Retailers are relying on free parking decision

AT a time when city centres across the UK are struggling to survive and businesses in central Salisbury are gearing up for the busiest trading period of the year, it is heartening to learn that our local council has made a bold decision to provide free parking on Sundays in the runup to Christmas to encourage Salisbury residents to use local businesses.

Retailers are relying on this business to help recovery from an awful year’s trading that has been made worse by a combination of works on the market square and dissuasive parking charges.

It is clear to anybody running a business in the city that Wiltshire Council has no interest in the long term success of Salisbury as a living, breathing city, but sees it as a cash-cow that can be used to subsidise less successful parts of the county further north.

The fact that Salisbury City Council has been forced to accept the estimated £17,000 cost of supporting local businesses may not be right or just – I agree with those members of the council (and Alan Clarke) that the introduction of free Sunday parking over the Christmas period should be something that Wiltshire Council is enthusiastic to support.

However, the fact is that Wiltshire is not prepared to support business in Salisbury and that “no action” is not an option.

Be under no illusion that without a strong Christmas trading period we will see a number of local businesses putting up the shutters in the new year.

As a city centre independent retailer, working hard to keep Salisbury a place people want to come to, there were two lines in the article (Journal, November 28) that made my blood boil.

First of these was Alan Clarke’s objection to funding being used to “pay for parking for people from outside of Salisbury”.

This is wrong on two counts.

The first being that the majority of Salisbury residents live outside the ring road and will appreciate being able to drive into the city centre to shop and spend time on a Sunday.

The second being that we need people from outside of the city to visit here if the centre is going to survive.

The second is the comment by Cllr Tomes about this being a “knee-jerk, publicity seeking gesture”, again wrong on two counts.

City centre businesses have been asking for help to reduce the “visitor inhibitor” of Sunday parking charges for more than two years and, secondly, where is the publicity?

There has been no communication to local businesses of this measure, which would mean we could plan this into our marketing spend, and I am not aware of any publicity aimed at people outside Salisbury designed to bring them here over the Christmas period.

SIMON WOOD, The Strawberry Fox, Salisbury

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8:37pm Wed 4 Dec 13

Schoolmum999 says...

Mr Wood, you are entirely correct in what you say. My family and I live in Salisbury, but outside of the ring road and rarely venture into the city centre. This is partially due to the parking charges, which are punitive. The fact that Wiltshire Council fail to support the free parking scheme speaks volumes about the fact that Salisbury is just viewed as a cash cow. And OMG charging Salisbury Council £17,000! The **** cheek!

How many residents and business owners have to keep raising these concerns before someone at Wiltshire Council listen?
Mr Wood, you are entirely correct in what you say. My family and I live in Salisbury, but outside of the ring road and rarely venture into the city centre. This is partially due to the parking charges, which are punitive. The fact that Wiltshire Council fail to support the free parking scheme speaks volumes about the fact that Salisbury is just viewed as a cash cow. And OMG charging Salisbury Council £17,000! The **** cheek! How many residents and business owners have to keep raising these concerns before someone at Wiltshire Council listen? Schoolmum999

10:31am Thu 5 Dec 13

KeithMandemant says...

Thank you Simon, a good measured view point. I agree and fully support you.
We need to keep Salisbury an interesting and viable place for people to come to.
Thank you Simon, a good measured view point. I agree and fully support you. We need to keep Salisbury an interesting and viable place for people to come to. KeithMandemant

12:43pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Tom Corbin says...

Without going into long detail I would like to clarify one point. The main reason half the Councillors voted against is not just that the cost will be carried by an anticipated increase to the precept on all the Salisbury residents. It is also that the City Councillors are all to aware that there is very likely to be a massive increase to the precept in the new year. Whilst we are all very eager to support the City businesses we are also in the position of having to decide how much above the approximated £1.30 for a band D property for the parking charges the precept will rise and possibly balance this with cuts which could also conceivably mean Salisbury City jobs. On the basis of this, is why Cllr Tomes rightly made his comments. I am at the forefront of the campaign for reducing parking charges, but my one of my aims is not at the unnecessary cost to the City residents.
Without going into long detail I would like to clarify one point. The main reason half the Councillors voted against is not just that the cost will be carried by an anticipated increase to the precept on all the Salisbury residents. It is also that the City Councillors are all to aware that there is very likely to be a massive increase to the precept in the new year. Whilst we are all very eager to support the City businesses we are also in the position of having to decide how much above the approximated £1.30 for a band D property for the parking charges the precept will rise and possibly balance this with cuts which could also conceivably mean Salisbury City jobs. On the basis of this, is why Cllr Tomes rightly made his comments. I am at the forefront of the campaign for reducing parking charges, but my one of my aims is not at the unnecessary cost to the City residents. Tom Corbin

3:13pm Thu 5 Dec 13

karlmarx says...

