Sainsbury's would cause flood problems

First published in Salisbury Letters

ACCORDING to the Daily Telegraph, the inquiry into the 2007 summer floods concluded that the reason why so many properties, nationwide, are vulnerable to flooding is because there has been so much building on floodplains.

Previously, these had been considered no-go areas for development.

And it’s not only the properties on floodplains that get flooded.

Because these developments occupy former flood storage areas, flooding now extends beyond the floodplains.

Despite the rivers that converge on our city, draining most of south Wiltshire, Salisbury has not experienced the sort of flooding faced by other towns and cities.

The reason is that, over many years, the Avon and Nadder floodplains have been protected and kept free from development.

As a former district councillor, I’m proud to have played a small part in this protection.

So what is so special about Sainsbury’s that they should expect to be exempt from the proven and eminently correct planning policy and allowed to build on the Avon floodplain next to Southampton Road?

Your report (Journal, January 2) says they are to have talks with ‘statutory consultees’.

Apparently this bears the wonderfully weasel title of ‘scoping application’.

Rather than devise a number of ‘impact statements’ (whatever they are) there is only one message for the council to convey to Sainsbury’s – on your bike, and steer well clear of Salisbury’s floodplains.

MALCOLM READ, West Grimstead

THE picture of the flood plain doing what it has always done, (SJOpinion, January 9), brings to mind an event that occurred during the earthworks operation that preceded the construction of Tesco off Southampton Road.

I recall that the earthmoving contractor used the field south of the A36 off what is known locally as the Tesco roundabout to temporarily stockpile surplus material so that it could then be carted away in one operation.

This was stopped by the then council, shortly after the stockpiling had commenced, as it was considered that it would prejudice the flood plain, and the contractor was ordered to remove the material immediately.

I hope that when those in power consider any planning application that would result in a permanent construction covering a very large area of the flood plain with an impermeable layer, they will bear this in mind.

PA CHARTER, Salisbury

To provide one answer to Jacqueline Exley (Postbag, January 9) and to Annie Riddle (SJOpinion, January 9) to the question; why another supermarket on Southampton Road?

It’s because retail businesses – especially those occupying similar positions in the market – like to get together. It’s good for trade; the competition brings in the customers. Look at the number of tyre and exhaust garages on the same road.

So when the Sainsbury’s developers say ‘it’s the only site available…’, they mean ‘… for the levels of turnover and profit we seek to make’.

If it’s not commercially viable they won’t build, whatever other sites in the area may seem more sensible or be physically available.

We can be quite sure they’ve done their homework on this one.

JEREMY COURT, Salisbury

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6:35pm Sun 19 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

We only have to look at the proposed site under water at the moment to confirm that this scheme is complete insanity. Why can't the developers and the council see the water?
We only have to look at the proposed site under water at the moment to confirm that this scheme is complete insanity. Why can't the developers and the council see the water? karlmarx
  • Score: 9

6:50pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Schoolmum999 says...

Sainsburys should be ashamed of proceeding with this ridiculous plan. Has there been a planning application yet? If so, I would like to formally object. We (Salisbury residents) do not need another supermarket on Southampton Road. We do however need a supermarket on the other side of town and I can think of two perfect sites.
Sainsburys should be ashamed of proceeding with this ridiculous plan. Has there been a planning application yet? If so, I would like to formally object. We (Salisbury residents) do not need another supermarket on Southampton Road. We do however need a supermarket on the other side of town and I can think of two perfect sites. Schoolmum999
  • Score: 9

11:55am Mon 20 Jan 14

Harnhamite says...

Sadly this is likely to be approved because the planning controls have been so diluted local common sense will count for nothing and big bucks Sainsbury will be able to force this through whatever we yokels say. Note their nonsensical idea for underground tanks that they can empty into the river (and cheerfully flood someone else).
Sadly this is likely to be approved because the planning controls have been so diluted local common sense will count for nothing and big bucks Sainsbury will be able to force this through whatever we yokels say. Note their nonsensical idea for underground tanks that they can empty into the river (and cheerfully flood someone else). Harnhamite
  • Score: 8

9:07pm Mon 20 Jan 14

FreeBornJohn says...

I'm looking forward to canoeing around the aisles.
I'm looking forward to canoeing around the aisles. FreeBornJohn
  • Score: 4

8:40pm Tue 21 Jan 14

journalist1 says...

I, too, fear that whatever our local planners say, once this goes higher up the chain of command, Sainsbury's will get their way.
I, too, fear that whatever our local planners say, once this goes higher up the chain of command, Sainsbury's will get their way. journalist1
  • Score: 6

5:55am Wed 22 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

journalist1 wrote:
I, too, fear that whatever our local planners say, once this goes higher up the chain of command, Sainsbury's will get their way.
But why would Sainsburys want an amphibious store? Who will use it, ducks?
[quote][p][bold]journalist1[/bold] wrote: I, too, fear that whatever our local planners say, once this goes higher up the chain of command, Sainsbury's will get their way.[/p][/quote]But why would Sainsburys want an amphibious store? Who will use it, ducks? karlmarx
  • Score: 3

10:39am Wed 22 Jan 14

journalist1 says...

