For me, that's why Britain is a particularly attractive destination. Otherwise, why not Luxembourg which enjoys a far higher per capita income than Britain? To a lesser extent, places like Germany and Holland. But there is nothing whatsoever we can do about this. Second, our former colonies - in particular Gibraltar. As I have stated previously, if we leave the EU, I believe Gibraltar will generate major difficulties when we come to renegotiate a trade deal. If - or more likely when - Spain steps in with a veto until the Gibraltar issue is sorted, what would Farage do? There is no other EU country that would not support Spain. Next, what would Farage do about illegal immigration - bound to be more of a problem if legal routes are blocked. More generally, I do not believe immigration from the EU will continue at current levels. Much of it has resulted from expansion of the EU zone. It cannot continue to expand at the current rate. On the contentious issue of the tax system subsidising low incomes - I believe that is a disgrace and minimum wage levels should be substantially increased. On Pobinrs point about me approving of one thing and disapproving of another. I'm not clear of the point being made here - but I'll answer if you clarify. Counterview
  • Score: 0

12:22am Mon 18 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Counterview
You are naive. Watch the vids
Counterview You are naive. Watch the vids Pobinr
  • Score: 2

7:44am Mon 18 Aug 14

Counterview says...

Pobinr wrote:
Counterview
You are naive. Watch the vids
Pobinr. Calling me naive doesn't address any of the points I've made. To be clear, I''m no advocate of mass uncontrolled immigration either. But if you care to list the potential pitfalls of leaving the EU I'm quite happy to examine them. I can think of plenty. If you can't think of any, then we'll both have to share the naive label, I'm afraid. I'll just finish with one reminder - what about Gibraltar?
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Counterview You are naive. Watch the vids[/p][/quote]Pobinr. Calling me naive doesn't address any of the points I've made. To be clear, I''m no advocate of mass uncontrolled immigration either. But if you care to list the potential pitfalls of leaving the EU I'm quite happy to examine them. I can think of plenty. If you can't think of any, then we'll both have to share the naive label, I'm afraid. I'll just finish with one reminder - what about Gibraltar? Counterview
  • Score: -1

10:45am Mon 18 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

What about Gib? The Spanish are still being awkward over it regardless of us being in the EU.
You haven't addressed the huge No of problems I listed. All thanks to the EU & open borders. You speak of problems if we leave. Could those problems possibly be as bad or numerous as what we have for being in the EU?

Ref risk to trade which is the big scare tactic from EUrophiliacs.
Honda UK just laid off 800 staff due to poor sales to the depressed Eurozone. Meantime we sell more & more Range Rovers, Jaguars etc to China & India

Norway & Switzerland are two of the richest countries per capita in Europe & are out of the EU.

Question - What do Switzerland, Singapore, South Korea, & Mexico have in common?
Answer - They trade freely with Europe, but they are not in the EU

Countries like Korea & Japan have complete control over their borders & they trade with the world.

As Lord Digby Jones said the other day. When Brit business men are competing with Chinese ones for business in Brazil the EU poltiburo is an irrelevance.
The other day I bought a large RC helicopter off Ebay from Hong Kong. Again what do I need parasitic power grabbing EUrocrats for ?

The best free trade agreement is a blank sheet of paper.
Daniel Hannan
'The single market is 5 times as expensive in compliance costs as it is in benefits.
Countries don't do business with each other. Business's do. The best thing governments can do is keep out of the way'
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Qx1HxYzJ2
As&feature=fvsr
What about Gib? The Spanish are still being awkward over it regardless of us being in the EU. You haven't addressed the huge No of problems I listed. All thanks to the EU & open borders. You speak of problems if we leave. Could those problems possibly be as bad or numerous as what we have for being in the EU? Ref risk to trade which is the big scare tactic from EUrophiliacs. Honda UK just laid off 800 staff due to poor sales to the depressed Eurozone. Meantime we sell more & more Range Rovers, Jaguars etc to China & India Norway & Switzerland are two of the richest countries per capita in Europe & are out of the EU. Question - What do Switzerland, Singapore, South Korea, & Mexico have in common? Answer - They trade freely with Europe, but they are not in the EU Countries like Korea & Japan have complete control over their borders & they trade with the world. As Lord Digby Jones said the other day. When Brit business men are competing with Chinese ones for business in Brazil the EU poltiburo is an irrelevance. The other day I bought a large RC helicopter off Ebay from Hong Kong. Again what do I need parasitic power grabbing EUrocrats for ? The best free trade agreement is a blank sheet of paper. Daniel Hannan 'The single market is 5 times as expensive in compliance costs as it is in benefits. Countries don't do business with each other. Business's do. The best thing governments can do is keep out of the way' http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Qx1HxYzJ2 As&feature=fvsr Pobinr
  • Score: 1