The cost of parking and, the offers of free parking are but one of the many considerations to be taken into account. Probably the most important consideration is of course, do people have any money to spend in the first place? Six years on from the global economic meltdown and the answer remains no...

Recovery far off for families as disposable income sees biggest drop for 25 years. Families have seen the biggest drop in disposable income for more than 25 years amid warnings of “unprecedented” pressure on living standards.
The Office for National Statistics made the bleak assessment of the state of family finances shortly after the Chancellor, George Osborne, declared that the economy was moving “out of intensive care” and into recovery.
A major study has also concluded that official figures could be masking the true scale of pressure on family finances, particularly working couples with children.
An annual report by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation concluded that a typical couple, both of whom work full-time, who have two children, would now need an annual income of just under £39,000 to maintain a “minimum” standard of living.
The amount of money needed to afford ordinary – but not gourmet – food, clothes and leisure activities has risen by 25 per cent since the onset of the economic downturn in 2008, it concluded.

The report concludes that families with children have borne the brunt of the economic pressure, being hit by the rising cost of childcare, food and fuel at a time when wages have frozen or are rising slower than inflation.
The combined effect of rapid rises in everyday expenses while wages have been falling in real terms has created an “unprecedented erosion of household living standards”, the report concludes.
Donald Hirsch, its author, said there was a “growing gulf” between the standard of life considered normal and the amount of money needed to maintain it.

Just how free parking is going to solve the much wider implications of not having any disposable income remains a mystery.
The cost of parking and, the offers of free parking are but one of the many considerations to be taken into account. Probably the most important consideration is of course, do people have any money to spend in the first place? Six years on from the global economic meltdown and the answer remains no... Recovery far off for families as disposable income sees biggest drop for 25 years. Families have seen the biggest drop in disposable income for more than 25 years amid warnings of “unprecedented” pressure on living standards. The Office for National Statistics made the bleak assessment of the state of family finances shortly after the Chancellor, George Osborne, declared that the economy was moving “out of intensive care” and into recovery. A major study has also concluded that official figures could be masking the true scale of pressure on family finances, particularly working couples with children. An annual report by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation concluded that a typical couple, both of whom work full-time, who have two children, would now need an annual income of just under £39,000 to maintain a “minimum” standard of living. The amount of money needed to afford ordinary – but not gourmet – food, clothes and leisure activities has risen by 25 per cent since the onset of the economic downturn in 2008, it concluded. The report concludes that families with children have borne the brunt of the economic pressure, being hit by the rising cost of childcare, food and fuel at a time when wages have frozen or are rising slower than inflation. The combined effect of rapid rises in everyday expenses while wages have been falling in real terms has created an “unprecedented erosion of household living standards”, the report concludes. Donald Hirsch, its author, said there was a “growing gulf” between the standard of life considered normal and the amount of money needed to maintain it. Just how free parking is going to solve the much wider implications of not having any disposable income remains a mystery. karlmarx

5:17pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Sustainer says...

Schoolmum999 stated "The fact that Wiltshire Council fail to support the free parking scheme speaks volumes about the fact that Salisbury is just viewed as a cash cow. And OMG charging Salisbury Council £17,000! The **** cheek!"

Not true. It is a matter of record that the revenue from parking charges on the 6 Sundays of December and early January have historically been more than £30,000. The City Council agreed to reimburse £17,000 and WCC covered the rest. All the Park and Rides for the four Saturdays of the Christmas Market are also free. Funny old thing but WCC is supporting the City in this instance. The scandal is that so many City councillors opposed helping our businesses.

for someone who ' rarely ventures into the city centre' perhaps the anger at those who do is misplaced in this instance.
Schoolmum999 stated "The fact that Wiltshire Council fail to support the free parking scheme speaks volumes about the fact that Salisbury is just viewed as a cash cow. And OMG charging Salisbury Council £17,000! The **** cheek!" Not true. It is a matter of record that the revenue from parking charges on the 6 Sundays of December and early January have historically been more than £30,000. The City Council agreed to reimburse £17,000 and WCC covered the rest. All the Park and Rides for the four Saturdays of the Christmas Market are also free. Funny old thing but WCC is supporting the City in this instance. The scandal is that so many City councillors opposed helping our businesses. for someone who ' rarely ventures into the city centre' perhaps the anger at those who do is misplaced in this instance. Sustainer

7:23pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Schoolmum999 says...

Sustainer, I don't see how factoring in Sundays which are not included (early January) is comparing apples with apples. So the £30,000 you mention is not really Wiltshire Council giving Salisbury anything. Part of my point is that I might venture in the city centre more often if is wasn't so expensive to park.
Sustainer, I don't see how factoring in Sundays which are not included (early January) is comparing apples with apples. So the £30,000 you mention is not really Wiltshire Council giving Salisbury anything. Part of my point is that I might venture in the city centre more often if is wasn't so expensive to park. Schoolmum999

10:32am Fri 6 Dec 13

simontalking says...