Well Karl, maybe some other supermarkets have bought up all the other land options? They do that just to keep their rivals out. And Sainsbury's will face even greater competition in town now that Tesco's got permission to redevelop. They've got no room to expand at the Maltings in its present form and I haven't heard anything about the Vision, aka Wiltshire, wanting to include a bigger supermarket in their redevelopment scheme ....
What would make it really interesting would be if Morrisons pursued their interest in the Old Manor site .... unless of course the police have beaten them to it! Interesting times.
Well Karl, maybe some other supermarkets have bought up all the other land options? They do that just to keep their rivals out. And Sainsbury's will face even greater competition in town now that Tesco's got permission to redevelop. They've got no room to expand at the Maltings in its present form and I haven't heard anything about the Vision, aka Wiltshire, wanting to include a bigger supermarket in their redevelopment scheme .... What would make it really interesting would be if Morrisons pursued their interest in the Old Manor site .... unless of course the police have beaten them to it! Interesting times. journalist1
  • Score: 4

2:51pm Wed 22 Jan 14

doppelganger says...

What the developers do not take in to account is all the additional traffic that will be added to the A36/ Southampton Road if Sainsburys is built and which would not happen if the store was built near to the new housing. One would assume that the proposed changes to the road might not be necessary!
We simply cannot allow the decision to be waived through and have to fight this when the full planning application is submitted. Bearing in mind how flooded the proposed field is some weeks after the first floods, I wonder how big the underground water storage tanks would have to be to cope with the amount of water??!!
One wit I know said that when the Sainsbury car park floods, the customers can walk across the road and park at Tesco instead!!!!!
What the developers do not take in to account is all the additional traffic that will be added to the A36/ Southampton Road if Sainsburys is built and which would not happen if the store was built near to the new housing. One would assume that the proposed changes to the road might not be necessary! We simply cannot allow the decision to be waived through and have to fight this when the full planning application is submitted. Bearing in mind how flooded the proposed field is some weeks after the first floods, I wonder how big the underground water storage tanks would have to be to cope with the amount of water??!! One wit I know said that when the Sainsbury car park floods, the customers can walk across the road and park at Tesco instead!!!!! doppelganger
  • Score: 5

5:12pm Thu 23 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

We can always refer Sainsbury to the fable of King Canute, maybe they have someone lined up already to play his role at the front of the store.
We can always refer Sainsbury to the fable of King Canute, maybe they have someone lined up already to play his role at the front of the store. karlmarx
  • Score: 4

6:55pm Thu 23 Jan 14

nesspah says...

A36 is Highways Agency responsibility.
River Avon is Environment Agency.
Planning Application will be Wiltshire Strategic Committee (with one councillor from Salisbury I think).

Sainsbury's experts will walk all over them. Major corporations are now effectively beyond control.
A36 is Highways Agency responsibility. River Avon is Environment Agency. Planning Application will be Wiltshire Strategic Committee (with one councillor from Salisbury I think). Sainsbury's experts will walk all over them. Major corporations are now effectively beyond control. nesspah
  • Score: 5

9:07am Fri 24 Jan 14

karlmarx says...

nesspah wrote:
A36 is Highways Agency responsibility.
River Avon is Environment Agency.
Planning Application will be Wiltshire Strategic Committee (with one councillor from Salisbury I think).

Sainsbury's experts will walk all over them. Major corporations are now effectively beyond control.
Spot on!
Money and profits always take precedent over common sense and logic, sadly.
[quote][p][bold]nesspah[/bold] wrote: A36 is Highways Agency responsibility. River Avon is Environment Agency. Planning Application will be Wiltshire Strategic Committee (with one councillor from Salisbury I think). Sainsbury's experts will walk all over them. Major corporations are now effectively beyond control.[/p][/quote]Spot on! Money and profits always take precedent over common sense and logic, sadly. karlmarx
  • Score: 2

12:21pm Mon 27 Jan 14

gingin says...

karlmarx wrote:
nesspah wrote:
A36 is Highways Agency responsibility.
River Avon is Environment Agency.
Planning Application will be Wiltshire Strategic Committee (with one councillor from Salisbury I think).

Sainsbury's experts will walk all over them. Major corporations are now effectively beyond control.
Spot on!
Money and profits always take precedent over common sense and logic, sadly.
How right you both are! If it gets rejected by our Strategic Committee then Sainsbury's agents will take the whole thing to "appeal". We all know what usually happens then!
Planning Inspector gives the go ahead!!!!! Local opinion counts for nothing with planning these days > thought Pickles wanted more local opinion to count aka localism bill. What a complete load of rubbish, localism is ok as long as it is agrees with the Tory Party otherwise don't bother.
[quote][p][bold]karlmarx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nesspah[/bold] wrote: A36 is Highways Agency responsibility. River Avon is Environment Agency. Planning Application will be Wiltshire Strategic Committee (with one councillor from Salisbury I think). Sainsbury's experts will walk all over them. Major corporations are now effectively beyond control.[/p][/quote]Spot on! Money and profits always take precedent over common sense and logic, sadly.[/p][/quote]How right you both are! If it gets rejected by our Strategic Committee then Sainsbury's agents will take the whole thing to "appeal". We all know what usually happens then! Planning Inspector gives the go ahead!!!!! Local opinion counts for nothing with planning these days > thought Pickles wanted more local opinion to count aka localism bill. What a complete load of rubbish, localism is ok as long as it is agrees with the Tory Party otherwise don't bother. gingin
  • Score: 1

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