11:14am Mon 18 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

There's no end in sight and there won't be until the Europeans peoples understand that the EU is unworkable and the Euro is the cause of all their economic stagnation.
As the EU Elite are determined to sacrifice the livelihoods of millions of Europeans in pursuit of their dream of a United States of Europe, there isn't likely to be any improvement for quite some time to come ...... until they rise up and depose their EU-obsessed governments.
Meantime, we in the UK are shackled to an economic corpse and a proto-Dictatorship which is going to do its level best to destroy our financial services industry.
We should get OUT and help consign the EU to the dustbin of history.
It's unworkable; it's failed. as anyone with half a brain knew it would.
Time to bail out....... man the UKIP lifeboats.
There's no end in sight and there won't be until the Europeans peoples understand that the EU is unworkable and the Euro is the cause of all their economic stagnation. As the EU Elite are determined to sacrifice the livelihoods of millions of Europeans in pursuit of their dream of a United States of Europe, there isn't likely to be any improvement for quite some time to come ...... until they rise up and depose their EU-obsessed governments. Meantime, we in the UK are shackled to an economic corpse and a proto-Dictatorship which is going to do its level best to destroy our financial services industry. We should get OUT and help consign the EU to the dustbin of history. It's unworkable; it's failed. as anyone with half a brain knew it would. Time to bail out....... man the UKIP lifeboats. Pobinr
  • Score: 2

12:21pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Rita Jelfs says...

Pobinr, you appear to be speaking for business, and not ordinary wage workers in the UK. The things that Norway, Singapore, and South Korea have in common that helps their economies operate outside the EU: Norway has the highest levels of educational and developmental achievement in the world, as well as massive natural resources. Korea is next, with similar levels of educational achievement, free trade agreements with other Asian countries. and cheaper labour costs than European countries. Singapore was developed as an authoritarian regime under Lee Kwan, the Prime Minister. They now have one of the most highly technologically advanced industries there, and a highly educated workforce. They have strong links to other ASEAN economies.
The UK consistently falls below many other OECD countries in educational achievements and an educated workforce, has limited natural resources, and would rather invest overseas than in the UK. All British governments have continued to exploit lowest paid workers by refusing to sign EC social chapters, preventing this. Like the US the UK uses cheap, unlimited numbers of poorly educated workers to keep wages low. Whether these come from overseas or locally. Farage might "deliver" for British business elites because he might not know if a rats up his a---. But, his support for increased nuclear energy, more elitist grammar schools, less government spending of taxpayers funds on essential services, and a flat rate of tax will be to the detriment of ordinary British people. It also indicates where his true values lie. Its not with the progress of the ordinary British person. its an agenda of the Conservative right wing, and believers of an elitist Britain. But, it appears that its fooled many. Better to vote Liberal/Labour.
Pobinr, you appear to be speaking for business, and not ordinary wage workers in the UK. The things that Norway, Singapore, and South Korea have in common that helps their economies operate outside the EU: Norway has the highest levels of educational and developmental achievement in the world, as well as massive natural resources. Korea is next, with similar levels of educational achievement, free trade agreements with other Asian countries. and cheaper labour costs than European countries. Singapore was developed as an authoritarian regime under Lee Kwan, the Prime Minister. They now have one of the most highly technologically advanced industries there, and a highly educated workforce. They have strong links to other ASEAN economies. The UK consistently falls below many other OECD countries in educational achievements and an educated workforce, has limited natural resources, and would rather invest overseas than in the UK. All British governments have continued to exploit lowest paid workers by refusing to sign EC social chapters, preventing this. Like the US the UK uses cheap, unlimited numbers of poorly educated workers to keep wages low. Whether these come from overseas or locally. Farage might "deliver" for British business elites because he might not know if a rats up his a---. But, his support for increased nuclear energy, more elitist grammar schools, less government spending of taxpayers funds on essential services, and a flat rate of tax will be to the detriment of ordinary British people. It also indicates where his true values lie. Its not with the progress of the ordinary British person. its an agenda of the Conservative right wing, and believers of an elitist Britain. But, it appears that its fooled many. Better to vote Liberal/Labour. Rita Jelfs
  • Score: -2

12:53pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Shropshirelad says...