Tom and all those counsellors that voted against Free Sundays just dont get it.
£1.30 on the precept to cover it ? surely if as all of us retailers are saying ( because we actually know!!) If WCC reduced parking ,ore would park in salisbury andyou would raise the difference easily.

£1.30 is not a lot to save an Indie.
Look at the town.
4 stores shut in Blue Boar row, Brian Leonards closed. Cross Keys book shop closing, anothe large corporate closing in the new year.

If you dont act now there will be no where worth shopping in Salisbury.

waitrose car park cant cope. 3 hours free parking. Enough time to walk into town..and do your supermarket shop. So that just indicates the psychology of the shopper.!!

All those that voted it through FREE PARKING ON SUNDAYS YOU WERE RIGHT TO DO IT.
Theresa x
Tom and all those counsellors that voted against Free Sundays just dont get it. £1.30 on the precept to cover it ? surely if as all of us retailers are saying ( because we actually know!!) If WCC reduced parking ,ore would park in salisbury andyou would raise the difference easily. £1.30 is not a lot to save an Indie. Look at the town. 4 stores shut in Blue Boar row, Brian Leonards closed. Cross Keys book shop closing, anothe large corporate closing in the new year. If you dont act now there will be no where worth shopping in Salisbury. waitrose car park cant cope. 3 hours free parking. Enough time to walk into town..and do your supermarket shop. So that just indicates the psychology of the shopper.!! All those that voted it through FREE PARKING ON SUNDAYS YOU WERE RIGHT TO DO IT. Theresa x simontalking

7:00pm Sat 7 Dec 13

journalist1 says...

What's the large corporate that's closing in the New Year, Theresa?
What's the large corporate that's closing in the New Year, Theresa? journalist1

5:21am Sun 8 Dec 13

karlmarx says...

Maybe they should just have free parking for members of parliament only, after all, they will be getting a bumper pay rise of £6,300 PA, that's an 11% hike. Plenty of disposable income there to spend in our city's shops.
Maybe they should just have free parking for members of parliament only, after all, they will be getting a bumper pay rise of £6,300 PA, that's an 11% hike. Plenty of disposable income there to spend in our city's shops. karlmarx

10:27am Sun 8 Dec 13

simontalking says...

Since publishing the Journal published my earlier letter in response to offering free Sunday parking in Salisbury we have had several colourful contacts from local Councilors either to support the line taken or to critisise for being unfairly negative about them. The only thing I can be sure of from this is the main points I was trying to make have been missed.

Firstly I wanted to criticise WCC for not being prepared to fund this measure to support local traders in Salisbury.

Secondly I wanted to congratulate Salisbury City Council for taking a positive decision to help sustain the struggling commercial life of City despite the best efforts of Wiltshire County Council to drive business out of town.

Thirdly I wanted to criticise both sides for only finalising an agreement in November.

If the benefits of this decision ( or other similar initatives ) are to be maximised, it is essential that businesses actually know about this in advance so that we are able build this into our marketing and communication plans. Realisiticaly this was an argument to be had in Spring 12 with a decision no later than August!

Independent retailers would have been able to advertise additional Sunday opening hours supported by free parking. Restaurants and hotels also. The city center shopping mall operators would have been able to use this to support their pre-Christmas build up as would the local branches of national chain operators. Instead of this we saw all of the cost and no effort to maximise return.

Salisbury City Council is to be congratulated on doing what they can to support the commercial life of the City. It is only a shame that the opportunity to maximise return on this investment was missed. Perhaps I could suggest that the debate with Wiltshire CC for support of Christmas 2014 be scheduled as soon as take-up and parking occupancy stats are known for this year?
Since publishing the Journal published my earlier letter in response to offering free Sunday parking in Salisbury we have had several colourful contacts from local Councilors either to support the line taken or to critisise for being unfairly negative about them. The only thing I can be sure of from this is the main points I was trying to make have been missed. Firstly I wanted to criticise WCC for not being prepared to fund this measure to support local traders in Salisbury. Secondly I wanted to congratulate Salisbury City Council for taking a positive decision to help sustain the struggling commercial life of City despite the best efforts of Wiltshire County Council to drive business out of town. Thirdly I wanted to criticise both sides for only finalising an agreement in November. If the benefits of this decision ( or other similar initatives ) are to be maximised, it is essential that businesses actually know about this in advance so that we are able build this into our marketing and communication plans. Realisiticaly this was an argument to be had in Spring 12 with a decision no later than August! Independent retailers would have been able to advertise additional Sunday opening hours supported by free parking. Restaurants and hotels also. The city center shopping mall operators would have been able to use this to support their pre-Christmas build up as would the local branches of national chain operators. Instead of this we saw all of the cost and no effort to maximise return. Salisbury City Council is to be congratulated on doing what they can to support the commercial life of the City. It is only a shame that the opportunity to maximise return on this investment was missed. Perhaps I could suggest that the debate with Wiltshire CC for support of Christmas 2014 be scheduled as soon as take-up and parking occupancy stats are known for this year? simontalking

10:54am Sun 8 Dec 13

simontalking says...