Counterview wrote:
There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around.


Well Counterview, as a former member of the Colonial Service who spent many years in Africa and the Middle East can I comment on your utterly naïve comment which, correct me if I am wrong, appears to indicate that because we went into all the "red" areas of the world, we should have no complaint when those from the "red" areas come here. We have every right to complain, I feel tremendously proud of my service in the old colonies. I went to places that had never seen a white man and I went to teach and develop those people in many different aspects of civilised living. The Colonial Service brought many people from an utterly primitive standpoint to a reasonable level of development which, had past/ current indigenous leaders applied themselves properly would have allowed those countries a good standing in the modern world, as it is by oppression, brutality, corruptness and general poor policies and practices, many are now basket cases. Are you saying that we should allow these peoples from every corner of the globe carte blanche access to our country. We went to their countries to develop them with a stated aim of independence when they had reached an appropriate level, we did not exploit them which is what the left wing would have you believe. People come to this country - NOT TO DEVELOP US, but (grant you not in every case) in the main to exploit us and our country. Many are not ex colonial people, what are Chileans, Brazilians, Chinese etc etc etc etc doing here. We owe them nothing. Mass uncontrolled immigration has been the biggest disaster to befall this country since time immemorial. Cameron said he would reduce it to tens of thousands (not stop it mind) but what has happened on his watch, it has risen astronomically. Farage and UKIP may not be able to stop it dead - but I would more than any other, trust this man and his party to make an effort. We gave our ex colonies more benefits than what we took from their countries. Now, did we ever colonise Afghanistan, what is the betting that the 34 Afghanis who came here in a boat via Belgium apply for and get asylum. The primary rule with regard to asylum is that "seekers" should apply for asylum in the first country, outside their own that they come to. Seeing that we are an island, how come that hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers have been granted leave to remain here when obviously they must have gone through other countries to get here and Cameron still allows open borders. Hopefully UKIP will do the business with regard to mass uncontrolled immigration. Vote for them and see.
Counterview wrote: There is a recurrent UKIP theme - keep foreigners who we don't want out and too many tongues in English schools. How do UKIP reconcile these views with the fact that our forefathers trampled all over the globe, taking land from others and imposing the English language on the indigenous population - or was that OK? What goes around comes around. Well Counterview, as a former member of the Colonial Service who spent many years in Africa and the Middle East can I comment on your utterly naïve comment which, correct me if I am wrong, appears to indicate that because we went into all the "red" areas of the world, we should have no complaint when those from the "red" areas come here. We have every right to complain, I feel tremendously proud of my service in the old colonies. I went to places that had never seen a white man and I went to teach and develop those people in many different aspects of civilised living. The Colonial Service brought many people from an utterly primitive standpoint to a reasonable level of development which, had past/ current indigenous leaders applied themselves properly would have allowed those countries a good standing in the modern world, as it is by oppression, brutality, corruptness and general poor policies and practices, many are now basket cases. Are you saying that we should allow these peoples from every corner of the globe carte blanche access to our country. We went to their countries to develop them with a stated aim of independence when they had reached an appropriate level, we did not exploit them which is what the left wing would have you believe. People come to this country - NOT TO DEVELOP US, but (grant you not in every case) in the main to exploit us and our country. Many are not ex colonial people, what are Chileans, Brazilians, Chinese etc etc etc etc doing here. We owe them nothing. Mass uncontrolled immigration has been the biggest disaster to befall this country since time immemorial. Cameron said he would reduce it to tens of thousands (not stop it mind) but what has happened on his watch, it has risen astronomically. Farage and UKIP may not be able to stop it dead - but I would more than any other, trust this man and his party to make an effort. We gave our ex colonies more benefits than what we took from their countries. Now, did we ever colonise Afghanistan, what is the betting that the 34 Afghanis who came here in a boat via Belgium apply for and get asylum. The primary rule with regard to asylum is that "seekers" should apply for asylum in the first country, outside their own that they come to. Seeing that we are an island, how come that hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers have been granted leave to remain here when obviously they must have gone through other countries to get here and Cameron still allows open borders. Hopefully UKIP will do the business with regard to mass uncontrolled immigration. Vote for them and see. Shropshirelad
  • Score: 2

3:15pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
Pobinr, you appear to be speaking for business, and not ordinary wage workers in the UK. The things that Norway, Singapore, and South Korea have in common that helps their economies operate outside the EU: Norway has the highest levels of educational and developmental achievement in the world, as well as massive natural resources. Korea is next, with similar levels of educational achievement, free trade agreements with other Asian countries. and cheaper labour costs than European countries. Singapore was developed as an authoritarian regime under Lee Kwan, the Prime Minister. They now have one of the most highly technologically advanced industries there, and a highly educated workforce. They have strong links to other ASEAN economies.
The UK consistently falls below many other OECD countries in educational achievements and an educated workforce, has limited natural resources, and would rather invest overseas than in the UK. All British governments have continued to exploit lowest paid workers by refusing to sign EC social chapters, preventing this. Like the US the UK uses cheap, unlimited numbers of poorly educated workers to keep wages low. Whether these come from overseas or locally. Farage might "deliver" for British business elites because he might not know if a rats up his a---. But, his support for increased nuclear energy, more elitist grammar schools, less government spending of taxpayers funds on essential services, and a flat rate of tax will be to the detriment of ordinary British people. It also indicates where his true values lie. Its not with the progress of the ordinary British person. its an agenda of the Conservative right wing, and believers of an elitist Britain. But, it appears that its fooled many. Better to vote Liberal/Labour.
Rita Jelf
Classes full of kids that can't speak English doesn't help any of the problems you refer to.
I do not see how your post in any way can defend mass immigration. Qiute the reverse actually.
You've strayed completly away from the topic being discussed.
Namely the huge problems due to excessive immigration & EU member ship not just for us but for other EU countries
Can I remind you of them;
* Low wage immigrants entitled to more than they pay in tax from child benefit, social housing, working family tax credits, NHS, subsidised Nursery care, translators
* Mass unemployment , austerity & democracy lost to ECB loan sharks in Med countries
* More & more control of our country given away to the emerging EU dictatorship
* Low population density E.European countries being further depopulated
* Cheap imported labour that drives wages down & take jobs from locals
* Classes full of kids that need special lessons in speaking basic English
* Being told it's just Daily Mail fiction when we see it with our own eyes
* Higher crime per capita commited by the immigrant population
* 28,000 or is it 5,000 Romanians I don't care, held for crimes
* Higher house prices & rents due to increased demand
* More crowded surgeries & longer NHS queues
* More risk of power cuts due to more demand
* More dependance on food & energy imports
* Worst housing shortage since WWII
* More & more houses on greenbelt
* More & more road congestion
* Child grooming gangs
* People traffickers
* More red tape
* More pollution
* More crowds
* More queues

Vote UKIP
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: Pobinr, you appear to be speaking for business, and not ordinary wage workers in the UK. The things that Norway, Singapore, and South Korea have in common that helps their economies operate outside the EU: Norway has the highest levels of educational and developmental achievement in the world, as well as massive natural resources. Korea is next, with similar levels of educational achievement, free trade agreements with other Asian countries. and cheaper labour costs than European countries. Singapore was developed as an authoritarian regime under Lee Kwan, the Prime Minister. They now have one of the most highly technologically advanced industries there, and a highly educated workforce. They have strong links to other ASEAN economies. The UK consistently falls below many other OECD countries in educational achievements and an educated workforce, has limited natural resources, and would rather invest overseas than in the UK. All British governments have continued to exploit lowest paid workers by refusing to sign EC social chapters, preventing this. Like the US the UK uses cheap, unlimited numbers of poorly educated workers to keep wages low. Whether these come from overseas or locally. Farage might "deliver" for British business elites because he might not know if a rats up his a---. But, his support for increased nuclear energy, more elitist grammar schools, less government spending of taxpayers funds on essential services, and a flat rate of tax will be to the detriment of ordinary British people. It also indicates where his true values lie. Its not with the progress of the ordinary British person. its an agenda of the Conservative right wing, and believers of an elitist Britain. But, it appears that its fooled many. Better to vote Liberal/Labour.[/p][/quote]Rita Jelf Classes full of kids that can't speak English doesn't help any of the problems you refer to. I do not see how your post in any way can defend mass immigration. Qiute the reverse actually. You've strayed completly away from the topic being discussed. Namely the huge problems due to excessive immigration & EU member ship not just for us but for other EU countries Can I remind you of them; * Low wage immigrants entitled to more than they pay in tax from child benefit, social housing, working family tax credits, NHS, subsidised Nursery care, translators * Mass unemployment , austerity & democracy lost to ECB loan sharks in Med countries * More & more control of our country given away to the emerging EU dictatorship * Low population density E.European countries being further depopulated * Cheap imported labour that drives wages down & take jobs from locals * Classes full of kids that need special lessons in speaking basic English * Being told it's just Daily Mail fiction when we see it with our own eyes * Higher crime per capita commited by the immigrant population * 28,000 or is it 5,000 Romanians I don't care, held for crimes * Higher house prices & rents due to increased demand * More crowded surgeries & longer NHS queues * More risk of power cuts due to more demand * More dependance on food & energy imports * Worst housing shortage since WWII * More & more houses on greenbelt * More & more road congestion * Child grooming gangs * People traffickers * More red tape * More pollution * More crowds * More queues Vote UKIP Pobinr
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4:00pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Dear EUrophiliacs
Please take off your rose tinted specs.
Please watch the two vids from tge links below.
Any right mined operson should be incensed that the freedom & democracy that our forefathers fought a cold war & two world wars to defend, is being dismantled by the devious EU elite polital class who's only aim is to increase their power base in their dream of a federal Europe that almost no one wants!