Tom Corbin comment.. "It is also that the City Councillors are all to aware that there is very likely to be a massive increase to the precept in the new year."

When will the Council recognise that parking revenues are NOT an income stream an operating cost which councils are supposed to manage in order to optimise use of parking capacity. All councils are supposed aim to make parking management revenue neutral at best with specific rules about what can be done with "profits" where an excess is made.

I have some sympathy with Salisbury City Council as it would seem that Wiltshire CC are not playing their part. As a city resident however it would be much more reassuring to read about what is actually being done to support Wiltshire's high streets rather than talking about future "massive increases" at a time when the current front page of the journal is carrying a story about our Councillors awarding themselves a 22% pay increase.

Come on Council...talk to us.
Tom Corbin comment.. "It is also that the City Councillors are all to aware that there is very likely to be a massive increase to the precept in the new year." When will the Council recognise that parking revenues are NOT an income stream an operating cost which councils are supposed to manage in order to optimise use of parking capacity. All councils are supposed aim to make parking management revenue neutral at best with specific rules about what can be done with "profits" where an excess is made. I have some sympathy with Salisbury City Council as it would seem that Wiltshire CC are not playing their part. As a city resident however it would be much more reassuring to read about what is actually being done to support Wiltshire's high streets rather than talking about future "massive increases" at a time when the current front page of the journal is carrying a story about our Councillors awarding themselves a 22% pay increase. Come on Council...talk to us. simontalking

8:40am Tue 10 Dec 13

Richard Clewer says...

I agree that parking revenues should not have ever started to be used as more than a tool to control localised congestion by Councils. Sadly that changed nationally a long time ago. Both the District Council and now Wiltshire Council make more money from car parking than it costs to run. That money is however all spent on supporting local public transport, something which is particularly important in Salisbury where 27% of residents don't have a car (33% in the City Centre Wards).

The actual cost of the free Sunday parking in lost revenue will be between £30,000 and £40,000 according to the estimates Officers have given (there will be an impact on people not shopping on Saturday but instead comming in on Sunday, particularly while the Market is running on both days). I have persuaded Wiltshire to waive the rest of that money so both Councils are contributing to this proposal. I have also had an extra free Park and Ride day allocated to the City (normally we get 4 a year, this year we are getting 5). It would be nice to have offered the free Sunday parking without worrying about the revenue implications. Sadly though the finances of Wiltshire Council are under a great deal of pressure due to the National need to bring spending under control. Any reduction in income either results in cuts to services or taxes needing to be raised else where. We have done everything we can to keep Council Tax down. There have been no increases for 5 years now, something which has a serious positive impact on household finances. It would be great to be able to lower parking charges but we can only do that if we can work out how to deal with the financial implications to other services. Services like subsidised bus routes which people without cars rely on to be able to get about. We can only reduce the tax we make from parking if we know what we are going to stop, or how we are going to raise more money. I wish that was not the case but it is the reality of the situation.

It is simply not fair to say that Wiltshsire Council does not 'care' about Salisbury. I have made sure we are getting significant investment from Wiltshire. The Market Place re-furbishment has brought £3 million in. The Christmas Market was only possible due to a £40,000 loan from Wiltshire Council, a loan which we have not asked for back to help the Market continue to grow. We have the £8 million Campus about to start development which will provide major new community facilites as well as a new home for the Youth and Adult Disability Learning Services (including Bass Connections). We are enabling the creation of the University Technical College, supporting the new 6th Form College as well as the work around a potential new University. Salisbury has got a great deal more out of Wiltshire Council than the other large towns in the County.

With regard to Councillors allowances, the basic rate increased by 1% to £12,289 per year. The special responsibilty allowances increased by more, I now get £6,912 as Porftolio holder for housing. A total of £19,201 per year. I put in an average of aprox 55 hours a week on Council work (it is will over the equivalent of a full time job and I could not do it without my wifes support at our business). That is a total of £6.71 an hour, well below the living wage that many of the contributors above are so keen on. I think we have got to make sure that anyone who is interested and committed can stand for election as a Councillor, not just the retired or independently wealthy. To do that the job has to pay enough to make it viable for someone with a young family to take on, I am not sure it is quite there yet mysefl.
I agree that parking revenues should not have ever started to be used as more than a tool to control localised congestion by Councils. Sadly that changed nationally a long time ago. Both the District Council and now Wiltshire Council make more money from car parking than it costs to run. That money is however all spent on supporting local public transport, something which is particularly important in Salisbury where 27% of residents don't have a car (33% in the City Centre Wards). The actual cost of the free Sunday parking in lost revenue will be between £30,000 and £40,000 according to the estimates Officers have given (there will be an impact on people not shopping on Saturday but instead comming in on Sunday, particularly while the Market is running on both days). I have persuaded Wiltshire to waive the rest of that money so both Councils are contributing to this proposal. I have also had an extra free Park and Ride day allocated to the City (normally we get 4 a year, this year we are getting 5). It would be nice to have offered the free Sunday parking without worrying about the revenue implications. Sadly though the finances of Wiltshire Council are under a great deal of pressure due to the National need to bring spending under control. Any reduction in income either results in cuts to services or taxes needing to be raised else where. We have done everything we can to keep Council Tax down. There have been no increases for 5 years now, something which has a serious positive impact on household finances. It would be great to be able to lower parking charges but we can only do that if we can work out how to deal with the financial implications to other services. Services like subsidised bus routes which people without cars rely on to be able to get about. We can only reduce the tax we make from parking if we know what we are going to stop, or how we are going to raise more money. I wish that was not the case but it is the reality of the situation. It is simply not fair to say that Wiltshsire Council does not 'care' about Salisbury. I have made sure we are getting significant investment from Wiltshire. The Market Place re-furbishment has brought £3 million in. The Christmas Market was only possible due to a £40,000 loan from Wiltshire Council, a loan which we have not asked for back to help the Market continue to grow. We have the £8 million Campus about to start development which will provide major new community facilites as well as a new home for the Youth and Adult Disability Learning Services (including Bass Connections). We are enabling the creation of the University Technical College, supporting the new 6th Form College as well as the work around a potential new University. Salisbury has got a great deal more out of Wiltshire Council than the other large towns in the County. With regard to Councillors allowances, the basic rate increased by 1% to £12,289 per year. The special responsibilty allowances increased by more, I now get £6,912 as Porftolio holder for housing. A total of £19,201 per year. I put in an average of aprox 55 hours a week on Council work (it is will over the equivalent of a full time job and I could not do it without my wifes support at our business). That is a total of £6.71 an hour, well below the living wage that many of the contributors above are so keen on. I think we have got to make sure that anyone who is interested and committed can stand for election as a Councillor, not just the retired or independently wealthy. To do that the job has to pay enough to make it viable for someone with a young family to take on, I am not sure it is quite there yet mysefl. Richard Clewer

9:29am Tue 10 Dec 13

HBF says...

Judging by how full the Central Car Park was last Sunday morning by 1030 with drivers having difficulty finding a space before it was even midday surely this can be judged a success? A review of car park charges will commence next year so SCC is to be congratulated for taking the bold step of doing something positive in the interim - and getting a discount from WC!
Judging by how full the Central Car Park was last Sunday morning by 1030 with drivers having difficulty finding a space before it was even midday surely this can be judged a success? A review of car park charges will commence next year so SCC is to be congratulated for taking the bold step of doing something positive in the interim - and getting a discount from WC! HBF

11:49am Tue 10 Dec 13

simontalking says...

Richard.. "I agree that parking revenues should not have ever started to be used as more than a tool to control localised congestion by Councils. Sadly that changed nationally a long time ago. Both the District Council and now Wiltshire Council make more money from car parking than it costs to run. That money is however all spent on supporting local public transport, something which is particularly important in Salisbury where 27% of residents don't have a car (33% in the City Centre Wards)".

I think we all know that the above is the real source of the excessive charges we have in place and that for so long as Wiltshire CC are unwilling to detox from this "free" revenue stream it is always going to be an uphill struggle for Salisbury CC to remedy. Like any addiction however there are long term consequences...and in this case there is a real possibility that the city centre will lose further businesses, wither and die as the essential critical mass required to attract visitors to the city is lost.

Supporting public transport is a core responsibility of councils and as such, should be funded out of the general rates charges without a reliance on the "accidental" benefit of a parking charges excess. Simply underfunding the ringfenced values for public transport and replacing this with parking derived revenues is not a long-term solution and also seems to be against the spirit of court rulings made earlier in 2013..It will be interesting to see how soon this practice is tested on court also!