One of the few men standing up for this country against the emerging EU dictatorship >
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=bJHETdxw

v8Y

The unelected crooks running the EU >
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=YWSYMpuC

FaQ
Dear EUrophiliacs Please take off your rose tinted specs. Please watch the two vids from tge links below. Any right mined operson should be incensed that the freedom & democracy that our forefathers fought a cold war & two world wars to defend, is being dismantled by the devious EU elite polital class who's only aim is to increase their power base in their dream of a federal Europe that almost no one wants! One of the few men standing up for this country against the emerging EU dictatorship > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=bJHETdxw v8Y The unelected crooks running the EU > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=YWSYMpuC FaQ Pobinr
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Dear EUrophiliacs
Please take off your rose tinted specs.
Please watch the two vids from the links below.
Any right mined operson should be incensed that the freedom & democracy that our forefathers fought a cold war & two world wars to defend, is being dismantled by the devious EU elite polital class who's only aim is to increase their power base in their dream of a federal Europe that almost no one wants!

One of the few men standing up for this country against the emerging EU dictatorship >
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=bJHETdxw

v8Y

The unelected crooks running the EU >
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=YWSYMpuC

FaQ
Dear EUrophiliacs Please take off your rose tinted specs. Please watch the two vids from the links below. Any right mined operson should be incensed that the freedom & democracy that our forefathers fought a cold war & two world wars to defend, is being dismantled by the devious EU elite polital class who's only aim is to increase their power base in their dream of a federal Europe that almost no one wants! One of the few men standing up for this country against the emerging EU dictatorship > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=bJHETdxw v8Y The unelected crooks running the EU > https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=YWSYMpuC FaQ Pobinr
  • Score: 1

4:30pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Pobinr says...

Imagine we'd renegotiated with the EU to have as much control of our nation back as we used to have & to have full control of our borders. Including our own waters so the Spanish couldnt't come & take all the fish off our shores.
In other words to be a self governing nation as we were in 1973.
That's what we have to have, but it's never possible in the EU.
By definition the EU is at odds with nationstate democracy. It's a contradiction in terms.
So it's time to leave the EU & negotiate what we were told & therefore what we thought we were were signing up to.
Namely a COMMON MARKET !
Otherwise known as free trade agreements!
Imagine we'd renegotiated with the EU to have as much control of our nation back as we used to have & to have full control of our borders. Including our own waters so the Spanish couldnt't come & take all the fish off our shores. In other words to be a self governing nation as we were in 1973. That's what we have to have, but it's never possible in the EU. By definition the EU is at odds with nationstate democracy. It's a contradiction in terms. So it's time to leave the EU & negotiate what we were told & therefore what we thought we were were signing up to. Namely a COMMON MARKET ! Otherwise known as free trade agreements! Pobinr
  • Score: 1

12:05pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

@ jimmySmith

You said "the biggest issues in this country you fool is the out of control mass immigration into this country"

Why? What impact is it having?


You said " that den of european thieves that go by the the title the E/U "

Why are they thieves?

You Said " .just go on utube and have a gander and see Mr Farage in action at the e/u"

I have seen him, and he is an embarrassment to this country.

You said "and while your at it utube the mass islamization of paris .you silly boy "

So what does islam have to do with the EU?