Keep up the battle Richard, we know this is a difficult issue to resolve but it is an essential one for the future of the city. A renewed market place has little value if nobody is using it!
Richard.. "I agree that parking revenues should not have ever started to be used as more than a tool to control localised congestion by Councils. Sadly that changed nationally a long time ago. Both the District Council and now Wiltshire Council make more money from car parking than it costs to run. That money is however all spent on supporting local public transport, something which is particularly important in Salisbury where 27% of residents don't have a car (33% in the City Centre Wards)". I think we all know that the above is the real source of the excessive charges we have in place and that for so long as Wiltshire CC are unwilling to detox from this "free" revenue stream it is always going to be an uphill struggle for Salisbury CC to remedy. Like any addiction however there are long term consequences...and in this case there is a real possibility that the city centre will lose further businesses, wither and die as the essential critical mass required to attract visitors to the city is lost. Supporting public transport is a core responsibility of councils and as such, should be funded out of the general rates charges without a reliance on the "accidental" benefit of a parking charges excess. Simply underfunding the ringfenced values for public transport and replacing this with parking derived revenues is not a long-term solution and also seems to be against the spirit of court rulings made earlier in 2013..It will be interesting to see how soon this practice is tested on court also! Keep up the battle Richard, we know this is a difficult issue to resolve but it is an essential one for the future of the city. A renewed market place has little value if nobody is using it! simontalking

11:52am Tue 10 Dec 13

simontalking says...

karlmarx wrote:
Maybe they should just have free parking for members of parliament only, after all, they will be getting a bumper pay rise of £6,300 PA, that's an 11% hike. Plenty of disposable income there to spend in our city's shops.
fantastic point
[quote][p][bold]karlmarx[/bold] wrote: Maybe they should just have free parking for members of parliament only, after all, they will be getting a bumper pay rise of £6,300 PA, that's an 11% hike. Plenty of disposable income there to spend in our city's shops.[/p][/quote]fantastic point simontalking

12:05pm Tue 10 Dec 13

simontalking says...

This is Theresa...

Richard whilst i agree that Salisbury needs refurbishment. I cannot see how refurbishing the market square brought in £3million?
If you talk to ANY retailer around the square it seriously cost businesses money.

It took 75% YES 75% of my trade away.

There has been NO help to those who applied for a rates rebate. I just managed to get a a take it or leave in 10% off or told to wait another year for a decision.

Transport cost subsidies are ridiculous. So many come in on the buses are wealthy enough to pay and have a free buss pass. The park and ride services have a long way to go tp prove themselves.

To envcourage shoppers the parking should always be free after 4pm and on Sundays.

WCC wouldn't lose any money as they could reschedule the contracts of the parking attendants.

It was very interesting the other day that there was a WCC meeting in the Red Lion. They complained about having to move their cars every 3 hours.
THEY could have used the park and ride!

And please please advise that there will be NO building on salt lane carpark. We need spaces in town not a reduction and we need a variety of long term stays too. So you can shop til you drop...

Any advice required on parking ..I am happy to help. I can tell you what works as i can see it straight away on my till ring.

All the best T
This is Theresa... Richard whilst i agree that Salisbury needs refurbishment. I cannot see how refurbishing the market square brought in £3million? If you talk to ANY retailer around the square it seriously cost businesses money. It took 75% YES 75% of my trade away. There has been NO help to those who applied for a rates rebate. I just managed to get a a take it or leave in 10% off or told to wait another year for a decision. Transport cost subsidies are ridiculous. So many come in on the buses are wealthy enough to pay and have a free buss pass. The park and ride services have a long way to go tp prove themselves. To envcourage shoppers the parking should always be free after 4pm and on Sundays. WCC wouldn't lose any money as they could reschedule the contracts of the parking attendants. It was very interesting the other day that there was a WCC meeting in the Red Lion. They complained about having to move their cars every 3 hours. THEY could have used the park and ride! And please please advise that there will be NO building on salt lane carpark. We need spaces in town not a reduction and we need a variety of long term stays too. So you can shop til you drop... Any advice required on parking ..I am happy to help. I can tell you what works as i can see it straight away on my till ring. All the best T simontalking

9:27am Wed 11 Dec 13

whiteparishoner says...

Quote from above: "It was very interesting the other day that there was a WCC meeting in the Red Lion. They complained about having to move their cars every 3 hours.
THEY could have used the park and ride!"

Excellent idea. All council meeting attendees must use the P&R facility to show how useful it is. Oh, wait a minute, it doesn't operate after 7pm and is ridiculously inconvenient. Never mind.

I wholeheartedly agree about Salt Lane not beiong redeveloped. Every scheme which is proposed reduces parking provision. We need the reverse.
Quote from above: "It was very interesting the other day that there was a WCC meeting in the Red Lion. They complained about having to move their cars every 3 hours. THEY could have used the park and ride!" Excellent idea. All council meeting attendees must use the P&R facility to show how useful it is. Oh, wait a minute, it doesn't operate after 7pm and is ridiculously inconvenient. Never mind. I wholeheartedly agree about Salt Lane not beiong redeveloped. Every scheme which is proposed reduces parking provision. We need the reverse. whiteparishoner

9:57am Wed 11 Dec 13

Richard Clewer says...

The Vision inital document does identify Salt Lane and Brown Street for re-development. I do not agree with this and have made that point very clearly in discussions about parking in Salisbury. I have arranges for Salt Lane to become the new location for van parking, particularly once Central Car Park starts to be developed in the Maltings project. While there will be replacement parking on the maltings site that will be in the form of low multi storey parking which will not allow vans access. Brown street has been designated for motorcycle parking (it should have already been marked up at the North end for motorbikes but the closure of the bus station has delayed that, it will be done very shortly). The Vision working group on parking has identified it as the best site for short stay coach parking and as such I don't think that will stop being a car park either.

There is a much bigger question about parking in the city. If you have looked at our car parks over the last two weekends (my family are starting to wonder how I have developed an obsession for visiting our car parks over a weekend) they have been packed. If we are going to continue to make the Christmas market one of the main planks of our strategy to attract people to the city we have got to consider making sure there is enough parking when the market is on. I hope we will see a summer market soon as well which should give us another parking problem with a bit of luck. I think in light of that we need to have a strategy which ensures we retain sufficient parking both with park and ride and city centre parking. I am not sure the old district council strategy (which is what we are still working to) is the right way to go.

I only have information on the impact of the free Sunday parking from talking to shop owners but the ones I have spoken to have noticed a major increase in trade on the last two Sundays along with a slight decrease on Saturday.
The Vision inital document does identify Salt Lane and Brown Street for re-development. I do not agree with this and have made that point very clearly in discussions about parking in Salisbury. I have arranges for Salt Lane to become the new location for van parking, particularly once Central Car Park starts to be developed in the Maltings project. While there will be replacement parking on the maltings site that will be in the form of low multi storey parking which will not allow vans access. Brown street has been designated for motorcycle parking (it should have already been marked up at the North end for motorbikes but the closure of the bus station has delayed that, it will be done very shortly). The Vision working group on parking has identified it as the best site for short stay coach parking and as such I don't think that will stop being a car park either. There is a much bigger question about parking in the city. If you have looked at our car parks over the last two weekends (my family are starting to wonder how I have developed an obsession for visiting our car parks over a weekend) they have been packed. If we are going to continue to make the Christmas market one of the main planks of our strategy to attract people to the city we have got to consider making sure there is enough parking when the market is on. I hope we will see a summer market soon as well which should give us another parking problem with a bit of luck. I think in light of that we need to have a strategy which ensures we retain sufficient parking both with park and ride and city centre parking. I am not sure the old district council strategy (which is what we are still working to) is the right way to go. I only have information on the impact of the free Sunday parking from talking to shop owners but the ones I have spoken to have noticed a major increase in trade on the last two Sundays along with a slight decrease on Saturday. Richard Clewer

11:46am Wed 11 Dec 13

simontalking says...

Surely the Council's ace up the sleeve in all of this is the much under-used council owned mutli-story carpark we have at Culver Street. I understand this is currently averaging only 15% capacity usage which...at a guess means it is probably operating at a loss?
The Council - either Salisbury or Wiltshire, which-ever owns it. Could win all parking discussion by letting the public know what positive steps they are taking to increase usage of this location (528 spaces, needs paint, lighting, pay-on exit, pricing, pedestrian signage to and from town), it is after all a custom built location no further by foot from central shopping locations than the Central carpark & divisible into permit, long term and short term zones.
Surely the Council's ace up the sleeve in all of this is the much under-used council owned mutli-story carpark we have at Culver Street. I understand this is currently averaging only 15% capacity usage which...at a guess means it is probably operating at a loss? The Council - either Salisbury or Wiltshire, which-ever owns it. Could win all parking discussion by letting the public know what positive steps they are taking to increase usage of this location (528 spaces, needs paint, lighting, pay-on exit, pricing, pedestrian signage to and from town), it is after all a custom built location no further by foot from central shopping locations than the Central carpark & divisible into permit, long term and short term zones. simontalking

11:53am Wed 11 Dec 13

Richard Clewer says...

You could almost be reading my mind. Culver Street is running at about 10% capacity on the latest figures. I have already had discussions with the Cabinet Member about how we could look at incentivising people to use Culver Street more. The idea of opening it on Sunday but not charging to use it was raised. I guess it is a case of watch this space.

I think we have real momentum now to see more positive action early next year in the run up to the review. I am also talking about this with the BID.
You could almost be reading my mind. Culver Street is running at about 10% capacity on the latest figures. I have already had discussions with the Cabinet Member about how we could look at incentivising people to use Culver Street more. The idea of opening it on Sunday but not charging to use it was raised. I guess it is a case of watch this space. I think we have real momentum now to see more positive action early next year in the run up to the review. I am also talking about this with the BID. Richard Clewer

1:38pm Wed 11 Dec 13

drblade1889 says...

Why not do what the New Forest do, let locals pay for a yearly pass to park for free and then any outside visitors can pay the normal charges??

It's not difficult!
Why not do what the New Forest do, let locals pay for a yearly pass to park for free and then any outside visitors can pay the normal charges?? It's not difficult! drblade1889

3:02am Thu 12 Dec 13

IanMcL says...