Do you really have a clue what you are talking about? Or are you just another UKIP sheep blindly following the herd because you like seeing foreign people being insulted by shouty loud mouth yobs like Farrage and Bloom? Come on UKIPer give us some facts or logical explanations as to why Europe is so bad and we have to isolate ourselves from the rest of our European neighbours?
@ jimmySmith You said "the biggest issues in this country you fool is the out of control mass immigration into this country" Why? What impact is it having? You said " that den of european thieves that go by the the title the E/U " Why are they thieves? You Said " .just go on utube and have a gander and see Mr Farage in action at the e/u" I have seen him, and he is an embarrassment to this country. You said "and while your at it utube the mass islamization of paris .you silly boy " So what does islam have to do with the EU? Do you really have a clue what you are talking about? Or are you just another UKIP sheep blindly following the herd because you like seeing foreign people being insulted by shouty loud mouth yobs like Farrage and Bloom? Come on UKIPer give us some facts or logical explanations as to why Europe is so bad and we have to isolate ourselves from the rest of our European neighbours? Duke.Wellington
  • Score: 0

12:08pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Duke.Wellington says...

Pobinr wrote:
Imagine we'd renegotiated with the EU to have as much control of our nation back as we used to have & to have full control of our borders. Including our own waters so the Spanish couldnt't come & take all the fish off our shores.
In other words to be a self governing nation as we were in 1973.
That's what we have to have, but it's never possible in the EU.
By definition the EU is at odds with nationstate democracy. It's a contradiction in terms.
So it's time to leave the EU & negotiate what we were told & therefore what we thought we were were signing up to.
Namely a COMMON MARKET !
Otherwise known as free trade agreements!
Pobinr you make the claim that we are not a self governing nation. What would a self governing nation be able to do that we cannot? What is a self governing nation?
[quote][p][bold]Pobinr[/bold] wrote: Imagine we'd renegotiated with the EU to have as much control of our nation back as we used to have & to have full control of our borders. Including our own waters so the Spanish couldnt't come & take all the fish off our shores. In other words to be a self governing nation as we were in 1973. That's what we have to have, but it's never possible in the EU. By definition the EU is at odds with nationstate democracy. It's a contradiction in terms. So it's time to leave the EU & negotiate what we were told & therefore what we thought we were were signing up to. Namely a COMMON MARKET ! Otherwise known as free trade agreements![/p][/quote]Pobinr you make the claim that we are not a self governing nation. What would a self governing nation be able to do that we cannot? What is a self governing nation? Duke.Wellington
  • Score: 0

1:55pm Fri 22 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

Duke.Wellington wrote:
@ jimmySmith

You said "the biggest issues in this country you fool is the out of control mass immigration into this country"

Why? What impact is it having?


You said " that den of european thieves that go by the the title the E/U "

Why are they thieves?

You Said " .just go on utube and have a gander and see Mr Farage in action at the e/u"

I have seen him, and he is an embarrassment to this country.

You said "and while your at it utube the mass islamization of paris .you silly boy "

So what does islam have to do with the EU?


Do you really have a clue what you are talking about? Or are you just another UKIP sheep blindly following the herd because you like seeing foreign people being insulted by shouty loud mouth yobs like Farrage and Bloom? Come on UKIPer give us some facts or logical explanations as to why Europe is so bad and we have to isolate ourselves from the rest of our European neighbours?
i like seeing foreign people insulted by shouty loud mouth yobs like farage .hhhmmm .one doesnt need two guesses to sus you out ,does one ?
vote ukip folks lets get our once great country back Thank god for nigel farage
[quote][p][bold]Duke.Wellington[/bold] wrote: @ jimmySmith You said "the biggest issues in this country you fool is the out of control mass immigration into this country" Why? What impact is it having? You said " that den of european thieves that go by the the title the E/U " Why are they thieves? You Said " .just go on utube and have a gander and see Mr Farage in action at the e/u" I have seen him, and he is an embarrassment to this country. You said "and while your at it utube the mass islamization of paris .you silly boy " So what does islam have to do with the EU? Do you really have a clue what you are talking about? Or are you just another UKIP sheep blindly following the herd because you like seeing foreign people being insulted by shouty loud mouth yobs like Farrage and Bloom? Come on UKIPer give us some facts or logical explanations as to why Europe is so bad and we have to isolate ourselves from the rest of our European neighbours?[/p][/quote]i like seeing foreign people insulted by shouty loud mouth yobs like farage .hhhmmm .one doesnt need two guesses to sus you out ,does one ? vote ukip folks lets get our once great country back Thank god for nigel farage jimmysmith
  • Score: 1
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