Christmas - Car Park s full.... Could there be a link?

Annual car park pass? There is one available, if you want one.
Christmas - Car Park s full.... Could there be a link? Annual car park pass? There is one available, if you want one. IanMcL

10:41am Thu 12 Dec 13

gingin says...

simontalking wrote:
Surely the Council's ace up the sleeve in all of this is the much under-used council owned mutli-story carpark we have at Culver Street. I understand this is currently averaging only 15% capacity usage which...at a guess means it is probably operating at a loss?
The Council - either Salisbury or Wiltshire, which-ever owns it. Could win all parking discussion by letting the public know what positive steps they are taking to increase usage of this location (528 spaces, needs paint, lighting, pay-on exit, pricing, pedestrian signage to and from town), it is after all a custom built location no further by foot from central shopping locations than the Central carpark & divisible into permit, long term and short term zones.
Absolutely, pay on exit has to be the way forward plus all the other points! Nobody wants this guess how long you are going to be shopping anymore and watching the time for fear of a huge parking fine for being a few minutes late.

The earlier this is sorted out the more people will shop in Salisbury instead of neighbouring towns and cities. Why Wiltshire council is dragging it's heels when this is clearly what the residents want is only making the situation worse.

If they can accept a large pay/allowance rise then they can reduce the parking fees and introduce pay on exit. It's time to stop messing about and do the right thing for Salisbury.
[quote][p][bold]simontalking[/bold] wrote: Surely the Council's ace up the sleeve in all of this is the much under-used council owned mutli-story carpark we have at Culver Street. I understand this is currently averaging only 15% capacity usage which...at a guess means it is probably operating at a loss? The Council - either Salisbury or Wiltshire, which-ever owns it. Could win all parking discussion by letting the public know what positive steps they are taking to increase usage of this location (528 spaces, needs paint, lighting, pay-on exit, pricing, pedestrian signage to and from town), it is after all a custom built location no further by foot from central shopping locations than the Central carpark & divisible into permit, long term and short term zones.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, pay on exit has to be the way forward plus all the other points! Nobody wants this guess how long you are going to be shopping anymore and watching the time for fear of a huge parking fine for being a few minutes late. The earlier this is sorted out the more people will shop in Salisbury instead of neighbouring towns and cities. Why Wiltshire council is dragging it's heels when this is clearly what the residents want is only making the situation worse. If they can accept a large pay/allowance rise then they can reduce the parking fees and introduce pay on exit. It's time to stop messing about and do the right thing for Salisbury. gingin

10:42am Thu 12 Dec 13

gingin says...

simontalking wrote:
Surely the Council's ace up the sleeve in all of this is the much under-used council owned mutli-story carpark we have at Culver Street. I understand this is currently averaging only 15% capacity usage which...at a guess means it is probably operating at a loss?
The Council - either Salisbury or Wiltshire, which-ever owns it. Could win all parking discussion by letting the public know what positive steps they are taking to increase usage of this location (528 spaces, needs paint, lighting, pay-on exit, pricing, pedestrian signage to and from town), it is after all a custom built location no further by foot from central shopping locations than the Central carpark & divisible into permit, long term and short term zones.
Absolutely, pay on exit has to be the way forward plus all the other points! Nobody wants this guess how long you are going to be shopping anymore and watching the time for fear of a huge parking fine for being a few minutes late.

The earlier this is sorted out the more people will shop in Salisbury instead of neighbouring towns and cities. Why Wiltshire council is dragging it's heels when this is clearly what the residents want is only making the situation worse.

If they can accept a large pay/allowance rise then they can reduce the parking fees and introduce pay on exit. It's time to stop messing about and do the right thing for Salisbury.
[quote][p][bold]simontalking[/bold] wrote: Surely the Council's ace up the sleeve in all of this is the much under-used council owned mutli-story carpark we have at Culver Street. I understand this is currently averaging only 15% capacity usage which...at a guess means it is probably operating at a loss? The Council - either Salisbury or Wiltshire, which-ever owns it. Could win all parking discussion by letting the public know what positive steps they are taking to increase usage of this location (528 spaces, needs paint, lighting, pay-on exit, pricing, pedestrian signage to and from town), it is after all a custom built location no further by foot from central shopping locations than the Central carpark & divisible into permit, long term and short term zones.[/p][/quote]Absolutely, pay on exit has to be the way forward plus all the other points! Nobody wants this guess how long you are going to be shopping anymore and watching the time for fear of a huge parking fine for being a few minutes late. The earlier this is sorted out the more people will shop in Salisbury instead of neighbouring towns and cities. Why Wiltshire council is dragging it's heels when this is clearly what the residents want is only making the situation worse. If they can accept a large pay/allowance rise then they can reduce the parking fees and introduce pay on exit. It's time to stop messing about and do the right thing for Salisbury. gingin

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